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Re: New Keypad Software

Yves Laroche
 

Hi George,

Is it possible to upgrade the old keypad version (less memory) instead of having to buy a new one?

Best regards,
Yves



Le 22/01/20 13:06, George <george@...> a écrit :

Ted,

Please note the email that Roland just posted to this group.    In addition to what he stated, we have attempted to make the entire keypad more user-friendly.  

We are bug testing as I write this.   There is not a specific date…but very soon.   We will add features in future updates.

Regards,

George

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Mickle via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 12:00 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

George,

 

Two questions concerning the new v5.xx firmware update:

 

1.  Anticipated release timeline

 

2. What specific features will it incorporate?

 

I’ve read some discussions that it will correct for orthogonality errors but haven’t seen an official brief from Astro-Physics.

 

Many thanks,

 

Ted



On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:46, George <george@...> wrote:

 

I should add that the earliest keypads…approximately1565GTO and earlier…will not accept the v5.xx firmware, as they do not have the available memory.

Regards,

George

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email: george@...

From:main@ap-gto.groups.io[mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io]On Behalf OfGeorge
Sent:Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:39 AM
To:main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject:Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Peter,

All Keypads can accept firmware version up to v4.19.3.   Version v5.xx will require a CP4 or CP5.

Regards,

George

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email: george@...

From:main@ap-gto.groups.io[mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io]On Behalf OfPeter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent:Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:21 PM
To:main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject:[ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

I fairly recently received an email announcing new keypad software. Unfortunately it appears that my keypad is too old to accept it. Can someone please redirect me to this information?

 


Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

Dale Ghent
 


The CP4 is completely different hardware. You upgrade to one by buying a CP4 from Astro-Physics and replacing the CP3 on your mount with it. The power connector is different, so you may also need to consider any cable changes in that regard, but the servo motor cables are the same. You can keep the CP3 as a spare or sell it. You will need to talk to AP about the possibility of transferring your mount’s PEC to the CP4, a possibility I believe that depends on how old or new your CP3 is. 


On Jan 23, 2020, at 07:23, Dominique Durand via Groups.Io <dom33.durand@...> wrote:


My first Mach1 GTOCP3 and keypad are from 2011.
I use a SkyFi3 to control the mount with Skysafari on my smartphone. I would like to be able to install the future V5 on the keypad and use these new features. So how do you update the GTOCP3 to CP4?


Re: Rotating pier adapter #Polar_Alignment

Leon
 


I designed and manufactured a rotate base for plus or minus 15 degrees, works great! Is that what you are looking for?

On Jan 22, 2020, at 3:59 PM, fernandorivera3 via Groups.Io <fernandorivera3@...> wrote:


Those who are looking for a 360 degree rotating pier adapter should consider those made by Mal Speer of Malco Precision. These were available years ago for 900 & 1200 GTO mounts. I believe that the company is still around, but Mal has retired- don't know if the business stopped making their 360 degree RPA. Most likely the only way to get one now is by placing a wanted ad on CN or AM [used/secondhand]. I own one of these and it works smoothly on my 48" ATS pier as well as my Rob Miller Tri36M tripod. 

Fernando 


Re: Some new images

Jos� Joaqu�n P�rez Guy
 

Thanks for taking a look, Robert. CS.

Joaquín


El mié., 22 ene. 2020 a las 12:54, Robert Chozick via Groups.Io (<rchozick=aol.com@groups.io>) escribió:
Beautiful images. Great job processing. 

Robert 


On Jan 22, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Karen Christen <karen@...> wrote:



Simply stunning, Jose.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen an image of NGC 1398 before.  Thanks to your work, it’s now one of my favorites.

Karen

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jos? Joaqu?n P?rez Guy
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 8:17 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Some new images

 

Dear group, would like to share with you some images that I processed in the last months.

 

  • NGC 6752 : a big globular in Pavo (actually the third brightest after Omega Cen and 47Tuc)
  • NGC 1398 : galaxy in Fornax, exhibiting an interesting double ring
  • NGC 1531/1532 : a pair of interacting galaxies in Eridanus

Please review the NEW colum at my website :

 

 

Thanks for looking and best wishes,


--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics



Re: Some new images

Jos� Joaqu�n P�rez Guy
 

Many thanks Karen! Glad you like it.

