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Re: How to Raise AP1600 Height

Jack Huerkamp
 

Thanks, George.  I will have to contact a local machine shop to see what they can come up with.

Yours truly,

Jack Huerkamp


moderated Re: Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

thefamily90 Phillips
 

I don’t agree with you Dale.you seem a bit hotheaded to me. Most physicians and Pathologists I have spoken with agree with me that the Media has overreacted, fanned the flames and has millions of people in panic mode and unnecessarily so.

Please follow the latest CDC guidelines but do not panic or let anxiety over the Coronavirus get you down.

Jim


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Dale Ghent <daleg@...>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 1:45:34 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
 
Jim, I have a habit of calling out bullshit when I see it. I'm not at all sorry that you don't take kindly to that, and I'm willing to bet that your more learned colleagues would agree. Comparing deaths to walking down stairs is flippant and unnecessary.

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:37 PM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>
> Quite right. FDR
>
> I do not have a casually dismissive attitude. I wish you would speak for yourself and NOT for me. Can you handle that request?
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Dale Ghent <daleg@...>
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 1:34:38 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>
>
> The Kirkland, WA nursing home serves as a very convenient statistic here. 120 residents and 180 employees. As of March 15, 27 deaths at the home have been attributed to sars-cov-19 in the time period since Feb. 19, less than one month ago. [1]
>
> If you saw numbers like that with the standard flu, the place would have been closed down immediately and a lot of questions would be asked. This very contained sample is an incredibly stark example of the dangers this virus poses to the elderly and infirm. Despite your credentials, your reasoning is not infallible and your casually dismissive attitude is counter to the very soberly-conveyed messages from many experienced doctors and scientists, including the messages from the director of NIAID.
>
> [1] https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiro7.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Flife-care-employees-tested-coronavirus-facility-be-cleaned%2FEYNT43G5ZBH5BKZ3MATJOVVV5A%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce60f1d2c15bd4f03790c08d7c9d1d7aa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637199775405805495&amp;sdata=fPtJQi8uei5KeCA5T6MTVl92rAGRYE2OXNfNC214m0A%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> > On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:15 PM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dale Gent.
> > You know nothing about being a Pathologist so stop telling me what I should know.
> >
> > I know this. I know that we are aware of how many people have died from the virus but we are not aware of the number of people who have been infected. So, if you say the death rate is 2% because two people have died and you know that 98 others have tested positive for the virus you might think you know what you’re talking about. My belief is that it is incurrent to think that only the 98 others who tested are positive but more like 998 others are positive and therefore the death rate is much less. We don’t know because we don’t have enough tests available to see what the infectious rate really is.
> >
> > I’m just trying to do my part to stop the hysteria. There’s nothing wrong with taking normal hygienic precautions as you would against any type influenza.
> > Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Hong Kong Flu and on and on. All have come and gone and this too shall pass.
> >
> > Mark 90 days on your calendar and I’ll be happy to discuss this with you again.
> >
> > Remember Churchill’s words:
> > “The only thing to fear is
> > FEAR itself”
> >
> > As long as no one attacks me directly again I will not comment further.
> >
> > Jim Phillips
> >
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of dvjbaja <jpgleasonid@...>
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:53:39 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >
> > I want to revisit this sentiment in 90 days, assuming I'm still alive.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...>
> > Date: 3/16/20 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >
> > I am a Pathologist and am board certified in Anatomic Pathology, Dermatopathology and Clinical Pathology which includes microbiology and virology. My opinion is not cavalier. My opinion is that the risk is being far overblown by the media. When 60,000 people die in the US every year from influenza I am not impressed so far by the lethality of the Coronavirus. I could be wrong and taking precautions is wise but this is not the Bubonic Plague.
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of David via Groups.Io <phrosty5@...>
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:28:37 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >
> > This cavalier attitude is what will kill many people, and shows your astounding lack of understanding of epidemiology.  Avoiding others is paramount right now.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yesterday more people died from falling down stairs than from Coronavirus
> >>
> >> Get Outlook for iOS
> >> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Thompson via Groups.Io <cthomp97@...>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 4:56:03 AM
> >> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >>
> >> Please be careful and don't touch anything. Carry hand sanitizer and stay away from people! You all riding the bus worries me. Take care and safe travels!
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Charles
> >>
> >> Sent from mobile device.
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >> From: "uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via Groups.Io" <chris1011@...>
> >> Date: 3/16/20 1:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
> >> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> >> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >>
> >> We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.
> >>
> >> Rolando
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...>
> >> To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >> Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
> >> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >>
> >> Thanks Marj Good advice.
> >>
> >> Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?
> >>
> >> They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.
> >>
> >> I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.
> >>
> >> Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>





moderated Re: Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

thefamily90 Phillips
 

Just for you Dale.
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From: jim phillips <thefamily90@...>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 4:22:36 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
 
I don’t agree with you Dale.you seem a bit hotheaded to me. Most physicians and Pathologists I have spoken with agree with me that the Media has overreacted, fanned the flames and has millions of people in panic mode and unnecessarily so.

