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Re: [ap-ug] Heavenly Flower

Richard Crisp
 

I shot that image at f/9 so it was slow: 38.5hours using a kaf8300 for all three filters

“Corrected” by my iPhone

On Jul 15, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


If I get another week of clear skies I will definitely go for it.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Crisp <rdcrisp@...>
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Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2020 6:29 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] Heavenly Flower

It looks good to me

It’s a great tricolor narrowband object too

Goodly amount of sulfur & oxygen in it

This isn’t the best example but it’s one I could find quickly

Kaf8300/ap180edt s2/Ha/O3 

“Corrected” by my iPhone

On Jul 15, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


I just uploaded my heavenly Flower, the Tulip Nebula:

https://www.astrobin.com/full/9ps5cx/0/?nc=Uncarollo&real=&mod=
Full resolution crop:
https://www.astrobin.com/full/0mmr9p/0/?nc=Uncarollo&real=&mod=

7 hours for H-a over a couple of nights. 160EDF refractor mounted on the Mach2 mount, unguided, using the keypad simple modeling routine (8 points along the object path). No field flattener, just straight thru from lens to the chip.

Rolando


Re: [ap-ug] Heavenly Flower

Richard Crisp
 

It looks good to me

It’s a great tricolor narrowband object too

Goodly amount of sulfur & oxygen in it

This isn’t the best example but it’s one I could find quickly

Kaf8300/ap180edt s2/Ha/O3 

“Corrected” by my iPhone

On Jul 15, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


I just uploaded my heavenly Flower, the Tulip Nebula:

https://www.astrobin.com/full/9ps5cx/0/?nc=Uncarollo&real=&mod=
Full resolution crop:
https://www.astrobin.com/full/0mmr9p/0/?nc=Uncarollo&real=&mod=

7 hours for H-a over a couple of nights. 160EDF refractor mounted on the Mach2 mount, unguided, using the keypad simple modeling routine (8 points along the object path). No field flattener, just straight thru from lens to the chip.

Rolando


Re: [ap-ug] Heavenly Flower

Roland Christen
 

If I get another week of clear skies I will definitely go for it.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Crisp <rdcrisp@...>
To: main@ap-ug.groups.io
Cc: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 15, 2020 6:29 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-ug] Heavenly Flower

It looks good to me

It’s a great tricolor narrowband object too

Goodly amount of sulfur & oxygen in it

This isn’t the best example but it’s one I could find quickly

Kaf8300/ap180edt s2/Ha/O3 

“Corrected” by my iPhone

On Jul 15, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Roland Christen via groups.io <chris1011@...> wrote:


I just uploaded my heavenly Flower, the Tulip Nebula:

https://www.astrobin.com/full/9ps5cx/0/?nc=Uncarollo&real=&mod=
Full resolution crop:
https://www.astrobin.com/full/0mmr9p/0/?nc=Uncarollo&real=&mod=

7 hours for H-a over a couple of nights. 160EDF refractor mounted on the Mach2 mount, unguided, using the keypad simple modeling routine (8 points along the object path). No field flattener, just straight thru from lens to the chip.

Rolando


Heavenly Flower

Roland Christen
 

I just uploaded my heavenly Flower, the Tulip Nebula:

https://www.astrobin.com/full/9ps5cx/0/?nc=Uncarollo&real=&mod=
Full resolution crop:
https://www.astrobin.com/full/0mmr9p/0/?nc=Uncarollo&real=&mod=

7 hours for H-a over a couple of nights. 160EDF refractor mounted on the Mach2 mount, unguided, using the keypad simple modeling routine (8 points along the object path). No field flattener, just straight thru from lens to the chip.

Rolando


Re: Mach1 and GTOCP4 Yellow Light

Joe Zeglinski
 

Mikko,
 
    There may be “oxidized connector pins” on the RA box, and likely DEC as well. Disconnecting and reconnected the Y-cable probably cleaned them up – a bit. Maybe try a contact cleaner spray on both cable plug & socket,  to ensure longer operation, since this seems to have been the fix to the original problem.
 
Joe Z.
 
 

From: Mikko Viljamaa
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 9:42 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach1 and GTOCP4 Yellow Light
 
I never opened the Dec gearbox so I don't know what's going on there. When I first connected the Dec side of the cable to Ra and had the Ra box open, the quick rotation I explained happened. After I jiggled and pinched the visible wires inside the Ra gearbox, everything started to work. This with the correct Ra side of the cable was connected. I don't remember ever trying again with the Dec side after everything worked.