Joaquín


El mié., 22 ene. 2020 a las 12:50, Karen Christen (<karen@...>) escribió:

Simply stunning, Jose.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen an image of NGC 1398 before.  Thanks to your work, it’s now one of my favorites.

Karen

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jos? Joaqu?n P?rez Guy
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 8:17 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] Some new images

 

Dear group, would like to share with you some images that I processed in the last months.

 

  • NGC 6752 : a big globular in Pavo (actually the third brightest after Omega Cen and 47Tuc)
  • NGC 1398 : galaxy in Fornax, exhibiting an interesting double ring
  • NGC 1531/1532 : a pair of interacting galaxies in Eridanus

Please review the NEW colum at my website :

 

 

Thanks for looking and best wishes,


--
Karen Christen
Astro-Physics



Re: Some new images

Jos� Joaqu�n P�rez Guy
 

Hello Didier, thanks for the compliment and, yes, I know about your installation at El Sauce! You are one of "Los Calvos" team? If so, lets join in your next trip to the obs :)

Saludos!


El mié., 22 ene. 2020 a las 9:26, REDIGER-LIZLOV Didier (<rediger@...>) escribió:
hello very nice pictures from a very good site (we have also a new set up at El Sauce). a very good processing in my opinion.
thanks for sharing.


Didier REDIGER-LIZLOV


De : main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> de la part de Jos� Joaqu�n P�rez Guy <cotejardinero@...>
Envoyé : mercredi 22 janvier 2020 03:17
À : main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Objet : [ap-gto] Some new images
 
Dear group, would like to share with you some images that I processed in the last months.
 
  • NGC 6752 : a big globular in Pavo (actually the third brightest after Omega Cen and 47Tuc)
  • NGC 1398 : galaxy in Fornax, exhibiting an interesting double ring
  • NGC 1531/1532 : a pair of interacting galaxies in Eridanus
Please review the NEW colum at my website :
 
 
Thanks for looking and best wishes,



Re: Upgrade to new keypad version (was RE: [ap-gto] Unguided imaging with Mach2) #Keypad

Dominique Durand
 

My first Mach1 GTOCP3 and keypad are from 2011.
I use a SkyFi3 to control the mount with Skysafari on my smartphone. I would like to be able to install the future V5 on the keypad and use these new features. So how do you update the GTOCP3 to CP4?


Re: Rotating pier adapter #Polar_Alignment

fernandorivera3
 

Those who are looking for a 360 degree rotating pier adapter should consider those made by Mal Speer of Malco Precision. These were available years ago for 900 & 1200 GTO mounts. I believe that the company is still around, but Mal has retired- don't know if the business stopped making their 360 degree RPA. Most likely the only way to get one now is by placing a wanted ad on CN or AM [used/secondhand]. I own one of these and it works smoothly on my 48" ATS pier as well as my Rob Miller Tri36M tripod. 

Fernando 


Re: New Keypad Software

Bill Long
 

Thanks George. I have CP4 on my 1100 already. So we're good there.


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of George <george@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:54 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software
 

Bill,

 

Yes.   Remember that you also need a CP4/5.   

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:45 PM
To: George; main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Looks like mine here is 964GTO so I would need a new keypad?

 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of George <george@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 8:46 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

I should add that the earliest keypads…approximately 1565GTO and earlier…will not accept the v5.xx firmware, as they do not have the available memory.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:39 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Peter,

 

All Keypads can accept firmware version up to v4.19.3.   Version v5.xx will require a CP4 or CP5.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:21 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

I fairly recently received an email announcing new keypad software. Unfortunately it appears that my keypad is too old to accept it. Can someone please redirect me to this information?


Re: New Keypad Software

George
 

Bill,

 

Yes.   Remember that you also need a CP4/5.   

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:45 PM
To: George; main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Looks like mine here is 964GTO so I would need a new keypad?

