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Can I launch the ASCOM driver standalone?

Mike Dodd
 

Is there a way to launch the ASCOM driver by itself? I am about to install the CP3 V-chip, and will manually position the scope to Park 1. I want to use the driver to unpark from Park 1.

But when I connect in MaxIm (for Direct Guide) or in ACP, the mount is always unparked, and tracking is turned on. I don't want this.

I would like to launch the driver, then tell it to unpark from Park 1.

How can I do this? Thanks.

--- Mike


Re: New version of APCC

 

Peter,

 

The version history is available when you follow the APCC link from this page on our website:

https://www.astro-physics.com/software-updates/

 

Click on version history on the next page.

 

Clear Skies,

 

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics, Inc

11250 Forest Hills Rd

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-1513

Fax: 815-282-9847

www.astro-physics.com

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New version of APCC

 

I am wondering what the updated version of APCC in November changed?


Re: Mach2 Modelling question

Roland Christen
 

Right now the modeling we have is a routine done in the keypad, which is very simple. It has actually been in the keypad in a different form in the past called Smart guide, but it was not well known so nobody ever used it. So now we have modernized this in the form of a curve fitting modeling that resides in the CP4/5 controller and is activated (points fed to the controller) via a simple keypad routine. It is so simple even I can do it. Adding modeling to the keypad was a goal for some time because even the cheapest import mounts had it and we seemed to be behind the times.

Can it be added to APCC? yes, but why? APCC already has provisions for extensive modeling that builds the model automatically while you go eat dinner or talk with your friends at a star party. The keypad version is manual and doesn't include some of the terms that APCC modeling has. It's easy, but requires your time to sit at your mount, acquire stars and manually enter them into the CP4/5. APCC does it automatically.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Max Mirot via Groups.Io <titansmoons@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Feb 2, 2020 9:23 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Mach2 Modelling question

I know Mach2 will have a new modelling method. 
My understanding is that it will measure drift along the objects path and then apply corrections as the mount moves through the new sky positions.

Sounds similar to the method I used on my ASA DDM85 mount.
This is great method for unguided tracking.
It will works very well for portable users since it does not require a standard model.

I found real benefit using this function along with the standard model in my permanent observatory.

My questions are

1) Will the new method be and added to APCC or is it only keypad function for the Mach2 ?

2) My only complaint with ASA method was that it only worked their automation software.
It could not be used with other automation packages such as Voyager, SGP, CCD autopilot , etc.
Is there a chance you will add this function to APCC so it can work with automation programs using the other mounts, 1100 and 1600?

Thanks

Max Mirot


Re: Inverter issue

Roland Christen
 


The car inverter is likely square wave output which may not work for the mount.
The mount runs on DC and doesn't care what waveform the AC is, square wave or sine makes no difference because it doesn't appear on the DC side.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Panish <scpanish@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 1, 2020 6:41 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Inverter issue

Don is correct, although typically if you pull too much current out of an inverter it will blow a fuse or breaker.  Try running the mount right off the battery if you can make up a cable.  Fusing that is a good safety precaution.  It is also possible the the AC to DC converter has a bad connection which is showing up in the field.

The car inverter is likely square wave output which may not work for the mount.  And BTW, if the main inverter is failing and putting out a poor waveform, some devices will work, and some will not.

STeve


Re: : [ap-gto] Park 1

Roland Christen
 

Park1 points to the north horizon with scope on the west side. Park 5 points to the northern horizon with scope on the east side of the mount. Both parks are correct. If you unpark the mount from Park1 and begin tracking sidereal, in a few seconds the mount will be in a counterweight up position, which you may not realize. So if you then go inside to have dinner, and forget that the mount is running and go to bed, at some point, perhaps a couple hours later, the scope may be up against the pier and the mount is stalled. With Park5, it takes 12 hours of tracking before you get counterweight up position, so there's plenty of room for error.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Dominique Durand via Groups.Io <dom33.durand@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 1, 2020 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: : [ap-gto] Park 1

Ray, I had read somewhere that the Park5 was planned to replace the Park1 which was not always correct.
but at the sight of the documentation I do not understand too much the interest of this park5 which is rather the park4 upside down.
I made my room with the target of park1 which also works well at home and therefore park 4 or park5 is kif-kif as far as I am concerned. I think that with the mach2 all the parks should work perfectly and even that we can choose our own park.