I'll redo all the testing and record them step by step when the mount malfunctions the next time. That way we know for sure. Now I have currently three nights without a problem so I don't want to stir the status quo.

Again, when I opened the Ra gearbox, I did the mentioned wire jiggle and pinch so who knows, maybe that helped.


- Mikko


Re: Mach1 and GTOCP4 Yellow Light

Mikko Viljamaa
 

I never opened the Dec gearbox so I don't know what's going on there. When I first connected the Dec side of the cable to Ra and had the Ra box open, the quick rotation I explained happened. After I jiggled and pinched the visible wires inside the Ra gearbox, everything started to work. This with the correct Ra side of the cable was connected. I don't remember ever trying again with the Dec side after everything worked.

I'll redo all the testing and record them step by step when the mount malfunctions the next time. That way we know for sure. Now I have currently three nights without a problem so I don't want to stir the status quo. 

Again, when I opened the Ra gearbox, I did the mentioned wire jiggle and pinch so who knows, maybe that helped.


- Mikko


Re: Doubt about upgrading from APCC Standard to Pro #APCC #Mach2GTO

Dominique Durand
 
Edited

Same path for me too. Mach1 + APCC-Srd to Mach2 + Std. I had the APCC-Pro key just before the delivery of the mach2, I installed APCC-Pro with APCC-Std still installed. So I have the 2 installed ... without this causing any problems ... but like that I also recovered the site parameters.

Dominique


Re: Doubt about upgrading from APCC Standard to Pro #APCC #Mach2GTO

Marcelo Figueroa
 

Thanks, I'll do it that way.


Re: Mach1 and GTOCP4 Yellow Light

Roland Christen
 


Maybe it was more, a couple of rotations. It was hard to tell as they did rotate very fast for a fraction of a second.
Just to be clear: are you saying that plugging the RA cable into the RA motor produced quick rotation and stall with yellow light? Then plugging this same RA cable into the Dec gearbox produced quick rotation of the Dec gears and stall with yellow light. Is this correct?

Then you tried this same procedure with a new cable and got exactly the same result with RA cable plugged into the RA and then the Dec gearbox as above?

Then last night your mount worked ok and you did not get a stall and yellow light?

If not, please explain exactly what are the actions.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Mikko Viljamaa <mikko.viljamaa@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Jul 14, 2020 7:19 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach1 and GTOCP4 Yellow Light

If both RA and Dec motors produce a yellow light then the mount is probably ok. It indicates that there's a loose connection between the controller and the mount gearboxes, most likely in the RA cable. Remove the cover on the cable and look for a loose wire on the pins.

Just to clarify, you are asking me to check the Y-cable, Ra side and see for loose wires or pins? This for both the old one and the new one AP shipped to me last week?
 

As far as gears rotating 180 degrees, that statement is puzzling. The gearbox has a number of gears and they all rotate at different rates, so when you say gears, which one are you referring to/ The little gear on the end of the motor shaft, the white gear, the large center gear, or the final gear on the worm shaft?


Maybe it was more, a couple of rotations. It was hard to tell as they did rotate very fast for a fraction of a second.

 
Secondly, how fast did the gear rotate? Very quickly or slowly at the sidereal rate?

See previous.


Thanks,

Mikko


Re: Mach1 and GTOCP4 Yellow Light

Mikko Viljamaa
 

If both RA and Dec motors produce a yellow light then the mount is probably ok. It indicates that there's a loose connection between the controller and the mount gearboxes, most likely in the RA cable. Remove the cover on the cable and look for a loose wire on the pins.

Just to clarify, you are asking me to check the Y-cable, Ra side and see for loose wires or pins? This for both the old one and the new one AP shipped to me last week?
 

As far as gears rotating 180 degrees, that statement is puzzling. The gearbox has a number of gears and they all rotate at different rates, so when you say gears, which one are you referring to/ The little gear on the end of the motor shaft, the white gear, the large center gear, or the final gear on the worm shaft?


Maybe it was more, a couple of rotations. It was hard to tell as they did rotate very fast for a fraction of a second.

 
Secondly, how fast did the gear rotate? Very quickly or slowly at the sidereal rate?

See previous.


