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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

 

Dale that was sort of my point - CMOS binning is different and i know ZWO at least states they handle binning in hardware. 

regardless of hardware or firmware, the net result should be a smaller file, right?

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:21 AM Dale Ghent <daleg@...> wrote:
Binning on CMOS is doesn't work how binning on CCDs does. CMOS binning happens in software, after the sensor is completely read out, because each pixel has its own ADC, and each ADC will have its own noise characteristics. It's how CMOS chips read out so fast compared to the line by line lumbering of a CCD. This post-readout binning is also why it's actually kind of pointless to do binning "in the camera" with CMOS chips as you can get the same effect by binning in post-product, such as by using PixInsight's IntegerResample process. You get the same results, but you're just changing where in the journey the data is being binned.

The Sony IMX455 sensor that both of these cameras (ASI6200, QHY600) have does sport a binning function in the sensor's own firmware, however it's not utilized by QHY in their model, at least, because of inconsistent results with it and they found better results using the existing binning functions in their driver instead. I imagine ZWO would be doing something similar in their analog, or at least in their camera firmware instead of the SDK. Besides, binning here is to make the image dimensions smaller, not to make download speeds quicker (which are already quite fast when using a native camera driver.)

As for the use of bitmaps - every image, either from a sensor or from a file off your hard drive, ends up as a bitmap in some way, shape or form when processed for display or conversion. No, bitmaps are not just a certain file format with a .BMP extension. Bitmaps are everywhere in every process, as they are just a 2D or 3D array of perl-pixel data, with the pixel data being of a particular data type (8, 16, 32bit unsigned integers, or floats). This is what data coming off a camera is, as well as what a TIFF, FITS, and XISF file are. All are bitmaps, just with different headers wrapped around that blob of binary image information. So making a dig because Ray uses the .NET Bitmap functions is a failure to understand the underpinnings of image data manipulation.

Since my name was mentioned earlier in this thread, I will say that QHY600 and ASI6200 users who use the 32bit NINA installation will run into issues with memory, quite quickly. Due to the asynchronous nature of the application which allows for a lot of things to happen in parallel, there are often multiple copies of the image data in memory at any given moment in order to satisfy the needs of the tasks that can happen during the course of an imaging sequence. These cameras produce an image that is ca. 125MB in size, so with GDI limits and 32bit process memory limits, room to maneuver can run out real fast... much faster than with the typical 8-16 megapixel images that are more the norm when we are talking about dedicated astro cams. The color versions of these 60mp cameras are now starting to hit the rear-ends of telescopes, so it'll be interesting to see what the memory conditions are like when we're talking about live unlinked stretches that require 3x125MB data arrays instead of just 1 for a monochrome/bayered image.

So, in short, these 60-odd megapixel whoppers took everyone by surprise in their requirements. The folks over at SGPro had issues, other apps had issues. We had issues with NINA, but luckily we decided from the start - and our start was fairly recent and so benefited from hindsight - that a 64bit offering would be on equal footing as a "classic" 32bit one, so getting relief to users who have these cameras usually meant a fairly simple cross-grade to a 64bit installation, provided their ASCOM drivers were up for the task (being compiled with AnyCPU.) Offering 64 bit analogs might work, but being able to do that depends on a few things - including whether there are any 3rd party libraries in use that do not offer 64 bit variants. It's not "easy", and it's certainly not something that can be changed overnight.

