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Re: Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Tom Blahovici
 

Well, last night I managed to get the polar alignment done.  Seems that the source of drift was the something not correct in the calibration.
Once done, I ended up with 30 arc sec in azimuth and 1 arc sec in altitude.
Should be good enough!


Problem using auto guide in Firecapture to AP1100

Endymion
 

Hi,
  I am having a problem getting Firecapture to guide my AP1100.  Firecapture V2.6.08x64 -> ASCOM6.4 -> APV2 -> APCC1.8.4.1 -> AP1100.   I can initialize the mount from Firecapture but am unable to send either the auto guide commands or manual arrow press commands to the mount.

* I am able to guide a Celestron mount from Firecapture via ASCOM.  
* I am able to guide the AP1100 from PHD2 and the manual arrow presses on AP V2 work correctly.

As anyone run into a similar issue and know how to solve it?

Thanks in advance for any help.

John


Re: Problem Getting APPM to connect to TheSkyX

CurtisC
 

Funny thing.  As a result of this discussion, I tried to look at my own APPM setup, and I found that my horizon limits and sky model have totally vanished.  When or how, I have no idea.  I groan at the idea of having set up the horizon again.  But my pointing these days is pretty darn accurate.


Re: Problem Getting APPM to connect to TheSkyX

Lee Dodge
 

Thanks Howard, George, and Ray for the help with using APPM and APCC to get a model for pointing and tracking with my AP 1100GTO mount.  After several weeks of effort, it saw "first light" last night, and with about 32 points in the model, it seemed to dramatically improve pointing accuracy.  I have not checked tracking accuracy.  Still things to learn about how to use it, but at least they are communicating TheSkyX now.  

Thanks,
Lee

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 4:32 PM Lee Dodge via groups.io <ldodge12=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Howard.  Your suggestion worked for letting me run APPM as administrator.  Sorry for my ignorance with Windows 10.

I hope to make it out to the observatory to check it out this evening.  It now does allow me to get APPM to connect to TheSkyX Pro camera, where in the past I was getting an ActiveX error at that point, so I am optimistic.  

Thanks,
Lee 

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:39 PM Howard Hedlund <howard@...> wrote:
APPM can be opened from either the button in APCC, or the Windows Programs Menu under Astro-Physics / APCC Pro /.   To run as administrator, use the link in the Windows Program menu and right click on it.  Then select Run as Administrator. 


Re: Problem Getting APPM to connect to TheSkyX

Lee Dodge
 

Thanks Howard.  Your suggestion worked for letting me run APPM as administrator.  Sorry for my ignorance with Windows 10.

I hope to make it out to the observatory to check it out this evening.  It now does allow me to get APPM to connect to TheSkyX Pro camera, where in the past I was getting an ActiveX error at that point, so I am optimistic.  

Thanks,
Lee 

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:39 PM Howard Hedlund <howard@...> wrote:
APPM can be opened from either the button in APCC, or the Windows Programs Menu under Astro-Physics / APCC Pro /.   To run as administrator, use the link in the Windows Program menu and right click on it.  Then select Run as Administrator. 


Re: Problem Getting APPM to connect to TheSkyX

Howard Hedlund
 

APPM can be opened from either the button in APCC, or the Windows Programs Menu under Astro-Physics / APCC Pro /.   To run as administrator, use the link in the Windows Program menu and right click on it.  Then select Run as Administrator. 


Problem Getting APPM to connect to TheSkyX

Lee Dodge
 

Ray Gralak (or others),
 
A fellow named Jeff Kraehnke wrote to the forum in June, 2020 with the concern that he could not get APPM to talk with TheSkyX.  He was getting an ActiveX error.  I have exactly the same problem.  
 
You said the solution was as follows:
"Usually you can fix this by running both SkyX Pro and a client application (e.g. APPM) "as administrator" and connecting APPM to SkyX's add in camera control. You can Shut both down and rerun them normally (i.e. not "as administrator") and APPM should now be able to connect."
 
Mr. Kraehnke reported that your suggestion fixed his problem.  I would like to try this on my computer, but I don't know how to run APPM as administrator.  I know how to run APCC as administrator, but I don't know how to get to APPM to run it as administrator.  I thought APPM might be a subprogram under APCC?
 
Thanks,
Lee 


Re: Best guiding practices with the Mach2 and PHD2? #Mach2GTO #Guiding

Marcelo Figueroa
 

Thank you Roland. I'll try it next time.

— 
Marcelo Figueroa


On Sep 15, 2020, at 22:23, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:

Guide with medium to low aggression. Set guide exposure between 2 - 3 seconds. Guide once every 10 seconds, or perhaps every 15 seconds, depending on how accurately your model is working. 

Rolando




Re: Best guiding practices with the Mach2 and PHD2? #Mach2GTO #Guiding

Terri Zittritsch
 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 08:15 PM, Marcelo Figueroa wrote:
My Mach2 is now working well thanks to the people at AP :-).

Marcelo, can you share what was fixed on your Mach2, maybe we can compare notes off-line.     I am theresamarie11 at gmail dot com and feel free to e-mail me.


Terri


Re: Help finding source of PE fundamentals using PemPro

Tom Blahovici
 

The 64x is not uploaded to the mount.  However, if I can tame fundamental 3 then I have much better than +-2.8
I bought the tools, now I want them to live up to their capabilities. Otherwise, what's the point?