Please follow the latest CDC guidelines but do not panic or let anxiety over the Coronavirus get you down.

Jim


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Dale Ghent <daleg@...>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 1:45:34 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
 
Jim, I have a habit of calling out bullshit when I see it. I'm not at all sorry that you don't take kindly to that, and I'm willing to bet that your more learned colleagues would agree. Comparing deaths to walking down stairs is flippant and unnecessary.

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:37 PM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>
> Quite right. FDR
>
> I do not have a casually dismissive attitude. I wish you would speak for yourself and NOT for me. Can you handle that request?
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Dale Ghent <daleg@...>
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 1:34:38 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>
>
> The Kirkland, WA nursing home serves as a very convenient statistic here. 120 residents and 180 employees. As of March 15, 27 deaths at the home have been attributed to sars-cov-19 in the time period since Feb. 19, less than one month ago. [1]
>
> If you saw numbers like that with the standard flu, the place would have been closed down immediately and a lot of questions would be asked. This very contained sample is an incredibly stark example of the dangers this virus poses to the elderly and infirm. Despite your credentials, your reasoning is not infallible and your casually dismissive attitude is counter to the very soberly-conveyed messages from many experienced doctors and scientists, including the messages from the director of NIAID.
>
> [1] https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiro7.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Flife-care-employees-tested-coronavirus-facility-be-cleaned%2FEYNT43G5ZBH5BKZ3MATJOVVV5A%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce60f1d2c15bd4f03790c08d7c9d1d7aa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637199775405805495&amp;sdata=fPtJQi8uei5KeCA5T6MTVl92rAGRYE2OXNfNC214m0A%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> > On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:15 PM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dale Gent.
> > You know nothing about being a Pathologist so stop telling me what I should know.
> >
> > I know this. I know that we are aware of how many people have died from the virus but we are not aware of the number of people who have been infected. So, if you say the death rate is 2% because two people have died and you know that 98 others have tested positive for the virus you might think you know what you’re talking about. My belief is that it is incurrent to think that only the 98 others who tested are positive but more like 998 others are positive and therefore the death rate is much less. We don’t know because we don’t have enough tests available to see what the infectious rate really is.
> >
> > I’m just trying to do my part to stop the hysteria. There’s nothing wrong with taking normal hygienic precautions as you would against any type influenza.
> > Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Hong Kong Flu and on and on. All have come and gone and this too shall pass.
> >
> > Mark 90 days on your calendar and I’ll be happy to discuss this with you again.
> >
> > Remember Churchill’s words:
> > “The only thing to fear is
> > FEAR itself”
> >
> > As long as no one attacks me directly again I will not comment further.
> >
> > Jim Phillips
> >
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of dvjbaja <jpgleasonid@...>
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:53:39 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >
> > I want to revisit this sentiment in 90 days, assuming I'm still alive.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...>
> > Date: 3/16/20 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >
> > I am a Pathologist and am board certified in Anatomic Pathology, Dermatopathology and Clinical Pathology which includes microbiology and virology. My opinion is not cavalier. My opinion is that the risk is being far overblown by the media. When 60,000 people die in the US every year from influenza I am not impressed so far by the lethality of the Coronavirus. I could be wrong and taking precautions is wise but this is not the Bubonic Plague.
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of David via Groups.Io <phrosty5@...>
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:28:37 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >
> > This cavalier attitude is what will kill many people, and shows your astounding lack of understanding of epidemiology.  Avoiding others is paramount right now.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yesterday more people died from falling down stairs than from Coronavirus
> >>
> >> Get Outlook for iOS
> >> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Thompson via Groups.Io <cthomp97@...>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 4:56:03 AM
> >> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >>
> >> Please be careful and don't touch anything. Carry hand sanitizer and stay away from people! You all riding the bus worries me. Take care and safe travels!
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Charles
> >>
> >> Sent from mobile device.
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >> From: "uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via Groups.Io" <chris1011@...>
> >> Date: 3/16/20 1:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
> >> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> >> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >>
> >> We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.
> >>
> >> Rolando
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...>
> >> To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> >> Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
> >> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
> >>
> >> Thanks Marj Good advice.
> >>
> >> Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?
> >>
> >> They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.
> >>
> >> I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.
> >>
> >> Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>





Re: How to Raise AP1600 Height

George
 

Jack,

 

We do not offer a pier extension for the 1600 mount’s 10” flat surface adapter (1612FSA).    

