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Re: Mount lost sync

Peter Bresler
 

Thanks....will try that. The keypad could use a new cable.


Re: Mach2 User Manual

Donald Rudny
 

How about Hawai’i?  They’re considered essential here, too.

On May 8, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Lawrence Lopez <lawlopez3@...> wrote:


In NH the liquor stores are owned by state.
Thus they supply badly needed income to the state.
Good thing too, with no income tax for the state it's a bit dicey.
The towns get their funding from property tax.
This can cause financial difficulty in some towns where it is very high.

In Texas they liquor stores are non publicly traded companies.
Only state in the union with that.
They apparently have a very strong liquor lobby.
perhaps the 151  everclear is used for sterilization.]

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:20 PM Michael Hambrick via groups.io <mike.hambrick=arlanxeo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Roland

It is probably late in the game to do this, but I have often thought that with your highly skilled staff, you could have offered to fabricate some component for the ventilators or other device in the Coronavirus fight and brought everyone in to spend about half of their time on the "government work" and the other half doing their regular jobs. You are all adults there. I'll bet you could have figured out how to allow everyone to work safely.

It is really a shame that we have a bunch of bureaucrats and politicians deciding what constitutes an essential business. Although I really enjoy my single malt scotch, I am still having difficulty grasping how in Texas they decided that liquor stores were essential businesses.


Best Regards

Michael Hambrick
ARLANXEO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
Orange, TX 77631-2000
Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799
email: mike.hambrick@...


Re: Mach2 User Manual

Lawrence Lopez
 

In NH the liquor stores are owned by state.
Thus they supply badly needed income to the state.
Good thing too, with no income tax for the state it's a bit dicey.
The towns get their funding from property tax.
This can cause financial difficulty in some towns where it is very high.

In Texas they liquor stores are non publicly traded companies.
Only state in the union with that.
They apparently have a very strong liquor lobby.
perhaps the 151  everclear is used for sterilization.]

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:20 PM Michael Hambrick via groups.io <mike.hambrick=arlanxeo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Roland

It is probably late in the game to do this, but I have often thought that with your highly skilled staff, you could have offered to fabricate some component for the ventilators or other device in the Coronavirus fight and brought everyone in to spend about half of their time on the "government work" and the other half doing their regular jobs. You are all adults there. I'll bet you could have figured out how to allow everyone to work safely.

It is really a shame that we have a bunch of bureaucrats and politicians deciding what constitutes an essential business. Although I really enjoy my single malt scotch, I am still having difficulty grasping how in Texas they decided that liquor stores were essential businesses.


Best Regards

Michael Hambrick
ARLANXEO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
Orange, TX 77631-2000
Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799
email: mike.hambrick@...


Re: Mach2 User Manual

Michael Hambrick <mike.hambrick@...>
 

Roland

It is probably late in the game to do this, but I have often thought that with your highly skilled staff, you could have offered to fabricate some component for the ventilators or other device in the Coronavirus fight and brought everyone in to spend about half of their time on the "government work" and the other half doing their regular jobs. You are all adults there. I'll bet you could have figured out how to allow everyone to work safely.

It is really a shame that we have a bunch of bureaucrats and politicians deciding what constitutes an essential business. Although I really enjoy my single malt scotch, I am still having difficulty grasping how in Texas they decided that liquor stores were essential businesses.


Best Regards

Michael Hambrick
ARLANXEO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
Orange, TX 77631-2000
Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799
email: mike.hambrick@...


Re: Mount lost sync

Don Anderson
 

Peter
Sounds like more than one device is trying to send time and location data to the CP4 controller during a session. Try disconnecting either your computer or your keypad and operate with only one at a time. The clicking of the keypad may be caused by a dying keypad battery or a bad connection in the keypad, cable or plugs. That could be causing your problem. Again disconnect the keypad first and try operating with the computer (AP Ascom driver) only for awhile and see what happens.

Don Anderson


On Friday, May 8, 2020, 06:46:51 p.m. MDT, Peter Bresler via groups.io <pabresler@...> wrote:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/sx6i4x774z0jbgh/ApccZip-Peter_Bresler-2020-05-08-173804.zip?dl=0

My Mach1/GTO4 generally has been working well and trouble free, but it lost its sync a couple of times recently, meaning that the park 3 position was way off. Easy to fix, but I am wondering why it happened?  I use plate solves and syncs with SGP.

Also, the keypad, which I seldom use at all, has been clicking when I turn on the controller.