/dale

> On May 8, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Brian Valente <bvalente@...> wrote:
>
> Yes I realize that may solve the problem, but you mentioned binning doesn't seem to solve the problem
>
> with a sensor that size, if binning does work, i think it supports at least bin 3 hardware so you may end up with a workable file size.
>
> I don't know how QHY does binning (cmos binning seems to work differently) so if Bill has QHY that may not help either
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:52 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
> > you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes
>
> It may not be just a matter of file size.  The problem is a memory allocation failure trying to download and save 3 images in memory.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
> Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:42 AM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Benoit
> >
> > you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes
> >
> > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:16 AM Benoit Schillings <benoit.schillings@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >       Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.
> >
> >       -- benoit
> >
> >       On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
> >       >
> >       > Hi Brian,
> >       >
> >       > That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried
> > that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then
> > binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step
> > that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic
> > error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.
> >       >
> >       > -Ray Gralak
> >       > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
> >       > Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
> >       > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> >       >
> >       >
> >       > > -----Original Message-----
> >       > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
> >       > > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
> >       > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> >       > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >       > >
> >       > > Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
> >       > >
> >       > > short term fix?
> >       > >
> >       > > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
> >       > >
> >       > >
> >       > >       Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to
> > approach
> >       > > problems especially on an open board like this.
> >       > >       If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
> >       > >
> >       > >       Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working
> > together.
> >       > >
> >       > >       Best,
> >       > >
> >       > >       Jim
> >       > >
> >       > >       Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> >       > > ________________________________
> >       > >
> >       > >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2
> > <chris1011@...> via
> >       > > groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
> >       > >       Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
> >       > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >       > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >       > >
> >       > >       PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs
> > to
> >       > > another company, no?
> >       > >
> >       > >
> >       > >
> >       > >       Rolando
> >       > >
> >       > >
> >       > >
> >       > >
> >       > >       -----Original Message-----
> >       > >       From: Bill Long <bill@...>
> >       > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >       > >       Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
> >       > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >       > >
> >       > >
> >       > >       Roland and Marj:  It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
> >       > > Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
> >       > >
> >       > >       A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market.
> > Please help
> >       > > Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework
> > is not the
> >       > > problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the
> > large frames
> >       > > produced by the camera.
> >       > >
> >       > >       If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA
> > with
> >       > > supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
> >       > >
> >       > >       -Bill
> >       > >
> >       > >
> >       > >
> >       > > ________________________________
> >       > >
> >       > >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
> >       > >       Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> >       > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >       > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >       > >
> >       > >       Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
> >       > >
> >       > > ________________________________
> >       > >
> >       > >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
> > <groups3@...>
> >       > >       Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> >       > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >       > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >       > >
> >       > >
> >       > >       Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I
> > think you
> >       > > are talking about.
> >       > >
> >       > >       And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
> >       > >
> >       > >       Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all
> > today! :-)
> >       > >
> >       > >       -Ray Gralak
> >       > >       Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> >       > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
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> >       > >       > -----Original Message-----
> >       > >       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> >       > >       > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> >       > >       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> >       > >       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >       > >       >
> >       > >       > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other
> > software
> >       > > that uses
> >       > >       > the same framework.
> >       > >       >
> >       > >       > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap
> > tech?
> >       > > Thats like 30
> >       > >       > years old man!
> >       > >       >
> >       > >       > ________________________________
> >       > >       >
> >       > >       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
> > <groups3@...>
> >       > >       > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> >       > >       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >       > >       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >       > >       >
> >       > >       > Bill,
> >       > >       >
> >       > >       > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that
> > many
> >       > > pixels.
> >       > >       >
> >       > >       > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not
> > likely).
> >       > >       >
> >       > >       > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> >       > >       >
> >       > >       > -Ray Gralak
> >       > >       > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> >       > >       > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> > physics.com%2Fapcc-
> >       > > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
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> >       > >
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> >       > >       > > -----Original Message-----
> >       > >       > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Dale Ghent
 

Binning on CMOS is doesn't work how binning on CCDs does. CMOS binning happens in software, after the sensor is completely read out, because each pixel has its own ADC, and each ADC will have its own noise characteristics. It's how CMOS chips read out so fast compared to the line by line lumbering of a CCD. This post-readout binning is also why it's actually kind of pointless to do binning "in the camera" with CMOS chips as you can get the same effect by binning in post-product, such as by using PixInsight's IntegerResample process. You get the same results, but you're just changing where in the journey the data is being binned.

The Sony IMX455 sensor that both of these cameras (ASI6200, QHY600) have does sport a binning function in the sensor's own firmware, however it's not utilized by QHY in their model, at least, because of inconsistent results with it and they found better results using the existing binning functions in their driver instead. I imagine ZWO would be doing something similar in their analog, or at least in their camera firmware instead of the SDK. Besides, binning here is to make the image dimensions smaller, not to make download speeds quicker (which are already quite fast when using a native camera driver.)

As for the use of bitmaps - every image, either from a sensor or from a file off your hard drive, ends up as a bitmap in some way, shape or form when processed for display or conversion. No, bitmaps are not just a certain file format with a .BMP extension. Bitmaps are everywhere in every process, as they are just a 2D or 3D array of perl-pixel data, with the pixel data being of a particular data type (8, 16, 32bit unsigned integers, or floats). This is what data coming off a camera is, as well as what a TIFF, FITS, and XISF file are. All are bitmaps, just with different headers wrapped around that blob of binary image information. So making a dig because Ray uses the .NET Bitmap functions is a failure to understand the underpinnings of image data manipulation.