Thanks,

Mikko


Re: Suddenly stars are dashes with good guiding

Konstantin von Poschinger
 

Hi Roland,

it is hard to wait till we can read the handbook and find out all the news.  ;-))

Grüsse

Konstantin 


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Hammerichstr. 5
22605 Hamburg
040/8805747
0171/1983476

Am 14.07.2020 um 01:11 schrieb uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011@...>:


It would not take anything. You could do it right now if you wished. APCC Pro has everything you need.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Worsel via groups.io <bryancashion@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Suddenly stars are dashes with good guiding

With an 1100AE, what would it take  to achieve unguided imaging?

Bryan


Re: Mach1 and GTOCP4 Yellow Light

Roland Christen
 

If both RA and Dec motors produce a yellow light then the mount is probably ok. It indicates that there's a loose connection between the controller and the mount gearboxes, most likely in the RA cable. Remove the cover on the cable and look for a loose wire on the pins.

As far as gears rotating 180 degrees, that statement is puzzling. The gearbox has a number of gears and they all rotate at different rates, so when you say gears, which one are you referring to/ The little gear on the end of the motor shaft, the white gear, the large center gear, or the final gear on the worm shaft?

Secondly, how fast did the gear rotate? Very quickly or slowly at the sidereal rate?

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Mikko Viljamaa <mikko.viljamaa@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 10:06 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach1 and GTOCP4 Yellow Light

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:56 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> wrote:
Just plug the RA cable into the Dec gearbox

This is what I did previously and the gears rotated 180 degrees and the Yellow light came on. I’ll verify this one more time but at the moment everything is working again and I don’t want to touch it as we have a rare clear nights string ahead of us and I would like to collect some data.

But I have a hard time to believe that this would be a cable issue as that would mean that the original cable AND the new one I got last week would be both faulty.


Mikko


Re: Suddenly stars are dashes with good guiding

Cheng-Yang Tan
 

Hi Mike,

   That's a great idea, but doesn't work for me. I image on the concrete sidewalk outside my house. I think as the temperature falls, the sidewalk unbuckles. That's my theory anyway. 

cytan


On Monday, July 13, 2020, 08:29:52 PM CDT, Michael Hambrick via groups.io <mike.hambrick@...> wrote:


Hi Cytan

I have seen several pictures on the forum where people have set up their tripods or piers directly on the ground. This may be OK for visual use but not for imaging. With a fully loaded mount and scope there can be well over 100 pounds of weight concentrated at  the points where the tripod or pier legs contact the ground. The only way to make sure that one of the legs does not sink into the ground is to have a solid base for them to sit on. For my portable setup I  have had good luck using 2 ft long wood or concrete posts buried in the ground (see photo). They are spot-on level, absolutely stable, and the top one is pointing towards the pole.




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Re: Mach1 and GTOCP4 Yellow Light

Mikko Viljamaa
 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:56 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> wrote:
Just plug the RA cable into the Dec gearbox

This is what I did previously and the gears rotated 180 degrees and the Yellow light came on. I’ll verify this one more time but at the moment everything is working again and I don’t want to touch it as we have a rare clear nights string ahead of us and I would like to collect some data.

But I have a hard time to believe that this would be a cable issue as that would mean that the original cable AND the new one I got last week would be both faulty.


Mikko


Re: Suddenly stars are dashes with good guiding

Michael Hambrick <mike.hambrick@...>
 

Hi Cytan

I have seen several pictures on the forum where people have set up their tripods or piers directly on the ground. This may be OK for visual use but not for imaging. With a fully loaded mount and scope there can be well over 100 pounds of weight concentrated at  the points where the tripod or pier legs contact the ground. The only way to make sure that one of the legs does not sink into the ground is to have a solid base for them to sit on. For my portable setup I  have had good luck using 2 ft long wood or concrete posts buried in the ground (see photo). They are spot-on level, absolutely stable, and the top one is pointing towards the pole.




Best Regards

Michael Hambrick
ARLANXEO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
Orange, TX 77631-2000
Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799
email: mike.hambrick@...


Re: Strange behaviour when parking

Jos� Joaqu�n P�rez Guy
 

Thanks Howard.

I' ll give you a call tomorrrow.

El lun., 13 de julio de 2020 20:34, Howard Hedlund <howard@...> escribió:

Are you using the keypad as well as the PC to control the mount?  If so, please make sure the keypad is set to Auto-connect=EXT.  For truly remote imaging, the keypad shouldn’t even be connected.