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 3:33 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] How to Raise AP1600 Height

 

I currently have an Astro-Physics Flat Surface Adapter for 1200GTO or 1600GTO Mounts attached to a 3/4" steel plate that is bolted to a dual lifting column system I made.  When extended to their maximum height and aimed toward the south, the counterweights and shaft are right at head height, and I have inadvertently walked into them in the darkness of the observatory  on far too many occasions.  I would like to raise the mount 8" to 12".  Does AP sell an extension cylinder that will drop into the flat surface adapter and that will receive the base of the AP1600 mount?  If so, I have not found it on the AP website and I would appreciate receiving the link to it.

Yours truly,

Jack Huerkamp


How to Raise AP1600 Height

Jack Huerkamp
 

I currently have an Astro-Physics Flat Surface Adapter for 1200GTO or 1600GTO Mounts attached to a 3/4" steel plate that is bolted to a dual lifting column system I made.  When extended to their maximum height and aimed toward the south, the counterweights and shaft are right at head height, and I have inadvertently walked into them in the darkness of the observatory  on far too many occasions.  I would like to raise the mount 8" to 12".  Does AP sell an extension cylinder that will drop into the flat surface adapter and that will receive the base of the AP1600 mount?  If so, I have not found it on the AP website and I would appreciate receiving the link to it.

Yours truly,

Jack Huerkamp


Re: Mach2 and APCC last night

Wayne Hixson
 

That’s what I was thinking myself!


On Mar 16, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Terri Zittritsch <theresamarie11@...> wrote:

Hi Wayne, I do.  But I've never done a test to determine just how much correction it actually does.    In other words, do a polar alignment with the correction on, and then check it again with correction turned off.   It might be an interesting experiment.


Terri


Re: APCC V1.8.0.4 Upgrade

Jack Huerkamp
 

I ran add/remove programs and the only one listed was APCC 1.8.0.4.  I removed it successfully and hopefully all files related to V1.6.0.4 were also removed.  I then downloaded V1.8.0.4 from the Astro-Physics website.  NOTE: for some reason I could not use any of the browsers on my observatory computer to do so for reasons unknown.  I returned to the house, downloaded APCC to a USB key, returned to the observatory and installed it.  I then placed APCC on the Start Menu, started it and connected my mount successfully.  For now all is fine.

Jack Huerkamp


Re: Mach2 and APCC last night

Terri Zittritsch
 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 02:44 PM, Wayne Hixson wrote:
Terri, I meant to ask if you use the refractive correction feature in PoleMaster?

 

 

Hi Wayne, yes, I usually have it on.   It might be interesting to do a test to see how much difference it makes.    In other words, do the polar alignment with the correction turned on, and then try it again with correction turned off.

After seeing that my alignment was so poor, I did a little reading on what the resolution is, and it's quite gross, so being a pixel off is big, maybe 30 arc seconds/pixel.    The other thing I notice is that looking at the alignment of the green box and red circle in precise align window, looks different than zooming in on the alignment marks on the main screen.    So this might be a source of error.  I've started using the cursor zoom feature and not looking at the precise align window and, at least anecdotally, this is getting me better alignment.

Terri


Re: Mach2 and APCC last night

 

I have used polemaster several times in an attempt to quantify differences with and without. I would call it more comparative than scientific

as near as i can tell it doesn't make a difference for me at my latitude (34deg north).

i think i would need polaris closer to the horizon for it to have an impact?

Brian

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:06 PM Terri Zittritsch <theresamarie11@...> wrote:
Hi Wayne, I do.  But I've never done a test to determine just how much correction it actually does.    In other words, do a polar alignment with the correction on, and then check it again with correction turned off.   It might be an interesting experiment.


Terri



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


Re: Mach2 and APCC last night

Wayne Hixson
 

Terri, I meant to ask if you use the refractive correction feature in PoleMaster?


moderated Re: Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Dale Ghent
 

Jim, I have a habit of calling out bullshit when I see it. I'm not at all sorry that you don't take kindly to that, and I'm willing to bet that your more learned colleagues would agree. Comparing deaths to walking down stairs is flippant and unnecessary.

