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DOVEDV10 - Bolts included?

sroberts84
 

Hi,

Does the new DOVEDV10 saddle ship with bolts, screws, etc for fixing to existing mount?

Thanks..,

S Roberts

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Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

Roy Batty (Jan 8th 2016 - Dec 2019)


Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

Roland Christen
 

If the curve is in Pempro it can load it to any mount controller. Just copying the curve from one mount to another without Pempro won't work.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Dominique Durand via Groups.Io <dom33.durand@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2020 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

Thanks Rolando, it surprised me a little that the new correction curve calculated in PEMPRO for my Mach1 could not be used by the CP4 .... After having mastered the mach2 I will therefore think about the CP4 option for the mach1 .. I will still have to find a buyer for my CP3.

Dominique


Re: Connections to the mount

r1300rs
 

So USB to the Mount via APCC pro, then the mount connection to TSXPro...server mode, virtual port, ASCOM?

Rick Kuntz MS, CCT
cardiofuse observatory


Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

Dominique Durand
 

Thanks Rolando, it surprised me a little that the new correction curve calculated in PEMPRO for my Mach1 could not be used by the CP4 .... After having mastered the mach2 I will therefore think about the CP4 option for the mach1 .. I will still have to find a buyer for my CP3.

Dominique


Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

Roland Christen
 

You cannot load the data directly from a CP3 to a CP4 because of the difference in the number of points. However, if you bring the curve up in PEMPro from the CP3, you can then use that created curve to load into the CP4. You can smooth out the steps and load it with a bit of finer detail that way.

Sorry for the confusion, I may have told George wrong since I did not fully understand how you were going to transfer the curve.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Dominique Durand via Groups.Io <dom33.durand@...>
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Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2020 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

George,

Thanks I understood. The transition to GTOCP4 is not so easy as that I will think about, it twice and meanwhile, I hope very soon, do what is necessary to master my new Mach2. The powerbox V2 is also waiting for it.

Regards
Dominique


Re: gtocp4

Suresh Mohan
 

Thank you Don
Regards
Suresh


On 24-Jan-2020, at 2:24 AM, Don Anderson via Groups.Io <jockey_ca@...> wrote:


Hello Suresh
Whether or not to upgrade to the CP4 is a personal choice. It really depends on how you plan on using the new mount. You should study carefully the features of the CP4 controller (and the upcoming keypad upgrade software) and see if the new features are something that will enhance your astronomy and astrophotography experience. 

Don Anderson


On Wednesday, January 22, 2020, 08:51:55 a.m. MST, Suresh Mohan <drsureshmohan@...> wrote:



Hi friends ,
        I own a Mach 1 and on my good day buy a AP 1100 . I have a gtocp3 controller that works super fine , pls tell me if I should buy a new controller and why ?
Thanks  for your time
Suresh



Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

Dominique Durand
 

George,

Thanks I understood. The transition to GTOCP4 is not so easy as that I will think about, it twice and meanwhile, I hope very soon, do what is necessary to master my new Mach2. The powerbox V2 is also waiting for it.

Regards
Dominique


Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

George
 

Dominique,

 

The CP4 uses a refined positioning of points…more precise…and cannot apply the CP3 curve into it. 

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dominique Durand via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

 

George,

PE and therefore PEC is linked to the frame and not to the box?
I made in 2017 with PEMPRO a new measurement of PE on my mach1 and reloaded the resulting PEC on my GTOCP3 box.
I still have the corresponding .ppc file saved on my computer. I do not understand why with PEMPRO I could not reload this file on a new GTOCP4. Does this mean that the GTOCP4 does not treat the .ppc file in the same way as the GTOCP3?

Regards

Dominique


Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

Dominique Durand
 

George,

PE and therefore PEC is linked to the frame and not to the box?
I made in 2017 with PEMPRO a new measurement of PE on my mach1 and reloaded the resulting PEC on my GTOCP3 box.
I still have the corresponding .ppc file saved on my computer.
I do not understand why with PEMPRO I could not reload this file on a new GTOCP4. Does this mean that the GTOCP4 does not treat the .ppc file in the same way as the GTOCP3?