Since my name was mentioned earlier in this thread, I will say that QHY600 and ASI6200 users who use the 32bit NINA installation will run into issues with memory, quite quickly. Due to the asynchronous nature of the application which allows for a lot of things to happen in parallel, there are often multiple copies of the image data in memory at any given moment in order to satisfy the needs of the tasks that can happen during the course of an imaging sequence. These cameras produce an image that is ca. 125MB in size, so with GDI limits and 32bit process memory limits, room to maneuver can run out real fast... much faster than with the typical 8-16 megapixel images that are more the norm when we are talking about dedicated astro cams. The color versions of these 60mp cameras are now starting to hit the rear-ends of telescopes, so it'll be interesting to see what the memory conditions are like when we're talking about live unlinked stretches that require 3x125MB data arrays instead of just 1 for a monochrome/bayered image.

So, in short, these 60-odd megapixel whoppers took everyone by surprise in their requirements. The folks over at SGPro had issues, other apps had issues. We had issues with NINA, but luckily we decided from the start - and our start was fairly recent and so benefited from hindsight - that a 64bit offering would be on equal footing as a "classic" 32bit one, so getting relief to users who have these cameras usually meant a fairly simple cross-grade to a 64bit installation, provided their ASCOM drivers were up for the task (being compiled with AnyCPU.) Offering 64 bit analogs might work, but being able to do that depends on a few things - including whether there are any 3rd party libraries in use that do not offer 64 bit variants. It's not "easy", and it's certainly not something that can be changed overnight.

/dale

On May 8, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Brian Valente <bvalente@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes I realize that may solve the problem, but you mentioned binning doesn't seem to solve the problem

with a sensor that size, if binning does work, i think it supports at least bin 3 hardware so you may end up with a workable file size.

I don't know how QHY does binning (cmos binning seems to work differently) so if Bill has QHY that may not help either

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:52 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:
you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes
It may not be just a matter of file size. The problem is a memory allocation failure trying to download and save 3 images in memory.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:42 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Benoit

you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:16 AM Benoit Schillings <benoit.schillings@gmail.com> wrote:


Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.

-- benoit

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried
that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then
binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step
that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic
error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
> >
> > short term fix?
> >
> > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to
approach
> > problems especially on an open board like this.
> > If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
> >
> > Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working
together.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jim
> >
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> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2
<chris1011@aol.com> via
> > groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs
to
> > another company, no?
> >
> >
> >
> > Rolando
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >
> > Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
> > Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
> >
> > A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market.
Please help
> > Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework
is not the
> > problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the
large frames
> > produced by the camera.
> >
> > If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA
with
> > supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
> >
> > -Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<groups3@gralak.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >
> > Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I
think you
> > are talking about.
> >
> > And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
> >
> > Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all
today! :-)
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
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> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other
software
> > that uses
> > > the same framework.
> > >
> > > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap
tech?
> > Thats like 30
> > > years old man!
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<groups3@gralak.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that
many
> > pixels.
> > >
> > > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not
likely).
> > >
> > > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > > >
> > > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> > > >
> > > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Tyrel Smith
 

According to the manual the 6200 supports “hardware” binning up to bin 3x3, and software binning up to bin 4x4. If I’m not mistaken, I thought I read that their hardware binning is only possible using their native driver, and not ascom. I’m not sure if PemPro has camera control software support for anything that has access to the native driver at this time. My understanding is also that hardware binning is basically on-camera software binning that speeds up download time. That said, if PemPro could interface with something running the native driver, then perhaps bin 3 files coming off the camera will be small enough to work. Maybe someone could grab a bin3 file using asi cap and check the file size?

I think the ascom driver has an 8 bit raw mode as well, but I don’t know if the camera is actually compatible with this mode, so someone would need to test it for functionality, and if it actually makes a difference.

Is it possible for PemPro to respect Subframe settings in SkyX or other camera control software?


I have the QHY version arriving tomorrow, and I’ll put this at the top of my testing list. I believe it handles binning differently, with no on-camera bin support. Hard to understand from their documentation. I don’t know if the QHY ascom driver has an 8 bit raw mode.


Using a different camera for PemPro polar alignment and then mounting up my imaging camera would be a workaround, but not something I’d want to do long-term. PemPro is an integral part of my workflow, so I hope there is a reasonable solution to be found. 


Re: Mach2 User Manual

Roland Christen
 

For those who ordered the low temp encoders, this requires assembly that was not achieved before we were shut down and deprived of our electronic assembly personnel. I am trying to rectify that, but it has caused a delay in shipping those mounts. At the moment we are still shut down until the end of this month by order of our governor. Hopefully after the order is lifted we can resume full operation with proper safeguards for our crew. Until then, it's just myself doing final assembly and testing. Slow going, i know, but i'm persistent.

