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Mach2 and APCC last night

Terri Zittritsch
 
Edited

Finally a clear dark sky (not a hazy moon filled sky with clear spots) and I was able to use the mach2 from 8pm until around 2:30am (just before mooonrise).    The mount was a pure pleasure.  I was able to achieve .5 arc second guiding at 35 degrees above the southern horizon, over my house, and was able to keep it sub .8s at around 23 degrees above the horizon, about as low as I can go and don't typically get to image this low.      Later in the evening, or rather early in the morning, I went back to a higher target nearer the zenith and went to a sub .5 guiding.    I don't think I lost any frames all night due to guiding.    

The other thing I enjoyed was using APCC as the control center to make use of the meridian limits, which I created earlier with the interactive APCC meridian limits editor.   The process of creating the limits was easier than my interpretation from the manual.    The mount started both of my targets with weight-up, without any added thinking or setup on my part once the meridian limits were in place.   For me it's the east limits that I can make most use of to avoid an meridian flip.   More a time saver than anything else since it avoids an extra plate solve, focusing.   

Thought I'd provide a positive update since I originally said the results weren't as expected.

Also, on polar aligning, don't know what happened on my original testing, utilizing polemaster for polar alignment.  On subsequent nights I've used polemaster I've gotten pretty good results of an arc minute or better accuracy to the pole. 

Terri


Re: Mount Not Going To Park Position 3?

George
 

Tony,

 

You’re most welcome.   Enjoy!

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Benjamin
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:51 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mount Not Going To Park Position 3?

 

Thank George,

 

I set that up now. J

 

 

Tony

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George
Sent: March 15, 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mount Not Going To Park Position 3?

 

Tony,

 

APCC has a Home tab where you can establish a Home position.   All you have to do is click the Home button and you are fixed.  

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Benjamin
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 9:40 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mount Not Going To Park Position 3?

 

Hi Peter,

Thanks. I'll give that a go - I was hoping that there would be something more automated for this - but I guess having AE's would solve this issue?


Re: APCC V1.8.0.4 Upgrade

Worsel
 

Jack

A simple 'fix' would be to just the delete the icon, then create a new link based on the 1.8 executable.  I had to do that for the taskbar icon which I use rather than Start menu icons

Bryan


Re: APCC V1.8.0.4 Upgrade

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Jack,

Is it possible that the icon on the start menu is linked to V1.6 even though V1.8 is installed? I would have
assumed that upgrading V1.6 to V1.8 would link the start menu icon to V1.8.
The installer installs the executable over the old version, so if the old version (V1.6) was not shut down completely then V1.8 will not be able to copy over the existing version. I just tried this myself this morning and you will see warning messages from the installer if that happened. The installer worked correctly when I tested it and the correct version (V1.8.0.4) gets downloaded. The version number is in the executable itself, not the link. So, unless you copied the executable to a new folder there should not be two links.

One possibility is that your antivirus software is preventing the installation. Kaspersky seems to be the worst at that.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 6:21 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] APCC V1.8.0.4 Upgrade

Ray,

I started APCC from the icon on my start menu and saw that an update was available. I downloaded the update,
shut down APCC and installed the update. I then clicked on the APCC icon on the start menu and it indicated
that the latest version was installed. I used the latest version to control the mount. I shut down the computer and
closed up the observatory. Later last night, I went back out, started the computer and clicked on the APCC icon in
the start menu. V1.6... started. I repeated the steps to upgrade the program, started APCC and V1.8... started. I
used it to control the mount. Before retiring for the night, I shut down APCC, restarted it and V1.6... had returned.

Is it possible that the icon on the start menu is linked to V1.6 even though V1.8 is installed? I would have
assumed that upgrading V1.6 to V1.8 would link the start menu icon to V1.8.

I will go out and search the installed programs to see if both versions of APCC are installed.

Yours truly,

Jack Huerkamp


Re: APCC V1.8.0.4 Upgrade

Jack Huerkamp
 

Ray,

I started APCC from the icon on my start menu and saw that an update was available.  I downloaded the update, shut down APCC and installed the update.  I then clicked on the APCC icon on the start menu and it indicated that the latest version was installed.  I used the latest version to control the mount.  I shut down the computer and closed up the observatory.  Later last night, I went back out, started the computer and clicked on the APCC icon in the start menu.  V1.6... started.  I repeated the steps to upgrade the program, started APCC and V1.8... started.  I used it to control the mount.  Before retiring for the night, I shut down APCC, restarted it and V1.6... had returned. 