Regards

Dominique


Re: gtocp4

Don Anderson
 

Hello Suresh
Whether or not to upgrade to the CP4 is a personal choice. It really depends on how you plan on using the new mount. You should study carefully the features of the CP4 controller (and the upcoming keypad upgrade software) and see if the new features are something that will enhance your astronomy and astrophotography experience. 

Don Anderson


On Wednesday, January 22, 2020, 08:51:55 a.m. MST, Suresh Mohan <drsureshmohan@...> wrote:



Hi friends ,
        I own a Mach 1 and on my good day buy a AP 1100 . I have a gtocp3 controller that works super fine , pls tell me if I should buy a new controller and why ?
Thanks  for your time
Suresh



Re: New Keypad Software

 

Yves,

 

Unfortunately, this is not possible.

 

Clear Skies,

 

Marj Christen

Astro-Physics, Inc

11250 Forest Hills Rd

Machesney Park, IL 61115

Phone: 815-282-1513

Fax: 815-282-9847

www.astro-physics.com

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Yves Laroche
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 11:10 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

I meant upgrading the board...adding more memory.

 

Yves

 

Le 23 janv. 2020 11 h 01, George <george@...> a écrit :

Yves,

 

The older keypad design (less memory) can only be updated to v4.19.3.    It cannot take v5.xx.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Yves Laroche
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 7:35 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Hi George,

 

Is it possible to upgrade the old keypad version (less memory) instead of having to buy a new one?

 

Best regards,

Yves

 



Le 22/01/20 13:06, George <george@...> a écrit :

Ted,

Please note the email that Roland just posted to this group.    In addition to what he stated, we have attempted to make the entire keypad more user-friendly.  

We are bug testing as I write this.   There is not a specific date…but very soon.   We will add features in future updates.

Regards,

George

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Mickle via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 12:00 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

George,

 

Two questions concerning the new v5.xx firmware update:

 

1.  Anticipated release timeline

 

2. What specific features will it incorporate?

 

I’ve read some discussions that it will correct for orthogonality errors but haven’t seen an official brief from Astro-Physics.

 

Many thanks,

 

Ted

 

On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:46, George <george@...> wrote:

 

I should add that the earliest keypads…approximately1565GTO and earlier…will not accept the v5.xx firmware, as they do not have the available memory.

Regards,

George

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email: george@...

From:main@ap-gto.groups.io[mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io]On Behalf OfGeorge
Sent:Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:39 AM
To:main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject:Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Peter,

All Keypads can accept firmware version up to v4.19.3.   Version v5.xx will require a CP4 or CP5.

Regards,

George

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email: george@...

From:main@ap-gto.groups.io[mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io]On Behalf OfPeter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent:Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:21 PM
To:main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject:[ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

I fairly recently received an email announcing new keypad software. Unfortunately it appears that my keypad is too old to accept it. Can someone please redirect me to this information?

 

 


Re: Rotating pier adapter #Polar_Alignment

r1300rs
 

Thank you Michael, very useful information.


Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

George
 

Dominique,

 

You cannot transfer your PE from the CP3 to the CP4.    You’ll have to run a new PE curve.  

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dominique Durand via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 2:29 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Dale,
So I misunderstood what George said "It may be a better decision to update the CP3 to a CP4".
I have the ROM chip version Q and I thought maybe I should just replace it with version V.
For the PEC, I retraced the PE of my Mach1 with PEMPRO and therefore I have the corresponding PEC in stock. So I could reassemble it on CP4.

Thanks
Dominique


Re: Rotating pier adapter #Polar_Alignment

r1300rs
 

I agree, if I had a lathe, this would be a piece of cake to make.  A simple cap and flat plate that sits on top of the pier tube.  Nothing to it.  


Re: Rotating pier adapter #Polar_Alignment

r1300rs
 

Well, I have plenty of those (and often the mag difference or other metallic structures, can easily throw them off in the observatory); just walk around with one.  

For this application, aside from owning a compass, is a mobile PierTech trailer observatory.  Often, one cannot easily "park" this 9x9 device so that its internal pier is within 5 degrees of the NSP and many times you don't have a choice as to where to back it in a field and park in an assigned star party slot.  