Mount lost sync

Peter Bresler
 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sx6i4x774z0jbgh/ApccZip-Peter_Bresler-2020-05-08-173804.zip?dl=0

My Mach1/GTO4 generally has been working well and trouble free, but it lost its sync a couple of times recently, meaning that the park 3 position was way off. Easy to fix, but I am wondering why it happened?  I use plate solves and syncs with SGP.

Also, the keypad, which I seldom use at all, has been clicking when I turn on the controller.


Re: which adaptor for polemaster: universal mount or adaptor for ap 900

Peter Nagy
 

Yes!! The distant images I am seeing appear to be flatter than using the prescription glasses. I really hope to stop using prescription glasses soon. I wonder if I will eventually pass an eye test at the DMV without prescription glasses. 

Peter 


Re: which adaptor for polemaster: universal mount or adaptor for ap 900

Roland Christen
 

Yes, your eyes will slowly pull themselves toward distant vision when you use reading glasses for closeup work. It's an old pilot's trick. Over time your eye's lens will slowly relax and get slightly flatter because the eye muscles are not constantly pushing inward on it to produce close focus. The inward pushing muscles are very much stronger than those that let the eye lens relax, so the tendency is for the eye to constantly get more and more myopic as you age, IF you are not using reading glasses.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Nagy <topboxman@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] which adaptor for polemaster: universal mount or adaptor for ap 900

Rolando,


Reviving an old thread.

I have been using reading glasses extensively for reading or close ups lately and my eyes seem to be improving for distance that sometimes I forget to wear prescription glasses when driving and Iately I have been noticing signs are better focused without using prescription glasses. I hope using reading glasses for close ups did the trick. I hate wearing prescription glasses especially watching TV. Watching TV without prescription glasses appear to get better. I can read closed captioning better lately. 

Thanks for the suggestion. 

Peter 


Re: Mount recommendation for TEC 180FL with FLI 16803 + FW #Mach2GTO

Roland Christen
 

I have a similar scope, an AP175, mounted on a 1600 mount in my Hawaii observatory, and it works like a dream. However, if you will not be permanently mounted, the 1100 is a great choice. Nice solid mount and portable too.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Shailesh Trivedi <strivedi@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mount recommendation for TEC 180FL with FLI 16803 + FW #Mach2GTO

Thank you, Roland. 

Which AP mount would you recommend for this work load? AP1100 or AP1600?

Shailesh


Re: which adaptor for polemaster: universal mount or adaptor for ap 900

Peter Nagy
 

Rolando,

Reviving an old thread.

I have been using reading glasses extensively for reading or close ups lately and my eyes seem to be improving for distance that sometimes I forget to wear prescription glasses when driving and Iately I have been noticing signs are better focused without using prescription glasses. I hope using reading glasses for close ups did the trick. I hate wearing prescription glasses especially watching TV. Watching TV without prescription glasses appear to get better. I can read closed captioning better lately. 

Thanks for the suggestion. 

Peter 


Re: Mount recommendation for TEC 180FL with FLI 16803 + FW #Mach2GTO

Shailesh Trivedi
 

Thank you, Roland. 

Which AP mount would you recommend for this work load? AP1100 or AP1600?

Shailesh


Re: Mount recommendation for TEC 180FL with FLI 16803 + FW #Mach2GTO

Roland Christen
 

I do not recommend that size scope on the Mach2. The 160 is fine, the 180 is pushing things.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Shailesh Trivedi <strivedi@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mount recommendation for TEC 180FL with FLI 16803 + FW #Mach2GTO

Wanted to get Roland's thoughts on the Mach2 for a TEC 180 FL + Proline FLI 16803 + FW (37lb scope + 15 lb camera gear); lenghth ~48 - 50 inches.

I am eagerly awaiting a notification after folks are back to work in AP factory/workshop. But should i order an AP1100 or AP1200 instead?

Shailesh


Re: Mach2 User Manual

 

Thank you, Roland
I know this is a difficult situation, and you're doing the best you can. 
Please don't think I'm too impatient.
Jerome


Re: Mount recommendation for TEC 180FL with FLI 16803 + FW #Mach2GTO

Shailesh Trivedi
 

Wanted to get Roland's thoughts on the Mach2 for a TEC 180 FL + Proline FLI 16803 + FW (37lb scope + 15 lb camera gear); lenghth ~48 - 50 inches.

I am eagerly awaiting a notification after folks are back to work in AP factory/workshop. But should i order an AP1100 or AP1200 instead?