Is it possible that the icon on the start menu is linked to V1.6 even though V1.8 is installed?  I would have assumed that upgrading V1.6 to V1.8 would link the start menu icon to V1.8.

I will go out and search the installed programs to see if both versions of APCC are installed.

Yours truly,

Jack Huerkamp


Re: APCC V1.8.0.4 Upgrade

Jack Huerkamp
 

Brian,

I will go out to the observatory and check to see if I have both versions installed.  I naturally assumed that when I was prompted to upgrade from V1.6 to 1.8, the old version would be removed and replaced with the current one.  That is how most of my other software upgrades function.

I will let you know what I discover.

Thanks,

Jack Huerkamp


Re: Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)

Tony Benjamin
 

Hi AJ,

Thanks, I'll give that a go :)

Tony


Re: APCC V1.8.0.4 Upgrade

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Jack,

Brian's advice is correct. Please check add/remove programs in Windows to make sure that you don't have APCC installed twice.

Also, APCC's check for updates just provides a link to download the installer. After you download V1.8.0.4 you will need to shutdown APCC and run the installer. If you didn't do that all you did was download V1.8.0.4 but V1.6.0.4 was still installed!

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Huerkamp
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 7:00 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] APCC V1.8.0.4 Upgrade

I have APCC Standard V1.6.0.4 installed on my computer and today I updated to V1.8.0.4. I ran the mount, looked
at the Sun, shut down everything and tonight I went back to my observatory. When I started APCC it said a new
version was available (V1.8.0.4) and when I checked the version I had on my computer, it was back to V1.6.0.4.
Somehow the newly installed version got erased. So I reinstalled V1.8.0.4, connected the mount to SkyTools, had
the program guide me to several targets and then I shut everything down. Before closing up I restarted APCC -
again it was at V1.6.0.4.

How do I get the current version to not get removed after shutting down the program? This is getting annoying!

Jack Huerkamp


Re: Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)

A J Trotta
 

I am late to this discussion so I apologize if this has already been suggested. I have an Sbig 8300 stf . I had the same problem with light frames . Sbig suggested I delete the driver and re install .  Problem solved and has not recurred.

Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App



------ Original Message ------

From: Bill Long
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: March 15, 2020 at 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)

Okay. That is odd. How is the camera being powered?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Benjamin <tonybenjamin@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)
 
So far, I have only seen it with Light Frames. I ran a fresh set of Bias/Darks and no sign of the black bar. 


Re: Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)

A J Trotta
 


------ Original Message ------

From: Bill Long
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Sent: March 15, 2020 at 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)
Okay. That is odd. How is the camera being powered?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Benjamin <tonybenjamin@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)
 
So far, I have only seen it with Light Frames. I ran a fresh set of Bias/Darks and no sign of the black bar. 


moderated Re: Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Charles Thompson
 

Please be careful and don't touch anything. Carry hand sanitizer and stay away from people! You all riding the bus worries me. Take care and safe travels!


Thanks,
Charles

Sent from mobile device.


-------- Original message --------
From: "uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via Groups.Io" <chris1011@...>
Date: 3/16/20 1:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.
 
Rolando
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Thanks Marj Good advice.

Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?

They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.

I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.
 
Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.


moderated Re: Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Roland Christen
 

We're flying back tomorrow. I don't anticipate any problems. Ohare is a breeze, get off the plane, head for the bus and we are on the way home. There are no lines coming out of Ohare, it's a straight shot to the Rockford bus.
 
Rolando
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: M Hambrick <mhambrick563@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 3:29 am
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Time to enjoy astronomy and nature

Thanks Marj Good advice.

Are you and Roland still in Hawaii ?

They were showing the immigration lines in Chicago this morning on the news. The wait is several hours long. Fortunately, when you come home you will not have to go through immigration, but the airport will likely be a circus. On the upside, I expect that after the initial rush of people trying to get into the country from the EU, things will slow down a lot. Your biggest risk will be that they cancel your flight due to lack of travelers. I suppose if you are going to get stuck somewhere I can't think of a better place than Hale Lalani Hoku.

I count myself very lucky. I was scheduled to fly home from Germany on Saturday, but decided on Wednesday to fly home a day early. Luckily I did this a few hours before they announced the travel ban, and I got home OK with surprisingly little problems. I am currently in self-quarantine for 2 weeks.
 