Roland



-----Original Message-----
From: Dominique Durand via groups.io <dom33.durand@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 10:53 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mach2 User Manual

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 05:03 PM, Dean Jacobsen wrote:
We are getting there Dominique.  ;-)  Not too long now
Thanks Dean, the wait gives me stomach cramps ... I'm in the starting_block


Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

 

Yes I realize that may solve the problem, but you mentioned binning doesn't seem to solve the problem

with a sensor that size, if binning does work, i think it supports at least bin 3 hardware so you may end up with a workable file size. 

I don't know how QHY does binning (cmos binning seems to work differently) so if Bill has QHY that may not help either

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:52 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
> you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes

It may not be just a matter of file size.  The problem is a memory allocation failure trying to download and save 3 images in memory.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:42 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Benoit
>
> you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:16 AM Benoit Schillings <benoit.schillings@...> wrote:
>
>
>       Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.
>
>       -- benoit
>
>       On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
>       >
>       > Hi Brian,
>       >
>       > That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried
> that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then
> binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step
> that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic
> error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.
>       >
>       > -Ray Gralak
>       > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
>       > Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
>       > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>       >
>       >
>       > > -----Original Message-----
>       > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
>       > > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
>       > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>       > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>       > >
>       > > Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
>       > >
>       > > short term fix?
>       > >
>       > > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>       > >
>       > >
>       > >       Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to
> approach
>       > > problems especially on an open board like this.
>       > >       If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
>       > >
>       > >       Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working
> together.
>       > >
>       > >       Best,
>       > >
>       > >       Jim
>       > >
>       > >       Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>       > > ________________________________
>       > >
>       > >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2
> <chris1011@...> via
>       > > groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
>       > >       Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
>       > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>       > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>       > >
>       > >       PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs
> to
>       > > another company, no?
>       > >
>       > >
>       > >
>       > >       Rolando
>       > >
>       > >
>       > >
>       > >
>       > >       -----Original Message-----
>       > >       From: Bill Long <bill@...>
>       > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>       > >       Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
>       > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>       > >
>       > >
>       > >       Roland and Marj:  It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
>       > > Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
>       > >
>       > >       A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market.
> Please help
>       > > Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework
> is not the
>       > > problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the
> large frames
>       > > produced by the camera.
>       > >
>       > >       If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA
> with
>       > > supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
>       > >
>       > >       -Bill
>       > >
>       > >
>       > >
>       > > ________________________________
>       > >
>       > >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
>       > >       Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
>       > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>       > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>       > >
>       > >       Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
>       > >
>       > > ________________________________
>       > >
>       > >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
> <groups3@...>
>       > >       Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
>       > >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>       > >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>       > >
>       > >
>       > >       Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I
> think you
>       > > are talking about.
>       > >
>       > >       And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
>       > >
>       > >       Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all
> today! :-)
>       > >
>       > >       -Ray Gralak
>       > >       Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
>       > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
>       > >
> pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
>       > >
> aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0
>       > > %2BA%3D&amp;reserved=0
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
>       > > physics.com%2Fapcc-
>       > >
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>       > >
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>       > > %3D&reserved=0>
>       > >       Author of PEMPro V3:
>       > >
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C
>       > >
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>       > >
> 637245148877595454&amp;sdata=KOiD8aiXzfwPp8Dq7Yz4372gHRqCkrroWnyNDyHHElw%3D&amp;reserved
>       > > =0
>       > >
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%7C01%
>       > >
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>       > >       Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
>       > >
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>       > >
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>       > >
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>       > >
>       > >
>       > >       > -----Original Message-----
>       > >       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
>       > >       > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
>       > >       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>       > >       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>       > >       >
>       > >       > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other
> software
>       > > that uses
>       > >       > the same framework.
>       > >       >
>       > >       > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap
> tech?
>       > > Thats like 30
>       > >       > years old man!
>       > >       >
>       > >       > ________________________________
>       > >       >
>       > >       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
> <groups3@...>
>       > >       > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
>       > >       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>       > >       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>       > >       >
>       > >       > Bill,
>       > >       >
>       > >       > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that
> many
>       > > pixels.
>       > >       >
>       > >       > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not
> likely).
>       > >       >
>       > >       > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>       > >       >
>       > >       > -Ray Gralak
>       > >       > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
>       > >       > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
>       > > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc->
>       > >       >
>       > >
> pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
>       > >       >
>       > >
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>       > > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
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>       > >       >
>       > >
> pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
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>       > >       > Author of PEMPro V3:
>       > >       >
>       > >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%25
>       > > 7
>       > >
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>       > >       > 0>
>       > >       > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
>       > >       >
>       > >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&amp
>       > >
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>       > >       > > -----Original Message-----
>       > >       > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
>       > >       > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
>       > >       > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
>       > >       > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>       > >       > >
>       > >       > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
>       > >       > >
>       > >       > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
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>       > > portfolio brianvalentephotography.com  <http://brianvalentephotography.com>
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Re: Mach2 User Manual