On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:37 PM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quite right. FDR

I do not have a casually dismissive attitude. I wish you would speak for yourself and NOT for me. Can you handle that request?

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Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 1:34:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature


The Kirkland, WA nursing home serves as a very convenient statistic here. 120 residents and 180 employees. As of March 15, 27 deaths at the home have been attributed to sars-cov-19 in the time period since Feb. 19, less than one month ago. [1]

If you saw numbers like that with the standard flu, the place would have been closed down immediately and a lot of questions would be asked. This very contained sample is an incredibly stark example of the dangers this virus poses to the elderly and infirm. Despite your credentials, your reasoning is not infallible and your casually dismissive attitude is counter to the very soberly-conveyed messages from many experienced doctors and scientists, including the messages from the director of NIAID.

[1] https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiro7.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Flife-care-employees-tested-coronavirus-facility-be-cleaned%2FEYNT43G5ZBH5BKZ3MATJOVVV5A%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca54b687bb9ac422af69208d7c9d05137%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637199768855740979&amp;sdata=vbCYfDEyB1%2B4teBAe1Nxql%2Bw0AC6anp4nyS8HpWKxsg%3D&amp;reserved=0

On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:15 PM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dale Gent.
You know nothing about being a Pathologist so stop telling me what I should know.

I know this. I know that we are aware of how many people have died from the virus but we are not aware of the number of people who have been infected. So, if you say the death rate is 2% because two people have died and you know that 98 others have tested positive for the virus you might think you know what you’re talking about. My belief is that it is incurrent to think that only the 98 others who tested are positive but more like 998 others are positive and therefore the death rate is much less. We don’t know because we don’t have enough tests available to see what the infectious rate really is.

I’m just trying to do my part to stop the hysteria. There’s nothing wrong with taking normal hygienic precautions as you would against any type influenza.
Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Hong Kong Flu and on and on. All have come and gone and this too shall pass.

Mark 90 days on your calendar and I’ll be happy to discuss this with you again.

Remember Churchill’s words:
“The only thing to fear is
FEAR itself”

As long as no one attacks me directly again I will not comment further.

Jim Phillips


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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of dvjbaja <jpgleasonid@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:53:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

I want to revisit this sentiment in 90 days, assuming I'm still alive.



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com>
Date: 3/16/20 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

I am a Pathologist and am board certified in Anatomic Pathology, Dermatopathology and Clinical Pathology which includes microbiology and virology. My opinion is not cavalier. My opinion is that the risk is being far overblown by the media. When 60,000 people die in the US every year from influenza I am not impressed so far by the lethality of the Coronavirus. I could be wrong and taking precautions is wise but this is not the Bubonic Plague.

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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of David via Groups.Io <phrosty5=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:28:37 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

This cavalier attitude is what will kill many people, and shows your astounding lack of understanding of epidemiology. Avoiding others is paramount right now.



On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:

Yesterday more people died from falling down stairs than from Coronavirus

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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Thompson via Groups.Io <cthomp97=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 4:56:03 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Please be careful and don't touch anything. Carry hand sanitizer and stay away from people! You all riding the bus worries me. Take care and safe travels!


Thanks,
Charles

Sent from mobile device.


-------- Original message --------
From: "uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com> via Groups.Io" <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Date: 3/16/20 1:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@gmail.com>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Thanks Marj Good advice.

Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?

They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.

I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.

Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.




moderated Re: Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

thefamily90 Phillips
 

I am done.

Jim
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From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Valente <bvalente@...>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 1:40:43 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
 
Guys

respectfully is it possible you can take this conversation offline if you want to continue?

seems quite far off topic

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:37 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
Quite right. FDR

I do not have a casually dismissive attitude. I wish you would speak for yourself and NOT for me. Can you handle that request?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Dale Ghent <daleg@...>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 1:34:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
 

The Kirkland, WA nursing home serves as a very convenient statistic here. 120 residents and 180 employees. As of March 15, 27 deaths at the home have been attributed to sars-cov-19 in the time period since Feb. 19, less than one month ago. [1]

If you saw numbers like that with the standard flu, the place would have been closed down immediately and a lot of questions would be asked. This very contained sample is an incredibly stark example of the dangers this virus poses to the elderly and infirm. Despite your credentials, your reasoning is not infallible and your casually dismissive attitude is counter to the very soberly-conveyed messages from many experienced doctors and scientists, including the messages from the director of NIAID.