Therefore, I need to rotate the mount as much as 270 degrees on occasion before I do my temporary pier modeling.  

I agree North is easy to find.....


Re: Connections to the mount

Roland Christen
 

My preferred method is to connect my laptop to the CP via USB. The traffic rate from computer to the CP controller is very low, so no need for a high speed connection.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: r1300rs via Groups.Io <cardiofuse@...>
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Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Connections to the mount

Thinking of upgrading my MX+ (which has wi-fi and USB connection only) to the AP1600 with encoders (which has USB, serial, wi-fi and ethernet).

I use TheSkyXpro with T-point modeling, planetarium software AND the Camera Add-on for camera control.  I generally use Phd for guiding which also connects to the mount.

What is your preferred method of connecting to the mount?  I was thinking of the ethernet connection (then use Wi-fi for LAN/VPN access).  How then would I provide a second connection to the mount for TSX (plate solving) and Phd (guiding).  The camera, filter wheel, rotator and other devices use native TSX ASCOM controllers.  I'm sure this is simple but wanted to gather some opinions...

Rick
cardiofuse observatory 


Connections to the mount

r1300rs
 

Thinking of upgrading my MX+ (which has wi-fi and USB connection only) to the AP1600 with encoders (which has USB, serial, wi-fi and ethernet).

I use TheSkyXpro with T-point modeling, planetarium software AND the Camera Add-on for camera control.  I generally use Phd for guiding which also connects to the mount.

What is your preferred method of connecting to the mount?  I was thinking of the ethernet connection (then use Wi-fi for LAN/VPN access).  How then would I provide a second connection to the mount for TSX (plate solving) and Phd (guiding).  The camera, filter wheel, rotator and other devices use native TSX ASCOM controllers.  I'm sure this is simple but wanted to gather some opinions...

Rick
cardiofuse observatory 


Re: New Keypad Software

Yves Laroche
 

I meant upgrading the board...adding more memory.

Yves

Le 23 janv. 2020 11 h 01, George <george@...> a écrit :

Yves,

 

The older keypad design (less memory) can only be updated to v4.19.3.    It cannot take v5.xx.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Yves Laroche
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 7:35 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Hi George,

 

Is it possible to upgrade the old keypad version (less memory) instead of having to buy a new one?

 

Best regards,

Yves

 



Le 22/01/20 13:06, George <george@...> a écrit :

Ted,

Please note the email that Roland just posted to this group.    In addition to what he stated, we have attempted to make the entire keypad more user-friendly.  

We are bug testing as I write this.   There is not a specific date…but very soon.   We will add features in future updates.

Regards,

George

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Mickle via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 12:00 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

George,

 

Two questions concerning the new v5.xx firmware update:

 

1.  Anticipated release timeline

 

2. What specific features will it incorporate?

 

I’ve read some discussions that it will correct for orthogonality errors but haven’t seen an official brief from Astro-Physics.

 

Many thanks,

 

Ted

 

On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:46, George <george@...> wrote:

 

I should add that the earliest keypads…approximately1565GTO and earlier…will not accept the v5.xx firmware, as they do not have the available memory.

Regards,

George

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email: george@...

From:main@ap-gto.groups.io[mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io]On Behalf OfGeorge
Sent:Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:39 AM
To:main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject:Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Peter,

All Keypads can accept firmware version up to v4.19.3.   Version v5.xx will require a CP4 or CP5.

Regards,

George

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email: george@...

From:main@ap-gto.groups.io[mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io]On Behalf OfPeter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent:Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:21 PM
To:main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject:[ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

I fairly recently received an email announcing new keypad software. Unfortunately it appears that my keypad is too old to accept it. Can someone please redirect me to this information?

 



Re: Controller Safety Cover

Michael Hambrick <mike.hambrick@...>
 

Another simple fix I recently implemented was to loosely wrap the base of the mount with a lightweight space blanket to keep dew from condensing on everything. The key phrase is "loosely wrap". Once I get the scope pointed at the object and center it in the camera, I wrap the space blanket around like a bath towel and fasten it together with clothes pins. This is sufficient to hold the blanket in place while the mount is tracking, but not so rigid as to put anything in a bind.