Dominique Durand
 

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 05:03 PM, Dean Jacobsen wrote:
We are getting there Dominique.  ;-)  Not too long now
Thanks Dean, the wait gives me stomach cramps ... I'm in the starting_block


Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Ray Gralak
 

you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes
It may not be just a matter of file size. The problem is a memory allocation failure trying to download and save 3 images in memory.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:42 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Benoit

you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:16 AM Benoit Schillings <benoit.schillings@gmail.com> wrote:


Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.

-- benoit

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried
that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then
binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step
that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic
error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
> >
> > short term fix?
> >
> > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to
approach
> > problems especially on an open board like this.
> > If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
> >
> > Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working
together.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2
<chris1011@aol.com> via
> > groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs
to
> > another company, no?
> >
> >
> >
> > Rolando
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >
> > Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
> > Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
> >
> > A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market.
Please help
> > Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework
is not the
> > problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the
large frames
> > produced by the camera.
> >
> > If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA
with
> > supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
> >
> > -Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<groups3@gralak.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >
> > Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I
think you
> > are talking about.
> >
> > And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
> >
> > Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all
today! :-)
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
physics.com%2Fapcc-
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > d=0>
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other
software
> > that uses
> > > the same framework.
> > >
> > > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap
tech?
> > Thats like 30
> > > years old man!
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<groups3@gralak.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that
many
> > pixels.
> > >
> > > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not
likely).
> > >
> > > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
physics.com%2Fapcc-
> > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
physics.com%2Fapcc->
> > >
> >
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> > >
> >
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> > > %3D&amp;reserved=0
> > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> > > physics.com%2Fapcc-
> > >
> >
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> > >
> >
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> > > %3D&amp;reserved=0>
> > > Author of PEMPro V3:
> > >
> >
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> > 7
> >
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> > >
> >
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> > >
> >
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> > > 0
> > >
> >
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> > 57
> > >
> >
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> > >
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> > > 0>
> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
> > >
> >
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> >
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> > >
> >
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> > >
> >
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> > > &amp;reserved=0
> > >
> >
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> > >
> >
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> > >
> >
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> > > D&amp;reserved=0>
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > > >
> > > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> > > >
> > > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian Valente
> > portfolio brianvalentephotography.com <http://brianvalentephotography.com>
> >
>
>
>
>







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Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

 

Benoit

you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:16 AM Benoit Schillings <benoit.schillings@...> wrote:
Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.

-- benoit

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
> Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
> >
> > short term fix?
> >
> > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >       Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach
> > problems especially on an open board like this.
> >       If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
> >
> >       Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.
> >
> >       Best,
> >
> >       Jim
> >
> >       Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > ________________________________
> >
> >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via
> > groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
> >       Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
> >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >       PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to
> > another company, no?
> >
> >
> >
> >       Rolando
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       -----Original Message-----
> >       From: Bill Long <bill@...>
> >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >       Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
> >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >
> >       Roland and Marj:  It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
> > Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
> >
> >       A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help
> > Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the
> > problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames
> > produced by the camera.
> >
> >       If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with
> > supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
> >
> >       -Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
> >       Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >       Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> >       Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> >       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >
> >       Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
> > are talking about.
> >
> >       And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
> >
> >       Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
> >
> >       -Ray Gralak
> >       Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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> >       Author of PEMPro V3:
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> >       Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
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> >
> >
> >       > -----Original Message-----
> >       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> >       > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> >       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> >       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >       >
> >       > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
> > that uses
> >       > the same framework.
> >       >
> >       > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
> > Thats like 30
> >       > years old man!
> >       >
> >       > ________________________________
> >       >
> >       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> >       > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> >       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >       >
> >       > Bill,
> >       >
> >       > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
> > pixels.
> >       >
> >       > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
> >       >
> >       > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> >       >
> >       > -Ray Gralak
> >       > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> >       > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->
> >       >
> > pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> >       >
> > aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> >       > %3D&amp;reserved=0
> > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> >       > physics.com%2Fapcc-
> >       >
> > pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> >       >
> > aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> >       > %3D&amp;reserved=0>
> >       > Author of PEMPro V3:
> >       >
> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%25
> > 7
> > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%257>
> >       >
> > C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> >       >
> > 37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
> >       > 0
> >       >
> > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%2
> > 57
> >       >
> > C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> >       >
> > 37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
> >       > 0>
> >       > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
> >       >
> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&amp
> > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&> ;
> >       >
> > data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
> >       >
> > %7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3D
> >       > &amp;reserved=0
> >       >
> > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&am
> >       >
> > p;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
> >       >
> > 1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3
> >       > D&amp;reserved=0>
> >       >
> >       >
> >       > > -----Original Message-----
> >       > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> >       > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> >       > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> >       > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >       > >
> >       > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >       > >
> >       > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >       > >
> >       >
> >       >
> >       >
> >       >
> >       >
> >       >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian Valente
> > portfolio brianvalentephotography.com  <http://brianvalentephotography.com>
> >
>
>
>
>