Shailesh


Re: Mach2 User Manual

Roland Christen
 


I wonder why they should be more difficult to install?
They are not more difficult to install. Our "installer" is me, but I don't have the wiring harness for these since the encoder readheads were not available when our electronic technicians were working before the shutdown order. The readheads have come in since then, but nobody at the present time is assembling any of our electronics because they are home. I am in the process of getting these wire harness assemblies made, but it takes a bit of time. I'm not allowed to bring anyone in to do the work, so I have to find another solution - and I will, so please be gentle with me.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerome Allison <jallison@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 User Manual

I've been watching these posts intently for the last few months.  I've been hesitant to post, not wanting to distract the AP crew from their excellent work.  However, I find myself in much the same situation as Dean Jacobsen, having signed onto the Mach 1 list in October 2018 and later also opted for the low temperature encoders. 

I'm not particularly knowledgeable about these things, but still I wonder why they should be more difficult to install?  I would think they would be a simple drop-in replacement, having only an upgraded optical component. 

(I also wonder where I am on the list, I've been without a useable mount for a long long time.  :) 


Re: Mach2 User Manual

Dean Jacobsen
 

Jerome, if you signed on to the Mach1 list in October 2018 then you are ahead of me.  
--
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Re: Mach2 User Manual

Dean Jacobsen
 


Re: Mach2 User Manual

dvjbaja
 

  Please!  Get Dean his mount.    But not before MY Stowaway!  :-)



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io" <chris1011@...>
Date: 5/8/20 11:55 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 User Manual

You are only a few steps down from the mounts that I am assembling right now, so don't get discouragipated.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Jacobsen <deanjacobsen@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 User Manual

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 09:39 AM, uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> wrote:
For those who ordered the low temp encoders, this requires assembly that was not achieved before we were shut down and deprived of our electronic assembly personnel. I am trying to rectify that, but it has caused a delay in shipping those mounts. At the moment we are still shut down until the end of this month by order of our governor. Hopefully after the order is lifted we can resume full operation with proper safeguards for our crew. Until then, it's just myself doing final assembly and testing. Slow going, i know, but i'm persistent.
Naturally, that would include me.  Thanks for the heads up. 
 
--
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Image Gallery - http://astrophoto.net/wp/image-gallery/
Astrobin - https://www.astrobin.com/users/deanjacobsen/ 


Re: Mach2 User Manual

 

I've been watching these posts intently for the last few months.  I've been hesitant to post, not wanting to distract the AP crew from their excellent work.  However, I find myself in much the same situation as Dean Jacobsen, having signed onto the Mach 1 list in October 2018 and later also opted for the low temperature encoders. 

I'm not particularly knowledgeable about these things, but still I wonder why they should be more difficult to install?  I would think they would be a simple drop-in replacement, having only an upgraded optical component. 

(I also wonder where I am on the list, I've been without a useable mount for a long long time.  :) 


Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Bill Long
 

Could be a possible solution. I am going to see if SharpCap PA will work in the interim. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:00 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
Perhaps the notion of selecting hardware binning instead of software may
be a path forward here.

Again, this is specific to ZWO and I don't know which camera we are
talking about (vs QHY)