[1] https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiro7.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Flife-care-employees-tested-coronavirus-facility-be-cleaned%2FEYNT43G5ZBH5BKZ3MATJOVVV5A%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca54b687bb9ac422af69208d7c9d05137%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637199768855740979&amp;sdata=vbCYfDEyB1%2B4teBAe1Nxql%2Bw0AC6anp4nyS8HpWKxsg%3D&amp;reserved=0

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:15 PM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>
> Dale Gent.
> You know nothing about being a Pathologist so stop telling me what I should know.
>
> I know this. I know that we are aware of how many people have died from the virus but we are not aware of the number of people who have been infected. So, if you say the death rate is 2% because two people have died and you know that 98 others have tested positive for the virus you might think you know what you’re talking about. My belief is that it is incurrent to think that only the 98 others who tested are positive but more like 998 others are positive and therefore the death rate is much less. We don’t know because we don’t have enough tests available to see what the infectious rate really is.
>
> I’m just trying to do my part to stop the hysteria. There’s nothing wrong with taking normal hygienic precautions as you would against any type influenza.
> Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Hong Kong Flu and on and on. All have come and gone and this too shall pass.
>
> Mark 90 days on your calendar and I’ll be happy to discuss this with you again.
>
> Remember Churchill’s words:
> “The only thing to fear is
> FEAR itself”
>
> As long as no one attacks me directly again I will not comment further.
>
> Jim Phillips
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of dvjbaja <jpgleasonid@...>
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:53:39 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>
> I want to revisit this sentiment in 90 days, assuming I'm still alive.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...>
> Date: 3/16/20 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>
> I am a Pathologist and am board certified in Anatomic Pathology, Dermatopathology and Clinical Pathology which includes microbiology and virology. My opinion is not cavalier. My opinion is that the risk is being far overblown by the media. When 60,000 people die in the US every year from influenza I am not impressed so far by the lethality of the Coronavirus. I could be wrong and taking precautions is wise but this is not the Bubonic Plague.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of David via Groups.Io <phrosty5=yahoo.com@groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:28:37 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>
> This cavalier attitude is what will kill many people, and shows your astounding lack of understanding of epidemiology.  Avoiding others is paramount right now.
>
>
>
>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday more people died from falling down stairs than from Coronavirus
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Thompson via Groups.Io <cthomp97=yahoo.com@groups.io>
>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 4:56:03 AM
>> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>>
>> Please be careful and don't touch anything. Carry hand sanitizer and stay away from people! You all riding the bus worries me. Take care and safe travels!
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Charles
>>
>> Sent from mobile device.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: "uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via Groups.Io" <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
>> Date: 3/16/20 1:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>>
>> We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.
>>
>> Rolando
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...>
>> To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>> Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
>> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>>
>> Thanks Marj Good advice.
>>
>> Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?
>>
>> They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.
>>
>> I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.
>>
>> Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.
>
>






--
Brian 



Brian Valente


moderated Re: Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

 

Guys

respectfully is it possible you can take this conversation offline if you want to continue?

seems quite far off topic

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:37 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
Quite right. FDR

I do not have a casually dismissive attitude. I wish you would speak for yourself and NOT for me. Can you handle that request?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Dale Ghent <daleg@...>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 1:34:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
 

The Kirkland, WA nursing home serves as a very convenient statistic here. 120 residents and 180 employees. As of March 15, 27 deaths at the home have been attributed to sars-cov-19 in the time period since Feb. 19, less than one month ago. [1]

If you saw numbers like that with the standard flu, the place would have been closed down immediately and a lot of questions would be asked. This very contained sample is an incredibly stark example of the dangers this virus poses to the elderly and infirm. Despite your credentials, your reasoning is not infallible and your casually dismissive attitude is counter to the very soberly-conveyed messages from many experienced doctors and scientists, including the messages from the director of NIAID.

[1] https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiro7.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Flife-care-employees-tested-coronavirus-facility-be-cleaned%2FEYNT43G5ZBH5BKZ3MATJOVVV5A%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca54b687bb9ac422af69208d7c9d05137%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637199768855740979&amp;sdata=vbCYfDEyB1%2B4teBAe1Nxql%2Bw0AC6anp4nyS8HpWKxsg%3D&amp;reserved=0