 

If the keypad is not involved, call me tomorrow (Tuesday) to discuss.

 

Mag. 7 Skies!

 

Howard Hedlund

Astro-Physics, Inc.

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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jos? Joaqu?n P?rez Guy
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 18:43
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Strange behaviour when parking

 

Dear AP, your help needed, please.

I´m running an AP1200/CP4/APCC in an automated mode with CCDAutopilot (controlling through the AP Driver of course).

Everything works perfectly, until the end of the session. The mount will park as supossed, BUT with an offset in RA of 1 hour aprox. So, for the begining of the next session I Park the mount in the park 1 position, correct the offset, unpark from park 1 and everything is ok again (until the next automated parking)

What I´m missing here?

Thanks in advance,

JJP


Re: Suddenly stars are dashes with good guiding

Roland Christen
 

With APPM the modeling is done automatically while you are having dinner.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Carlton <pselaphid@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Suddenly stars are dashes with good guiding

I actually put it off waiting for the new keypad release. Planned to do both and compare the relative efforts and results. Problem is that no matter how I plan it, I seem to barely get everything set up and ready to go by twilight, then I'm more interested in dinner than modeling, but I hear what you're saying. 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:14 PM uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
It can be very practical if you do a reasonable polar alignment. Then use APPM to develop a quick model along the path that the object takes. Would not take long, and can be done during twilight.

We will have a keypad program available soon that doesn't require plate solves and can be done during daylight.

Rolando



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Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Suddenly stars are dashes with good guiding

Others will weigh in, but modeling in APCC as I understand it, and it's on my list of things to implement. My imaging set up moves around a lot though, so I don't know how often it will be practical.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:19 PM Worsel via groups.io <bryancashion=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
With an 1100AE, what would it take  to achieve unguided imaging?

Bryan


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Re: Strange behaviour when parking

Howard Hedlund
 

Are you using the keypad as well as the PC to control the mount?  If so, please make sure the keypad is set to Auto-connect=EXT.  For truly remote imaging, the keypad shouldn’t even be connected.

 

If the keypad is not involved, call me tomorrow (Tuesday) to discuss.

 

Mag. 7 Skies!

 

Howard Hedlund

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone: 815-315-7015

www.astro-physics.com

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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jos? Joaqu?n P?rez Guy
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 18:43
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Strange behaviour when parking

 

Dear AP, your help needed, please.

I´m running an AP1200/CP4/APCC in an automated mode with CCDAutopilot (controlling through the AP Driver of course).

Everything works perfectly, until the end of the session. The mount will park as supossed, BUT with an offset in RA of 1 hour aprox. So, for the begining of the next session I Park the mount in the park 1 position, correct the offset, unpark from park 1 and everything is ok again (until the next automated parking)

What I´m missing here?

Thanks in advance,

JJP


Re: how to clear APCC/APPM model

Howard Hedlund
 

Moving the PNT file or renaming it is fine.  It’s up to how you like things organized.  However, do NOT move or rename the Settings.apcc  file or you will lose all of your other settings as well.

 

Mag. 7 Skies!

 

Howard Hedlund

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone: 815-315-7015

www.astro-physics.com

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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Worsel via groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 17:14
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] how to clear APCC/APPM model

 

Would it not be easier just to move the file to another folder, say /APPM-PNT-Backup/?  Then you do not need to worry about editing and the file could be easily moved back and restored to APPC, if necessary.

Bryan


Re: Strange behaviour when parking

Jos� Joaqu�n P�rez Guy
 

Hello Eduardo, yes. It is setted correctly in the driver.



El lun., 13 de julio de 2020 19:45, Eduardo Oliveira <eoliveira@...> escribió:
Is the time correct? I had a similar problem when my BIOS PC battery died and I had to make sure the time was updated before initializing the mount.

Regards,

Eduardo

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On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:43 PM Jos� Joaqu�n P�rez Guy <cotejardinero@...> wrote:
Dear AP, your help needed, please.

I´m running an AP1200/CP4/APCC in an automated mode with CCDAutopilot (controlling through the AP Driver of course).

Everything works perfectly, until the end of the session. The mount will park as supossed, BUT with an offset in RA of 1 hour aprox. So, for the begining of the next session I Park the mount in the park 1 position, correct the offset, unpark from park 1 and everything is ok again (until the next automated parking)

What I´m missing here?

Thanks in advance,

JJP

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