On 5/8/2020 10:56 AM, Dale Ghent wrote:
> A smaller data set, yes - a 15 megapixel image data set (60/4). But there are other factors here, such as where the binning is happening. If it's happening in ZWO's SDK, and hence its ASCOM driver, then that memory could still be associated with the process "owns" the instance of the object, which would be PEMpro. I believe that's how it works between Windows COM objects and their host applications, but I could be mistaken. Getting into the inner-workings of Windows resource allocation is not for the faint of heart or weak constitution.
>
> At any rate, Windows is a schizoid mess when it comes to memory limits. Although life has gotten better in recent times mainly through the clean slate of 64bit architectures, there are a lot of legacy systems within the OS that enforce or necessitate various limits being set in strange places still, and these limits were prescribed at times when large datasets, such as 60mp images, were fanciful ideas, at most. GDI+ is one of these that, in today's terms, seems paltry and insufficient and it gets harder to maneuver around. MS has implemented newer systems that avoid some of these limitations, but using them often requires complete re-writes of applications. They aren't exactly trivial, drop-in replacements.
>
>
>> On May 8, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Brian Valente <bvalente@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dale that was sort of my point - CMOS binning is different and i know ZWO at least states they handle binning in hardware.
>>
>> regardless of hardware or firmware, the net result should be a smaller file, right?
>>
>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:21 AM Dale Ghent <daleg@...> wrote:
>> Binning on CMOS is doesn't work how binning on CCDs does. CMOS binning happens in software, after the sensor is completely read out, because each pixel has its own ADC, and each ADC will have its own noise characteristics. It's how CMOS chips read out so fast compared to the line by line lumbering of a CCD. This post-readout binning is also why it's actually kind of pointless to do binning "in the camera" with CMOS chips as you can get the same effect by binning in post-product, such as by using PixInsight's IntegerResample process. You get the same results, but you're just changing where in the journey the data is being binned.
>>
>> The Sony IMX455 sensor that both of these cameras (ASI6200, QHY600) have does sport a binning function in the sensor's own firmware, however it's not utilized by QHY in their model, at least, because of inconsistent results with it and they found better results using the existing binning functions in their driver instead. I imagine ZWO would be doing something similar in their analog, or at least in their camera firmware instead of the SDK. Besides, binning here is to make the image dimensions smaller, not to make download speeds quicker (which are already quite fast when using a native camera driver.)
>>
>> As for the use of bitmaps - every image, either from a sensor or from a file off your hard drive, ends up as a bitmap in some way, shape or form when processed for display or conversion. No, bitmaps are not just a certain file format with a .BMP extension. Bitmaps are everywhere in every process, as they are just a 2D or 3D array of perl-pixel data, with the pixel data being of a particular data type (8, 16, 32bit unsigned integers, or floats). This is what data coming off a camera is, as well as what a TIFF, FITS, and XISF file are. All are bitmaps, just with different headers wrapped around that blob of binary image information. So making a dig because Ray uses the .NET Bitmap functions is a failure to understand the underpinnings of image data manipulation.
>>
>> Since my name was mentioned earlier in this thread, I will say that QHY600 and ASI6200 users who use the 32bit NINA installation will run into issues with memory, quite quickly. Due to the asynchronous nature of the application which allows for a lot of things to happen in parallel, there are often multiple copies of the image data in memory at any given moment in order to satisfy the needs of the tasks that can happen during the course of an imaging sequence. These cameras produce an image that is ca. 125MB in size, so with GDI limits and 32bit process memory limits, room to maneuver can run out real fast... much faster than with the typical 8-16 megapixel images that are more the norm when we are talking about dedicated astro cams. The color versions of these 60mp cameras are now starting to hit the rear-ends of telescopes, so it'll be interesting to see what the memory conditions are like when we're talking about live unlinked stretches that require 3x125MB data arrays instead of just 1 for a monochrome/bayered image.
>>
>> So, in short, these 60-odd megapixel whoppers took everyone by surprise in their requirements. The folks over at SGPro had issues, other apps had issues. We had issues with NINA, but luckily we decided from the start - and our start was fairly recent and so benefited from hindsight - that a 64bit offering would be on equal footing as a "classic" 32bit one, so getting relief to users who have these cameras usually meant a fairly simple cross-grade to a 64bit installation, provided their ASCOM drivers were up for the task (being compiled with AnyCPU.) Offering 64 bit analogs might work, but being able to do that depends on a few things - including whether there are any 3rd party libraries in use that do not offer 64 bit variants. It's not "easy", and it's certainly not something that can be changed overnight.
>>
>> /dale
>>
>>> On May 8, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Brian Valente <bvalente@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes I realize that may solve the problem, but you mentioned binning doesn't seem to solve the problem
>>>
>>> with a sensor that size, if binning does work, i think it supports at least bin 3 hardware so you may end up with a workable file size.
>>>
>>> I don't know how QHY does binning (cmos binning seems to work differently) so if Bill has QHY that may not help either
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:52 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
>>>> you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes
>>> It may not be just a matter of file size.  The problem is a memory allocation failure trying to download and save 3 images in memory.
>>>
>>> -Ray Gralak
>>> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfa118e158b1649dbd66108d7f379c5cd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245576636282212&amp;sdata=WPtSeumAz558Ii%2BbU5LFLRGTazh8xOXLPVLZJYPileY%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> Author of PEMPro V3:  https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfa118e158b1649dbd66108d7f379c5cd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245576636292206&amp;sdata=QSR9%2FGS10KNks8z1tLgHHPwN3yxzVtV2Nto0nBLCWWU%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfa118e158b1649dbd66108d7f379c5cd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245576636292206&amp;sdata=uo%2Bmuer8tl0JfuQcAnoJiTsVBFchvQaAkxLM0yP1FRU%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:42 AM
>>>> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>>>>
>>>> Benoit
>>>>
>>>> you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:16 AM Benoit Schillings <benoit.schillings@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.
>>>>
>>>>        -- benoit
>>>>
>>>>        On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
>>>>        >
>>>>        > Hi Brian,
>>>>        >