Best Regards

Michael Hambrick
ARLANXEO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
Orange, TX 77631-2000
Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799
email: mike.hambrick@...


Re: Controller Safety Cover

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi Steve,
 
    Here is a VERY simple, inexpensive fix for the CP4 lack of water-proofing.
 
    I had TWO CP’4’s drown (probably) from dew rolling off my OTA during several sessions, most likely as it slewed across the meridian position – and in both situations, my CP4’s were attached to the top of the AP-1200 axis – just as the original CP3’s were. This should not be done.
 
    I eventually discovered that he water leak access point on the CP-4 “case” is ONLY along that fairly large spaces surrounding the ETHERNET housing. It was easy to  stick two business cards into the crack. Pointing this out over a year ago, AP’s only advice was NOT to position the CP4 on top of the mount. The early User Guide was then revised to add the warning that the CP4 is not waterproof, only water resistant.
    Now I see you have the same problem with your CP4,  even being mounted vertically to the pier side.  That is good information, since I now have my replacement, THIRD CP4 - “supposedly safely” attached - to the side of my own pier, hoping any sudden rain, or dew,  would simply dribble  straight down,  past that connector’s  sides.
 
    There are in fact TWO REMEDIES to drowned CP4’s – even without being rained upon:
  1. Make sure you have pulled out the TWO black rubber plugs from the lower edge corner holes of the CP4 case – they are NOT just rubber feet !!!
        For some reason AP installed these plugs into the case DRAIN HOLES during shipping, and didn’t mention it to anybody. So, most of us thought they were just rubber bumpers. I think they were originally intended to prevent “large bugs” getting inside. In fact, if moisture does manage to enter the CP4 case, possibly accumulating over weeks, these “water drain holes” will help prevent the inevitable corrosion of the internal circuit pins on the circuit board bottom inch or so,  and subsequent shorting out. In fact, I noticed that the water inside my CP4 case, actually created a rust line  over time, from corrosion of that cheap metal connector housing, causing a short circuit path between powered pins.
    *
  2. Hearing about your circumstance, I intend to also apply some black SILICONE SEAL, pressed in around all 4 sides of the Ethernet connector, to keep the moisture from entering, in the first place. You could use “clear” rubber sealant, but I bought a small tube of the black one,  to blend in with the panel colour on the third one.
    e.g.  PERMATEX Adhesive Sealant BLACK SILICONE,  automotive grade RTV.

    That mostly  prevents moisture from rain, or condensed dew, getting in through the Ethernet connector sides. It can also seep in through the small center part as well, but with much more difficulty, if the square recess well in that connector keeps fills up – e.g. with a long rain storm, as in your situation. Perhaps that drainage is a good thing, and should be left open, to prevent the Ethernet plug spring contacts from corroding – the case corner drains should prevent any subsequent internal build-up, if moisture still gets in.
    Others who bought the early run of CP4’s – which still had the traditional WHITE cases, as the CP3’s did –   had no water drainage corner holes,  due to a production oversight,  so the case gradually filled up.  My early CP4 case had to be drilled, after its  second drowning.
 
    The good news is that it seems that ALL of the other connectors on the CP4 case are higher quality,  bolted down tightly from behind, and their socket pins are probably high Military Grade,  well-sealed, quality,  so even that potential moisture access point is unlikely.
Only the ETHERNET connector is soldered to the circuit board,  and is “free-standing” through the slightly oversized square panel cut-out, completely unsealed around its sides.
 
    I would also say, that the (later production) BLACK  painted CP4 cases likely do have those drilled drain holes, but may still have rubber plugs when they arrive. Hopefully, after my two disasters,  AP now seals the Ethernet connector. But, if you have an earlier production run, it would be prudent to apply those two solutions,  as I have done.
 
    It should then be safe from drowning,  with drain holes present, their rubber plugs removed, and with the Ethernet connector sides sealed, on a “VERTICALLY mounted” CP4.
 
Joe Z.