New version of APCC

Peter Bresler
 

I am wondering what the updated version of APCC in November changed?


Re: : [ap-gto] Park 1

Roland Christen
 


The ASCOM driver send time and date to the controller, but this does not update the keypad's date and time.
You can update the keypad time by simply pressing "Get Time From Mount" on the keypad menu after initializing the mount from your ASCOM driver. This way the keypad and your computer are synchronized time-wise.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 1, 2020 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: : [ap-gto] Park 1

> I thought the ASCOM driver and/or APCC automatically updated the keypad's date & time.

The ASCOM driver send time and date to the controller, but this does not update the keypad's date and time.

> What is Park 5?

You can find all the park positions here on pages 21 and 22:

https://astro-physics.info/tech_support/mounts/quick-start-workflow-guide.pdf

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3:  https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of CurtisC via Groups.Io
> Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2020 2:06 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: : [ap-gto] Park 1
>
> I thought the ASCOM driver and/or APCC automatically updated the keypad's date & time.  No?  I was operating
> with APCC as recently as Wednesday night.  I use Park 4 when using APCC, but my keypad doesn't have it.  What
> is Park 5?
>





Mach2 Modelling question

Max Mirot
 

I know Mach2 will have a new modelling method. 
My understanding is that it will measure drift along the objects path and then apply corrections as the mount moves through the new sky positions.

Sounds similar to the method I used on my ASA DDM85 mount.
This is great method for unguided tracking.
It will works very well for portable users since it does not require a standard model.

I found real benefit using this function along with the standard model in my permanent observatory.

My questions are

1) Will the new method be and added to APCC or is it only keypad function for the Mach2 ?

2) My only complaint with ASA method was that it only worked their automation software.
It could not be used with other automation packages such as Voyager, SGP, CCD autopilot , etc.
Is there a chance you will add this function to APCC so it can work with automation programs using the other mounts, 1100 and 1600?

Thanks

Max Mirot


Re: Inverter issue

Suresh Mohan
 

Ah , yes highly possible Don
Suresh


On 02-Feb-2020, at 5:41 AM, Don Anderson via Groups.Io <jockey_ca@...> wrote:


Hello Suresh
If your mount works fine with the 12V battery only, I suspect there is nothing wrong with the CP3 controller or the power cable connector where it attaches to the controller. One thing you should check is to see if your inverter is putting out enough current to supply all the devices connected to it. If you have a laptop, heaters mount and camera(s) connected. You may be short of capacity. What could be happening is as soon as you slew the mount, the extra current draw may drop the voltage at the controller below the allowable limit.

Don Anderson


On Saturday, February 1, 2020, 03:32:50 p.m. MST, Suresh Mohan <drsureshmohan@...> wrote:


One last thing I’m gonna teat at dawn , I also carry a car inverter , I might want to try slewing the mount thro that just to make sure that it’s only only the field inverter that s giving a problem
Suresh 


On 02-Feb-2020, at 3:55 AM, Suresh Mohan via Groups.Io <drsureshmohan@...> wrote:

 Dear friends ,
     In india we only have 220 volts instead of110 v in the us . At home I have a 220 v ac to 12 v dc adapter 5 amp that runs my mount fine . Out in the field I need aninverter  to give out 220 v to run my laptop , since I have the ac wall adapter for the mount  I ran that too - but my mount stalled ( only in the field via inverter to dc conversion ). I assumed that has something to do with powering a servo motor that works fine when fixed to a wall ac socket via dc converter )
Sorry if I had not been clear - it’s  4 am here
Regards and thanks my friends for responding 
Suresh


On 02-Feb-2020, at 12:03 AM, Steven Panish <scpanish@...> wrote:


Yes.  That is what the inverter is for, tto supply AC power from a DC battery.  But if you already have a battery supplying 12V DC, you don't need to use the inverter and an AC->DC power supply to drive a mount that wants 12V dc.  You can run the mount directly off the battery.  But to be safe, you can regulate the power out of the battery with a DC to DC regulator, and you should fuse this with the recommended fuse.  Using the inverter in the loop makes the whole thing very inefficient power wise.

STeve

On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM Ron Kramer <ronkramer1957@...> wrote:
Wouldn't plugging the AC/DC adapter (power supply for the mount) into an inverter be DC and fine? Mine is pure sine wave version.