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:15 PM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>
> Dale Gent.
> You know nothing about being a Pathologist so stop telling me what I should know.
>
> I know this. I know that we are aware of how many people have died from the virus but we are not aware of the number of people who have been infected. So, if you say the death rate is 2% because two people have died and you know that 98 others have tested positive for the virus you might think you know what you’re talking about. My belief is that it is incurrent to think that only the 98 others who tested are positive but more like 998 others are positive and therefore the death rate is much less. We don’t know because we don’t have enough tests available to see what the infectious rate really is.
>
> I’m just trying to do my part to stop the hysteria. There’s nothing wrong with taking normal hygienic precautions as you would against any type influenza.
> Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Hong Kong Flu and on and on. All have come and gone and this too shall pass.
>
> Mark 90 days on your calendar and I’ll be happy to discuss this with you again.
>
> Remember Churchill’s words:
> “The only thing to fear is
> FEAR itself”
>
> As long as no one attacks me directly again I will not comment further.
>
> Jim Phillips
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of dvjbaja <jpgleasonid@...>
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:53:39 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>
> I want to revisit this sentiment in 90 days, assuming I'm still alive.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...>
> Date: 3/16/20 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>
> I am a Pathologist and am board certified in Anatomic Pathology, Dermatopathology and Clinical Pathology which includes microbiology and virology. My opinion is not cavalier. My opinion is that the risk is being far overblown by the media. When 60,000 people die in the US every year from influenza I am not impressed so far by the lethality of the Coronavirus. I could be wrong and taking precautions is wise but this is not the Bubonic Plague.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of David via Groups.Io <phrosty5=yahoo.com@groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:28:37 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>
> This cavalier attitude is what will kill many people, and shows your astounding lack of understanding of epidemiology.  Avoiding others is paramount right now.
>
>
>
>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday more people died from falling down stairs than from Coronavirus
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Thompson via Groups.Io <cthomp97=yahoo.com@groups.io>
>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 4:56:03 AM
>> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>>
>> Please be careful and don't touch anything. Carry hand sanitizer and stay away from people! You all riding the bus worries me. Take care and safe travels!
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Charles
>>
>> Sent from mobile device.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: "uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via Groups.Io" <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
>> Date: 3/16/20 1:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>>
>> We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.
>>
>> Rolando
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...>
>> To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>> Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
>> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>>
>> Thanks Marj Good advice.
>>
>> Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?
>>
>> They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.
>>
>> I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.
>>
>> Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.
>
>






--
Brian 



Brian Valente


moderated Re: Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

thefamily90 Phillips
 

Quite right. FDR

I do not have a casually dismissive attitude. I wish you would speak for yourself and NOT for me. Can you handle that request?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Dale Ghent <daleg@...>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 1:34:38 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
 

The Kirkland, WA nursing home serves as a very convenient statistic here. 120 residents and 180 employees. As of March 15, 27 deaths at the home have been attributed to sars-cov-19 in the time period since Feb. 19, less than one month ago. [1]

If you saw numbers like that with the standard flu, the place would have been closed down immediately and a lot of questions would be asked. This very contained sample is an incredibly stark example of the dangers this virus poses to the elderly and infirm. Despite your credentials, your reasoning is not infallible and your casually dismissive attitude is counter to the very soberly-conveyed messages from many experienced doctors and scientists, including the messages from the director of NIAID.

[1] https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiro7.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Flife-care-employees-tested-coronavirus-facility-be-cleaned%2FEYNT43G5ZBH5BKZ3MATJOVVV5A%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca54b687bb9ac422af69208d7c9d05137%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637199768855740979&amp;sdata=vbCYfDEyB1%2B4teBAe1Nxql%2Bw0AC6anp4nyS8HpWKxsg%3D&amp;reserved=0

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:15 PM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>
> Dale Gent.
> You know nothing about being a Pathologist so stop telling me what I should know.
>
> I know this. I know that we are aware of how many people have died from the virus but we are not aware of the number of people who have been infected. So, if you say the death rate is 2% because two people have died and you know that 98 others have tested positive for the virus you might think you know what you’re talking about. My belief is that it is incurrent to think that only the 98 others who tested are positive but more like 998 others are positive and therefore the death rate is much less. We don’t know because we don’t have enough tests available to see what the infectious rate really is.
>
> I’m just trying to do my part to stop the hysteria. There’s nothing wrong with taking normal hygienic precautions as you would against any type influenza.
> Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Hong Kong Flu and on and on. All have come and gone and this too shall pass.
>
> Mark 90 days on your calendar and I’ll be happy to discuss this with you again.
>
> Remember Churchill’s words:
> “The only thing to fear is
> FEAR itself”
>
> As long as no one attacks me directly again I will not comment further.
>
> Jim Phillips
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of dvjbaja <jpgleasonid@...>
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:53:39 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>
> I want to revisit this sentiment in 90 days, assuming I'm still alive.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...>
> Date: 3/16/20 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>
> I am a Pathologist and am board certified in Anatomic Pathology, Dermatopathology and Clinical Pathology which includes microbiology and virology. My opinion is not cavalier. My opinion is that the risk is being far overblown by the media. When 60,000 people die in the US every year from influenza I am not impressed so far by the lethality of the Coronavirus. I could be wrong and taking precautions is wise but this is not the Bubonic Plague.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of David via Groups.Io <phrosty5@...>
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:28:37 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>
> This cavalier attitude is what will kill many people, and shows your astounding lack of understanding of epidemiology.  Avoiding others is paramount right now.
>
>
>
>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday more people died from falling down stairs than from Coronavirus
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Thompson via Groups.Io <cthomp97@...>
>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 4:56:03 AM
>> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>>
>> Please be careful and don't touch anything. Carry hand sanitizer and stay away from people! You all riding the bus worries me. Take care and safe travels!
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Charles
>>
>> Sent from mobile device.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: "uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via Groups.Io" <chris1011@...>
>> Date: 3/16/20 1:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>>
>> We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.
>>
>> Rolando
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...>
>> To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
>> Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
>> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
>>
>> Thanks Marj Good advice.
>>
>> Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?
>>
>> They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.
>>
>> I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.
>>
>> Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.
>
>