Re: Best guiding practices with the Mach2 and PHD2? #Mach2GTO #Guiding

Roland Christen
 

Guide with medium to low aggression. Set guide exposure between 2 - 3 seconds. Guide once every 10 seconds, or perhaps every 15 seconds, depending on how accurately your model is working.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Marcelo Figueroa via groups.io <marfig1970@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2020 7:15 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Best guiding practices with the Mach2 and PHD2? #Mach2GTO #Guiding

My Mach2 is now working well thanks to the people at AP :-).

Yesterday I built my first modeling, surprisingly easy. And I know that the main goal of an encoder mount is to eliminate guiding, but I am very curious about the idea of "Nudge Guiding" posted by Roland a couple of days ago.
 
I use PHD2 with a guide scope, what would be the best practices and settings for a Mach2?
 
Thank you,


Best guiding practices with the Mach2 and PHD2? #Mach2GTO #Guiding

Marcelo Figueroa
 

My Mach2 is now working well thanks to the people at AP :-).

Yesterday I built my first modeling, surprisingly easy. And I know that the main goal of an encoder mount is to eliminate guiding, but I am very curious about the idea of "Nudge Guiding" posted by Roland a couple of days ago.
 
I use PHD2 with a guide scope, what would be the best practices and settings for a Mach2?
 
Thank you,


Re: Help finding source of PE fundamentals using PemPro

CurtisC
 

Tom, I would be delirious to achieve the PE you're reporting.  I don't understand why you're worried about the fundamental 64.


Re: Help finding source of PE fundamentals using PemPro

Tom Blahovici
 

I reached out to Howard.  He told me the 64x fundamental is part of the planetary gear train of the motors.  Only recourse is to try another motor, but it is anyone's guess if it will be better.
He is looking up the 3X fundamental to see if anything can be done.


Re: Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Ray Gralak
 

Tom,

PEMPro allows subframes and binning in Polar Alignment Wizard.

Ok, I will try this again. I'll redo the calibration.
Now it seems that all the way up here in Montreal, the sky has smoke from california. Who knows when this will be.
Just to be clear, the subframes and binning feature has been in PEMPro for over three months( June 7th 2020, v3.00.29).

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 11:47 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:


PEMPro allows subframes and binning in Polar Alignment Wizard.

Ok, I will try this again. I'll redo the calibration.
Now it seems that all the way up here in Montreal, the sky has smoke from california. Who knows when this will be.
Tom


Re: Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Roland Christen
 

Smoke won't do a thing when you are calibrating. It won't affect it.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2020 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 11:47 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:
PEMPro allows subframes and binning in Polar Alignment Wizard.
Ok, I will try this again.  I'll redo the calibration.
Now it seems that all the way up here in Montreal, the sky has smoke from california.  Who knows when this will be.
Tom


Re: Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Roland Christen
 


Would this cause such strange drifts? 
Yes, absolutely for sure. It would add periodic error from RA tracking to the drift, and would explain the up-down trajectory.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Blahovici <tom.va2fsq@...>
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Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2020 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Well there is no need for a field flattener.  The full frame of the FSQ106 is flat enough.  It's when you add an OAG. 
However, I am beginning to think maybe something else happened here.  I have been reusing my calibration from my first night.  There is a possibility that since then my camera rotator has rotated a small amount.  I remember .turning the dial by mistake instead of the focus dial.  I will need to do the calibration again.  Would this cause such strange drifts?  I would think so.
Tom


Re: Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Tom Blahovici
 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 11:47 AM, Ray Gralak wrote:
PEMPro allows subframes and binning in Polar Alignment Wizard.
Ok, I will try this again.  I'll redo the calibration.
Now it seems that all the way up here in Montreal, the sky has smoke from california.  Who knows when this will be.
Tom


Re: Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Tom Blahovici
 

Well there is no need for a field flattener.  The full frame of the FSQ106 is flat enough.  It's when you add an OAG. 
However, I am beginning to think maybe something else happened here.  I have been reusing my calibration from my first night.  There is a possibility that since then my camera rotator has rotated a small amount.  I remember .turning the dial by mistake instead of the focus dial.  I will need to do the calibration again.  Would this cause such strange drifts?  I would think so.
Tom


Re: Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

Roland Christen
 

Normally tilt does not produce coma. It simply shifts focus.
What is a CTU? Whatever it is, I don't think I want to end up there ;^))

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011@...>; main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2020 2:02 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

The camera has pretty severe tilt challenges. I have one as well and getting the field flat is a chore with a CTU.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?
 

I am now using an ASI6200 with a separate off axis guider. The stars do look comatic.
They should not look comatic unless you are not using a field flattener.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Blahovici <tom.va2fsq@...>
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Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2020 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Takes hours for me to polar align with PemPro...Suggestions for my AP600e?

// One thing that can cause a problem with the centroid measurement is an out-of-focus star. If the star has a comatic tail or is somewhat oval then the centroid will wander around with poor seeing. I have seen this many times.
 
I never had issues in the past with a STL11000. I would use the main chip in this camera.  I have the exact same location of the scope, on the same pier. I am now using an ASI6200 with a separate off axis guider. The stars do look comatic. Unfortunately I cannot use the ASI6200.  PemPro reports insufficient memory.  It really should allow sub frames to be used for the polar alignment. It doesn't.  It would seem if this is the root cause, then I am up a creek without a paddle!

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