On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 1:22 PM Steven Panish <scpanish@...> wrote:
Suresh - Do not run the mount off the inverter!!!  The mount needs DC.  The inverter puts out AC.  

Sine wave means the output of the inverter does a good job of digitally simulating analog AC power.  Some inverters put out square wave power, which is lousy but ok for some devices.

STeve



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Re: : [ap-gto] Park 1

Don Anderson
 

You can use Park 1 if you keep the keypad time synchronized with the computer time. You do this by going to the ASCOM driver and selecting the checkbox "Sync Mount to PC Time". After that, you go to your keypad and go to Setup/1. Location & Time/3. Get Time and Location from Mount". This will synchronize the keypad clock with the CPX controller clock so that Park 1 will work reliably. You need to do this regularly since the keypad clock will drift beyond the 10 second difference that Roland mentioned that can cause an error.

Don Anderson


On Saturday, February 1, 2020, 07:08:18 p.m. MST, CurtisC via Groups.Io <calypte@...> wrote:


Thank you, Ray.  Then is there a way to adjust the keypad's date & time to be exact?  Judging by the workflow guide, Park 5 is the result I get when I ask the keypad for Park 1.


Re: : [ap-gto] Park 1

CurtisC <calypte@...>
 

Thank you, Ray.  Then is there a way to adjust the keypad's date & time to be exact?  Judging by the workflow guide, Park 5 is the result I get when I ask the keypad for Park 1.


Re: Mach2 Update?

W Hilmo
 

Wayne,

If you need a mount for the occultation, and don’t have the Mach2 yet, you are welcome to borrow my 1100.  I won’t be needing it until later in the spring.

-Wade

On Jan 31, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Wayne Hixson via Groups.Io <wayneh9026@...> wrote:

Hi guys! Don’t want to be too much of a nag, but any news on Mach2 shipment? The website still says shipping in January 2020 and, well, this is the last day of January. I have really been hoping to have it in time for the Moon/Mars occultation on the 18th. I sold my other mount back in September to afford the Mach2 and I’m getting kind of Astro-starved! 😉

Thanks, Wayne


Re: Inverter issue

Steven Panish
 

Don is correct, although typically if you pull too much current out of an inverter it will blow a fuse or breaker.  Try running the mount right off the battery if you can make up a cable.  Fusing that is a good safety precaution.  It is also possible the the AC to DC converter has a bad connection which is showing up in the field.

The car inverter is likely square wave output which may not work for the mount.  And BTW, if the main inverter is failing and putting out a poor waveform, some devices will work, and some will not.

STeve


Re: Inverter issue

Don Anderson
 

Hello Suresh
If your mount works fine with the 12V battery only, I suspect there is nothing wrong with the CP3 controller or the power cable connector where it attaches to the controller. One thing you should check is to see if your inverter is putting out enough current to supply all the devices connected to it. If you have a laptop, heaters mount and camera(s) connected. You may be short of capacity. What could be happening is as soon as you slew the mount, the extra current draw may drop the voltage at the controller below the allowable limit.

Don Anderson


On Saturday, February 1, 2020, 03:32:50 p.m. MST, Suresh Mohan <drsureshmohan@...> wrote:


One last thing I’m gonna teat at dawn , I also carry a car inverter , I might want to try slewing the mount thro that just to make sure that it’s only only the field inverter that s giving a problem
Suresh 


On 02-Feb-2020, at 3:55 AM, Suresh Mohan via Groups.Io <drsureshmohan@...> wrote:

 Dear friends ,
     In india we only have 220 volts instead of110 v in the us . At home I have a 220 v ac to 12 v dc adapter 5 amp that runs my mount fine . Out in the field I need aninverter  to give out 220 v to run my laptop , since I have the ac wall adapter for the mount  I ran that too - but my mount stalled ( only in the field via inverter to dc conversion ). I assumed that has something to do with powering a servo motor that works fine when fixed to a wall ac socket via dc converter )
Sorry if I had not been clear - it’s  4 am here
Regards and thanks my friends for responding 
Suresh


On 02-Feb-2020, at 12:03 AM, Steven Panish <scpanish@...> wrote:


Yes.  That is what the inverter is for, tto supply AC power from a DC battery.  But if you already have a battery supplying 12V DC, you don't need to use the inverter and an AC->DC power supply to drive a mount that wants 12V dc.  You can run the mount directly off the battery.  But to be safe, you can regulate the power out of the battery with a DC to DC regulator, and you should fuse this with the recommended fuse.  Using the inverter in the loop makes the whole thing very inefficient power wise.