moderated Re: Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Dale Ghent
 

The Kirkland, WA nursing home serves as a very convenient statistic here. 120 residents and 180 employees. As of March 15, 27 deaths at the home have been attributed to sars-cov-19 in the time period since Feb. 19, less than one month ago. [1]

If you saw numbers like that with the standard flu, the place would have been closed down immediately and a lot of questions would be asked. This very contained sample is an incredibly stark example of the dangers this virus poses to the elderly and infirm. Despite your credentials, your reasoning is not infallible and your casually dismissive attitude is counter to the very soberly-conveyed messages from many experienced doctors and scientists, including the messages from the director of NIAID.

[1] https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/life-care-employees-tested-coronavirus-facility-be-cleaned/EYNT43G5ZBH5BKZ3MATJOVVV5A/

On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:15 PM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dale Gent.
You know nothing about being a Pathologist so stop telling me what I should know.

I know this. I know that we are aware of how many people have died from the virus but we are not aware of the number of people who have been infected. So, if you say the death rate is 2% because two people have died and you know that 98 others have tested positive for the virus you might think you know what you’re talking about. My belief is that it is incurrent to think that only the 98 others who tested are positive but more like 998 others are positive and therefore the death rate is much less. We don’t know because we don’t have enough tests available to see what the infectious rate really is.

I’m just trying to do my part to stop the hysteria. There’s nothing wrong with taking normal hygienic precautions as you would against any type influenza.
Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Hong Kong Flu and on and on. All have come and gone and this too shall pass.

Mark 90 days on your calendar and I’ll be happy to discuss this with you again.

Remember Churchill’s words:
“The only thing to fear is
FEAR itself”

As long as no one attacks me directly again I will not comment further.

Jim Phillips


Get Outlook for iOS
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of dvjbaja <jpgleasonid@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:53:39 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

I want to revisit this sentiment in 90 days, assuming I'm still alive.



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com>
Date: 3/16/20 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

I am a Pathologist and am board certified in Anatomic Pathology, Dermatopathology and Clinical Pathology which includes microbiology and virology. My opinion is not cavalier. My opinion is that the risk is being far overblown by the media. When 60,000 people die in the US every year from influenza I am not impressed so far by the lethality of the Coronavirus. I could be wrong and taking precautions is wise but this is not the Bubonic Plague.

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This cavalier attitude is what will kill many people, and shows your astounding lack of understanding of epidemiology. Avoiding others is paramount right now.



On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:

Yesterday more people died from falling down stairs than from Coronavirus

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Please be careful and don't touch anything. Carry hand sanitizer and stay away from people! You all riding the bus worries me. Take care and safe travels!


Thanks,
Charles

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Date: 3/16/20 1:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
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We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.

Rolando


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From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Thanks Marj Good advice.

Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?

They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.

I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.

Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.


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Worsel
 

Jim

The sentiment is good, but that was FDR at inaguration

Bryan


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George and Ray,

Thanks.  I will give this a try and report back

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thefamily90 Phillips
 

Dale Gent.
You know nothing about being a Pathologist so stop telling me what I should know.

I know this. I know that we are aware of how many people have died from the virus but we are not aware of the number of people who have been infected. So, if you say the death rate is 2% because two people have died and you know that 98 others have tested positive for the virus you might think you know what you’re talking about. My belief is that it is incurrent to think that only the 98 others who tested are positive but more like 998 others are positive and therefore the death rate is much less. We don’t know because we don’t have enough tests available to see what the infectious rate really is.