--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Benoit,

Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.
Thanks, I'll contact you offline!

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benoit Schillings
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.

-- benoit

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:

Hi Brian,

That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried that,
but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then binning
in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step that
requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic error
data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?

short term fix?

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:


Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach
problems especially on an open board like this.
If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.

Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.

Best,

Jim

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com> via
groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to
another company, no?



Rolando




-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600


Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.

A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help
Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not
the
problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large
frames
produced by the camera.

If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with
supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.

-Bill



________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.

________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600


Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
are talking about.

And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.

Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
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https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&;data=02%7C
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637245148877595454&amp;sdata=KOiD8aiXzfwPp8Dq7Yz4372gHRqCkrroWnyNDyHHElw%3D&amp;reserved
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<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%7C01%
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5462227252656&sdata=fPesqSk4kGljTCi7ASQZp1KpYoMTAFVwm1CkTqXTjzg%3D&reserved=0>
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&;d
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<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&data
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<groups3@gralak.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->
>
pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
>
aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&amp;reserved=0
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
>
pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
>
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> %3D&amp;reserved=0>
> Author of PEMPro V3:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&;data=02%25
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<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%257>
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C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
>
37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
> 0
>
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&;data=02%2
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>
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>
37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
> 0>
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&> ;
>
data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
>
%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3D
> &amp;reserved=0
>
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&am
>
p;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
>
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> D&amp;reserved=0>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>












--

Brian



Brian Valente
portfolio brianvalentephotography.com <http://brianvalentephotography.com>



Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Benoit Schillings
 

Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.

-- benoit

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:

Hi Brian,

That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?

short term fix?

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:


Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach
problems especially on an open board like this.
If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.

Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.

Best,

Jim

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com> via
groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to
another company, no?



Rolando




-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600


Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.

A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help
Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the
problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames
produced by the camera.

If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with
supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.

-Bill



________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.

________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600


Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
are talking about.

And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.

Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0
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%3D&reserved=0>
Author of PEMPro V3:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&;data=02%7C
01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C
637245148877595454&amp;sdata=KOiD8aiXzfwPp8Dq7Yz4372gHRqCkrroWnyNDyHHElw%3D&amp;reserved
=0
<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%7C01%
7C%7Ccf0c652e300e420bc57208d7f35f2251%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63724
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>












--

Brian



Brian Valente
portfolio brianvalentephotography.com <http://brianvalentephotography.com>



Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

 

is this a qhy or a zwo camera? zwo cameras hardware bin 


On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
Hi Brian,

That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
>
> short term fix?
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>
>
>       Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach
> problems especially on an open board like this.
>       If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
>
>       Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.
>
>       Best,
>
>       Jim
>
>       Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
>
>       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via
> groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
>       Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
>       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
>       PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to
> another company, no?
>
>
>
>       Rolando
>
>
>
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: Bill Long <bill@...>
>       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>       Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
>       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
>
>       Roland and Marj:  It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
> Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
>
>       A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help
> Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the
> problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames
> produced by the camera.
>
>       If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with
> supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
>
>       -Bill
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
>       Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
>       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
>       Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
>
> ________________________________
>
>       From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
>       Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
>       To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>       Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
>
>       Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
> are talking about.
>
>       And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
>
>       Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)
>
>       -Ray Gralak
>       Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
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>
>
>       > -----Original Message-----
>       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
>       > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
>       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>       >
>       > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
> that uses
>       > the same framework.
>       >
>       > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
> Thats like 30
>       > years old man!
>       >
>       > ________________________________
>       >
>       > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
>       > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
>       > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>       > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>       >
>       > Bill,
>       >
>       > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
> pixels.
>       >
>       > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>       >
>       > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>       >
>       > -Ray Gralak
>       > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
>       > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->
>       >
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>       > Author of PEMPro V3:
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>       >
>       > > -----Original Message-----
>       > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
>       > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
>       > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
>       > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>       > >
>       > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
>       > >
>       > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
>       > >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> Brian Valente
> portfolio brianvalentephotography.com  <http://brianvalentephotography.com>
>