STeve

On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM Ron Kramer <ronkramer1957@...> wrote:
Wouldn't plugging the AC/DC adapter (power supply for the mount) into an inverter be DC and fine? Mine is pure sine wave version.


On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 1:22 PM Steven Panish <scpanish@...> wrote:
Suresh - Do not run the mount off the inverter!!!  The mount needs DC.  The inverter puts out AC.  

Sine wave means the output of the inverter does a good job of digitally simulating analog AC power.  Some inverters put out square wave power, which is lousy but ok for some devices.

STeve



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Re: Mach2 Update?

Wayne Hixson
 

Thanks Roland, I’m sure it will be amazing. I appreciate your personal touch. Looking forward to unboxing and setting it up. In my mind I’ve gone through all the steps and initial testing a hundred times. 😂 Good luck with the rest of final testing. 

Wayne


Re: : [ap-gto] Park 1

Dominique Durand
 

Ray, I had read somewhere that the Park5 was planned to replace the Park1 which was not always correct.
but at the sight of the documentation I do not understand too much the interest of this park5 which is rather the park4 upside down.
I made my room with the target of park1 which also works well at home and therefore park 4 or park5 is kif-kif as far as I am concerned. I think that with the mach2 all the parks should work perfectly and even that we can choose our own park.


Re: Mach2 Update?

Dean Jacobsen
 

Yes, thank you for the update.  I am looking forward to your high resolution images with the Mach2.


Re: Mach2 Update?

Dominique Durand
 

Roland, thank you for all these details, but as my seller told me this week that it should arrive in the coming days and that to read to you I have the impression that it may last a little longer, I have mixed feelings ... but I trust you to do what it takes to satisfy us the best. It is normal, however, that we are impatient to read what you promise us for this frame. To talk about it elsewhere, as well as all the other superb products that you put so much talent and energy with your teams, we plan, in our French-speaking world, to create a specific AP group on a site on which we exchange.


Re: Mach2 Update?

Terri Zittritsch
 

Roland, thank you for the extensive Mach2 update and your continuing dedication to making some of the world's finest amateur and professional astronomy products.   I'm anxiously looking forward to owning and using my first A-P mount.   Please keep us up to date on your developments.


Re: Inverter issue

Suresh Mohan
 

One last thing I’m gonna teat at dawn , I also carry a car inverter , I might want to try slewing the mount thro that just to make sure that it’s only only the field inverter that s giving a problem
Suresh 


On 02-Feb-2020, at 3:55 AM, Suresh Mohan via Groups.Io <drsureshmohan@...> wrote:

Dear friends ,
     In india we only have 220 volts instead of110 v in the us . At home I have a 220 v ac to 12 v dc adapter 5 amp that runs my mount fine . Out in the field I need aninverter  to give out 220 v to run my laptop , since I have the ac wall adapter for the mount  I ran that too - but my mount stalled ( only in the field via inverter to dc conversion ). I assumed that has something to do with powering a servo motor that works fine when fixed to a wall ac socket via dc converter )
Sorry if I had not been clear - it’s  4 am here
Regards and thanks my friends for responding 
Suresh


On 02-Feb-2020, at 12:03 AM, Steven Panish <scpanish@...> wrote:


Yes.  That is what the inverter is for, tto supply AC power from a DC battery.  But if you already have a battery supplying 12V DC, you don't need to use the inverter and an AC->DC power supply to drive a mount that wants 12V dc.  You can run the mount directly off the battery.  But to be safe, you can regulate the power out of the battery with a DC to DC regulator, and you should fuse this with the recommended fuse.  Using the inverter in the loop makes the whole thing very inefficient power wise.

STeve

On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM Ron Kramer <ronkramer1957@...> wrote:
Wouldn't plugging the AC/DC adapter (power supply for the mount) into an inverter be DC and fine? Mine is pure sine wave version.


On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 1:22 PM Steven Panish <scpanish@...> wrote:
Suresh - Do not run the mount off the inverter!!!  The mount needs DC.  The inverter puts out AC.  

Sine wave means the output of the inverter does a good job of digitally simulating analog AC power.  Some inverters put out square wave power, which is lousy but ok for some devices.

STeve



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