Daleen is planning to ship my upgraded 180 EDT on Monday. If the weather cooperates I hope to spend some time outside with my scope during my quarantine.


Re: APCC V1.8.0.4 Upgrade

 

Jack is it possible you have both versions installed and you just launch the older version?

maybe check the control panel/installed programs

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 7:00 PM Jack Huerkamp <Mallincamusa@...> wrote:
I have APCC Standard V1.6.0.4 installed on my computer and today I updated to V1.8.0.4.  I ran the mount, looked at the Sun, shut down everything and tonight I went back to my observatory.  When I started APCC it said a new version was available (V1.8.0.4) and when I checked the version I had on my computer, it was back to V1.6.0.4.  Somehow the newly installed version got erased.  So I reinstalled V1.8.0.4, connected the mount to SkyTools, had the program guide me to several targets and then I shut everything down.  Before closing up I restarted APCC - again it was at V1.6.0.4.

How do I get the current version to not get removed after shutting down the program?  This is getting annoying!

Jack Huerkamp



--
Brian 



Brian Valente


APCC V1.8.0.4 Upgrade

Jack Huerkamp
 

I have APCC Standard V1.6.0.4 installed on my computer and today I updated to V1.8.0.4.  I ran the mount, looked at the Sun, shut down everything and tonight I went back to my observatory.  When I started APCC it said a new version was available (V1.8.0.4) and when I checked the version I had on my computer, it was back to V1.6.0.4.  Somehow the newly installed version got erased.  So I reinstalled V1.8.0.4, connected the mount to SkyTools, had the program guide me to several targets and then I shut everything down.  Before closing up I restarted APCC - again it was at V1.6.0.4.

How do I get the current version to not get removed after shutting down the program?  This is getting annoying!

Jack Huerkamp


Re: Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)

Tony Benjamin
 

The camera is being powered directly from the supplied power brick. I did check that voltage and it is a steady 13.4 DC Volts.


Re: Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)

Bill Long
 

Okay. That is odd. How is the camera being powered?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Benjamin <tonybenjamin@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)
 
So far, I have only seen it with Light Frames. I ran a fresh set of Bias/Darks and no sign of the black bar. 


Re: Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)

Tony Benjamin
 

So far, I have only seen it with Light Frames. I ran a fresh set of Bias/Darks and no sign of the black bar. 


Re: Mount Not Going To Park Position 3?

Tony Benjamin
 

Thank George,

 

I set that up now. J

 

 

Tony

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George
Sent: March 15, 2020 1:18 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mount Not Going To Park Position 3?

 

Tony,

 

APCC has a Home tab where you can establish a Home position.   All you have to do is click the Home button and you are fixed.  

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Benjamin
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 9:40 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Mount Not Going To Park Position 3?

 

Hi Peter,

Thanks. I'll give that a go - I was hoping that there would be something more automated for this - but I guess having AE's would solve this issue?


Re: Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)

Bill Long
 

Does this happen only with a particular frame type (i.e. Light, Bias, Flat, Dark...)? 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Benjamin <tonybenjamin@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 9:06 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)
 
Hi Ben,

No, the area remains exactly the same. I've used Voyager/SGP and also tried it in FLI Grab. The bar shows up in all of them. Heres a quick video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StDDz82ud1I&feature=youtu.be

Good point on the mode change because I was doing 2 min exposures with a focus run every 30 min...which works out fairly close to this bar occuring around each focus run...which changes from 2MHz to 12MHz.

I did try a different cable as well as connecting direct to the computer, as opposed to going through a hub. Didn't help.

I looked at Harmuts driver properties and I don't have any pre-flush settings set...maybe I need to change those?



Re: Black Bar Across Image (ML16200)

Ben Koltenbah
 

OK, Tony, thanks.

Another thing I recommend is trying it out with SGP's updated native FLI driver, however from what you've described you will probably see the same behavior.  I've been advising the SGP developers on updating their driver, and I've "qualified" it to my satisfaction, but I recommend others do their own checks as well since it's new.  If this is due to the buffer issue following a mode change, I do know that SGP is taking steps to do a read (flush) following mode changes.

As for RBI mitigation, I don't think that's going to help you here.  If you've ruled out cabling, USB, port, driver, software at this point, you may have an electronics issue and will need to contact FLI about it.

Ben

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