--
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Brian Valente


Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Brian,

That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?

short term fix?

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:


Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach
problems especially on an open board like this.
If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.

Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.

Best,

Jim

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________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com> via
groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to
another company, no?



Rolando




-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600


Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.

A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help
Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the
problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames
produced by the camera.

If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with
supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.

-Bill



________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.

________________________________

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600


Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
are talking about.

And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.

Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
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Author of PEMPro V3:
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01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C
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<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%7C01%
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ata=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
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d=0>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc->
>
pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
>
aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&amp;reserved=0
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
>
pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
>
aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&amp;reserved=0>
> Author of PEMPro V3:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&;data=02%25
7
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&data=02%257>
>
C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
>
37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
> 0
>
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&;data=02%2
57
>
C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
>
37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
> 0>
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
>
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&> ;
>
data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
>
%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3D
> &amp;reserved=0
>
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&am
>
p;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
>
1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3
> D&amp;reserved=0>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>












--

Brian



Brian Valente
portfolio brianvalentephotography.com <http://brianvalentephotography.com>


Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

 

Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?

short term fix?

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach problems especially on an open board like this.
If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.

Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.

Best,

Jim


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to another company, no?

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Roland and Marj:  It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.

A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames produced by the camera.

If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.

-Bill




From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about.

And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.

Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0%2BA%3D&amp;reserved=0
Author of PEMPro V3:  https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=KOiD8aiXzfwPp8Dq7Yz4372gHRqCkrroWnyNDyHHElw%3D&amp;reserved=0
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=wImqBU4%2BMfewx%2ByEQXOwGarlGaUgaKnhpdKikU9i9Sk%3D&amp;reserved=0


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&amp;reserved=0>
> Author of PEMPro V3:
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%257
> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
> 0
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%257
> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
> 0>
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&amp;
> data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
> %7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3D
> &amp;reserved=0
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&am
> p;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
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> D&amp;reserved=0>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>






--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: Mach2 User Manual

Dean Jacobsen
 

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 01:04 AM, Dominique Durand wrote:
Happy for you that you feast with your Mach2 and I am only more impatient to receive mine.
We are getting there Dominique.  ;-)  Not too long now.
 
--
Dean Jacobsen
http://astrophoto.net/wp/ 
Image Gallery - http://astrophoto.net/wp/image-gallery/
Astrobin - https://www.astrobin.com/users/deanjacobsen/ 


Re: What are the advantages of the APCC Pro

Peter Bresler
 

I had APCC Pro...never could get a pointing model, and have been using SGP plate solves for months to locate objects. It usually works fine, and I accurately find objects. Since SGP is required for the plate solve pointing model in APCC Pro, it seemed like a duplication, but maybe there would be an advantage if unguided imaging is possible.


Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

thefamily90 Phillips
 

Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to approach problems especially on an open board like this.
If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.

Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working together.

Best,

Jim


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via groups.io <chris1011@...>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to another company, no?

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Roland and Marj:  It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.

A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames produced by the camera.

If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.

-Bill




From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about.

And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.

Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0%2BA%3D&amp;reserved=0
Author of PEMPro V3:  https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=KOiD8aiXzfwPp8Dq7Yz4372gHRqCkrroWnyNDyHHElw%3D&amp;reserved=0
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=wImqBU4%2BMfewx%2ByEQXOwGarlGaUgaKnhpdKikU9i9Sk%3D&amp;reserved=0


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
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> %3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&amp;reserved=0>
> Author of PEMPro V3:
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%257
> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
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> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%257
> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
> 0>
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&amp;
> data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
> %7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3D
> &amp;reserved=0
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&am
> p;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
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> D&amp;reserved=0>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Roland Christen
 

PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs to another company, no?

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Long <bill@...>
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Roland and Marj:  It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.

A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market. Please help Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework is not the problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the large frames produced by the camera.