>>>>        > That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried
>>>> that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then
>>>> binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step
>>>> that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic
>>>> error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.
>>>>        >
>>>>        > -Ray Gralak
>>>>        > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfa118e158b1649dbd66108d7f379c5cd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245576636292206&amp;sdata=D2UqySSGE8X8BABsP0HFoHHIf%2BeyQmSVtAvpWia2Uek%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>        > Author of PEMPro V3:  https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfa118e158b1649dbd66108d7f379c5cd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245576636292206&amp;sdata=QSR9%2FGS10KNks8z1tLgHHPwN3yxzVtV2Nto0nBLCWWU%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>        > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfa118e158b1649dbd66108d7f379c5cd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245576636292206&amp;sdata=uo%2Bmuer8tl0JfuQcAnoJiTsVBFchvQaAkxLM0yP1FRU%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>        >
>>>>        >
>>>>        > > -----Original Message-----
>>>>        > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
>>>>        > > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
>>>>        > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>>>>        > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > > Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > > short term fix?
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to
>>>> approach
>>>>        > > problems especially on an open board like this.
>>>>        > >       If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working
>>>> together.
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       Best,
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       Jim
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       Get Outlook for iOS <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfa118e158b1649dbd66108d7f379c5cd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245576636292206&amp;sdata=uLr%2BNjVlWApOh%2F8mhtPU3xjTETBVjxpARNgfo2yJM0Y%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>        > > ________________________________
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2
>>>> <chris1011@...> via
>>>>        > > groups.io <chris1011@...>
>>>>        > >       Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
>>>>        > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>>>>        > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs
>>>> to
>>>>        > > another company, no?
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       Rolando
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       -----Original Message-----
>>>>        > >       From: Bill Long <bill@...>
>>>>        > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>>>>        > >       Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
>>>>        > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       Roland and Marj:  It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
>>>>        > > Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market.
>>>> Please help
>>>>        > > Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework
>>>> is not the
>>>>        > > problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the
>>>> large frames
>>>>        > > produced by the camera.
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA
>>>> with
>>>>        > > supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       -Bill
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > > ________________________________
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
>>>>        > >       Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
>>>>        > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>>>>        > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > > ________________________________
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
>>>> <groups3@...>
>>>>        > >       Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
>>>>        > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>>>>        > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I
>>>> think you
>>>>        > > are talking about.
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all
>>>> today! :-)
>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       -Ray Gralak
>>>>        > >       Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
>>>>        > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
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>>>>        > >
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>>>>        > >
>>>>        > >       > -----Original Message-----
>>>>        > >       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
>>>>        > >       > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
>>>>        > >       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>>>>        > >       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>>>>        > >       >
>>>>        > >       > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other
>>>> software
>>>>        > > that uses
>>>>        > >       > the same framework.
>>>>        > >       >
>>>>        > >       > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap
>>>> tech?
>>>>        > > Thats like 30
>>>>        > >       > years old man!
>>>>        > >       >
>>>>        > >       > ________________________________
>>>>        > >       >
>>>>        > >       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
>>>> <groups3@...>
>>>>        > >       > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
>>>>        > >       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>>>>        > >       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>>>>        > >       >
>>>>        > >       > Bill,
>>>>        > >       >
>>>>        > >       > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that
>>>> many
>>>>        > > pixels.
>>>>        > >       >
>>>>        > >       > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not
>>>> likely).
>>>>        > >       >
>>>>        > >       > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>>>>        > >       >
>>>>        > >       > -Ray Gralak
>>>>        > >       > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
>>>>        > >       > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
>>>> physics.com%2Fapcc-
>>>>        > > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
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>>>>        > >       > Author of PEMPro V3:
>>>>        > >       >
>>>>        > >
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>>>>        > >       >
>>>>        > >       > > -----Original Message-----
>>>>        > >       > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
>>>>        > >       > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
>>>>        > >       > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
>>>>        > >       > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>>>>        > >       > >
>>>>        > >       > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
>>>>        > >       > >
>>>>        > >       > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
>>>>        > >       > >
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>>>>        > >
>>>>        > > Brian
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