I’m just trying to do my part to stop the hysteria. There’s nothing wrong with taking normal hygienic precautions as you would against any type influenza.
Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Hong Kong Flu and on and on. All have come and gone and this too shall pass.

Mark 90 days on your calendar and I’ll be happy to discuss this with you again.

Remember Churchill’s words:
“The only thing to fear is
FEAR itself”

As long as no one attacks me directly again I will not comment further.

Jim Phillips



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I want to revisit this sentiment in 90 days, assuming I'm still alive.  



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From: thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...>
Date: 3/16/20 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

I am a Pathologist and am board certified in Anatomic Pathology, Dermatopathology and Clinical Pathology which includes microbiology and virology. My opinion is not cavalier. My opinion is that the risk is being far overblown by the media. When 60,000 people die in the US every year from influenza I am not impressed so far by the lethality of the Coronavirus. I could be wrong and taking precautions is wise but this is not the Bubonic Plague.


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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
 
This cavalier attitude is what will kill many people, and shows your astounding lack of understanding of epidemiology.  Avoiding others is paramount right now.  



On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:

Yesterday more people died from falling down stairs than from Coronavirus


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To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
 
Please be careful and don't touch anything. Carry hand sanitizer and stay away from people! You all riding the bus worries me. Take care and safe travels!


Thanks,
Charles

Sent from mobile device.


-------- Original message --------
From: "uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via Groups.Io" <chris1011@...>
Date: 3/16/20 1:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.
 
Rolando
 
 
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Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Thanks Marj Good advice.

Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?

They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.

I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.
 
Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.


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dvjbaja
 

I want to revisit this sentiment in 90 days, assuming I'm still alive.  



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From: thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...>
Date: 3/16/20 9:44 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

I am a Pathologist and am board certified in Anatomic Pathology, Dermatopathology and Clinical Pathology which includes microbiology and virology. My opinion is not cavalier. My opinion is that the risk is being far overblown by the media. When 60,000 people die in the US every year from influenza I am not impressed so far by the lethality of the Coronavirus. I could be wrong and taking precautions is wise but this is not the Bubonic Plague.


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Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 12:28:37 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
 
This cavalier attitude is what will kill many people, and shows your astounding lack of understanding of epidemiology.  Avoiding others is paramount right now.  



On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@...> wrote:

Yesterday more people died from falling down stairs than from Coronavirus


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Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 4:56:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature
 
Please be careful and don't touch anything. Carry hand sanitizer and stay away from people! You all riding the bus worries me. Take care and safe travels!


Thanks,
Charles

Sent from mobile device.


-------- Original message --------
From: "uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via Groups.Io" <chris1011@...>
Date: 3/16/20 1:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.
 
Rolando
 
 
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To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Thanks Marj Good advice.

Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?

They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.

I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.
 
Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.


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Dale Ghent
 

Being a pathologist, you would also recognize that the bubonic plague and its death rate happened when science, personal health, and healthcare systems were more than just a bit less than the calibre we enjoy today.

Being a pathologist, you would also recognize that certain populations are more susceptible than others, and thus the effects and their severity are not linear across the entire population. One young, otherwise healthy person with mild symptoms or presents asymptomatic can still expose someone else who will have great difficulty and need medical care.

Being a pathologist, you would also know that there is no really good way to quantify whether one did too much to stop the spread of infection... but you will know if you did too little.

On Mar 16, 2020, at 12:44 PM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:

I am a Pathologist and am board certified in Anatomic Pathology, Dermatopathology and Clinical Pathology which includes microbiology and virology. My opinion is not cavalier. My opinion is that the risk is being far overblown by the media. When 60,000 people die in the US every year from influenza I am not impressed so far by the lethality of the Coronavirus. I could be wrong and taking precautions is wise but this is not the Bubonic Plague.

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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

This cavalier attitude is what will kill many people, and shows your astounding lack of understanding of epidemiology. Avoiding others is paramount right now.



On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:48 AM, thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:

Yesterday more people died from falling down stairs than from Coronavirus

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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Please be careful and don't touch anything. Carry hand sanitizer and stay away from people! You all riding the bus worries me. Take care and safe travels!


Thanks,
Charles

Sent from mobile device.


-------- Original message --------
From: "uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com> via Groups.Io" <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
Date: 3/16/20 1:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@gmail.com>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Thanks Marj Good advice.

Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?

They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.

I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.

Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.

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