If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA with supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.

-Bill




From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft. 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
 
Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you are talking about.

And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.

Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-)

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=RCUY6FJK6oDclqzNPTfUIUtY26hSnOdOq6XLvHtu0%2BA%3D&amp;reserved=0
Author of PEMPro V3:  https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=KOiD8aiXzfwPp8Dq7Yz4372gHRqCkrroWnyNDyHHElw%3D&amp;reserved=0
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce7b18d28e91e424a10f008d7f3162d22%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245148877595454&amp;sdata=wImqBU4%2BMfewx%2ByEQXOwGarlGaUgaKnhpdKikU9i9Sk%3D&amp;reserved=0


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software that uses
> the same framework.
>
> Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech? Thats like 30
> years old man!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bill,
>
> The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many pixels.
>
> It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
>
> Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
> aaa%7C1%7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=7TbKQdPBlblIyMj7LT7E7E32kEEeSGg1XMfP8JBoESs
> %3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
> physics.com%2Fapcc-
> pro&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
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> %3D&amp;reserved=0>
> Author of PEMPro V3:
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ccdware.com%2F&amp;data=02%257
> C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 37245139697681529&amp;sdata=HteSobGSbPXxPkKC6A4nthVHtkgCZZXVCxsB57tRyuA%3D&amp;reserved=
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> 0>
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&amp;
> data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1
> %7C0%7C637245139697681529&amp;sdata=rYyjwpjolpDyG5kZ%2Fq2F2yqT6eKxWaZeBCOWVQeCAzQ%3D
> &amp;reserved=0
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.siriusimaging.com%2Fapdriver&am
> p;data=02%7C01%7C%7C12f50762ffc54252cca108d7f3140a3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
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> D&amp;reserved=0>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> >
> > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Mach2 User Manual

Michael Hambrick <mike.hambrick@...>
 

How did you find out your position on the wait list ?

I am supposed to be on the wait list for a Stowaway, but I have no idea where I stand. It would be nice to know so I could do some planning.


Best Regards

Michael Hambrick
ARLANXEO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
Orange, TX 77631-2000
Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799
email: mike.hambrick@...


Re: Mach2 User Manual

Rick Socarras
 

I'm No. 20.  


Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Stuart,

That's a good suggestion and may solve the problem. It depends on how the camera's driver works. Bill said he tried binning but that didn't seem to help which might mean the somewhere a full unbinned image is being downloaded first and then binned in computer memory. I don't know as I don't have one of these cameras to test with.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stuart
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 7:08 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Ray/Bill - can one do this using a sub-frame? I know that when plate solving I can choose whether to use the
whole frame or a sub frame. In that case, the file sizes would be quite manageable. But I don't use PEMPro (yet;
looking forward to trying it tho).


Stuart Heggie
http://www.stuartheggie.com/ <http://www.stuartheggie.com>


On Fri, 8 May 2020 at 10:01, Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:


Bill,

I can't be sure because I don't have one of those cameras but this issue might not affect PEC acquisition
since only one full frame
image ever needs to be in memory at a time. From what you told me the problem with allocating the
Bitmaps doesn't occur until
PEMPro's polar alignment steps that requires three images to be in memory simultaneously. Each image
can use 60M * 4 bytes (240MB),
resulting in 720MB of memory out of the totally available GDI+ memory (1GB). Successful allocation of
those images also assumes that
the 1GB is not so fragmented that the large chunks can be allocated. If the graphics memory cannot be
allocated you will get the
error message you have reported.

Is there a possible solution? Maybe, but it may not be a quick and easy fix. It may also require purchasing
or borrowing a $5K
camera to test with. Plus, privately and publicly you seem to be demanding that I drop everything I am doing
to perform an immediate
fix for a camera that just came out that is causing an unexpected problem for which there may not be an
easy fix.

I told you privately I would look into this, but it is not likely going to be done soon and I can't promise you a
solution. If that
is not acceptable to you then I can refund the money you paid for PEMPro even though you've been using
it for years.

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
>
> Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I think you
are
> talking about.
>
> And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
>
> Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all today! :-
)
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-physics.com%2Fapcc-
>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other software
that uses
> > the same framework.
> >
> > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap tech?
Thats like
> 30
> > years old man!
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<groups3@gralak.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that many
pixels.
> >
> > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not likely).
> >
> > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
physics.com%2Fapcc-
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astro-
physics.com%2Fapcc->
> >
>
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>
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> > Author of PEMPro V3:
> >
>
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> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver:
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> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
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> > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
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> > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
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