 


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of George <george@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 8:46 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

I should add that the earliest keypads…approximately 1565GTO and earlier…will not accept the v5.xx firmware, as they do not have the available memory.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:39 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Peter,

 

All Keypads can accept firmware version up to v4.19.3.   Version v5.xx will require a CP4 or CP5.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:21 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

I fairly recently received an email announcing new keypad software. Unfortunately it appears that my keypad is too old to accept it. Can someone please redirect me to this information?


Re: New Keypad Software

Bill Long
 

Looks like mine here is 964GTO so I would need a new keypad?


From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of George <george@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 8:46 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software
 

I should add that the earliest keypads…approximately 1565GTO and earlier…will not accept the v5.xx firmware, as they do not have the available memory.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:39 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Peter,

 

All Keypads can accept firmware version up to v4.19.3.   Version v5.xx will require a CP4 or CP5.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:21 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

I fairly recently received an email announcing new keypad software. Unfortunately it appears that my keypad is too old to accept it. Can someone please redirect me to this information?


Re: Where are new models data stored?

uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com>
 

The model operates in the background and does not affect any guiding program. It is totally transparent and will work nicely with PHD2 guiding. In other words, it does not fight the guider.

Rolando


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Beyer <jcbeyer2001@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2020 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Where are new models data stored?

Roland,

Thanks for the further clarification.  Can all the above features offered by the new handset version be used in conjunction with a computer guiding a Mach1/CP4 rig with PHD2?

Joe     

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 9:57 AM uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via Groups.Io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
The models that we are working on (not the APCC APPM model) will be stored in the CP4/5. The keypad is simply a way to do the modeling routine. It stores nothing but gives you the GUI or instruction to complete a model. It basically guides you thru the steps to create the model. There are 2 different models depending on what equipment you have and what your goals are.

The CP4/5 stores the points, up to 64 per side, and does the calculations for pointing and tracking. It is a simplified version of a pointing/tracking model and will not tell you how far off your polar alignment is. It simply compensates for pointing errors and adjusts tracking in both axes with the polar alignment that you have.

This simple model is intended for keypad users. If you don't have a keypad and want more extensive modeling, we have APPC - APPM which has automatic image acquisition where you turn it on and come back in 30 minutes and have your model done automatically.  The keypad version of the pointing/tracking model requires hands-on operation. You physically click on stars in your planetarium program, acquire the image of the star, center it and manually enter that point via the keypad. You can also use a crosshair eyepiece for centering, but some kind of planetarium app (perhaps on your smart phone) is needed to choose the stars for your pointing/tracking model.

In the case where you do not have a planetarium program handy to create these star points, and you just want to do unguided perfect tracking, we have a tracking model (no pointing). This model maps the drift along the object's path that you want to image. You only need to measure the actual drift at 3 or 4 points along the image's path in order for the CP4/5 to calculate the exact custom RA and Dec rates that will produce perfect or near-perfect tracking along the entire path over the course of the night. I have tested this model extensively and it works very well. Unguided imaging with my encoder mounts is very accurate and appears to be as good or better than guiding for the same exposure times (between 5 and 15 minutes).

We also have a third routine that measures your scope's orthogonal error and compensates for it when flipping sides.

I hope I have answered your questions and not confused things further.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Hixson via Groups.Io <wayneh9026=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2020 10:48 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Where are new models data stored?

Are the models stored in the keypad or the GTOCPx? 


Re: Where are new models data stored?

Joseph Beyer
 

Roland,

Thanks for the further clarification.  Can all the above features offered by the new handset version be used in conjunction with a computer guiding a Mach1/CP4 rig with PHD2?

Joe     

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 9:57 AM uncarollo2 <chris1011@...> via Groups.Io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
The models that we are working on (not the APCC APPM model) will be stored in the CP4/5. The keypad is simply a way to do the modeling routine. It stores nothing but gives you the GUI or instruction to complete a model. It basically guides you thru the steps to create the model. There are 2 different models depending on what equipment you have and what your goals are.

The CP4/5 stores the points, up to 64 per side, and does the calculations for pointing and tracking. It is a simplified version of a pointing/tracking model and will not tell you how far off your polar alignment is. It simply compensates for pointing errors and adjusts tracking in both axes with the polar alignment that you have.

This simple model is intended for keypad users. If you don't have a keypad and want more extensive modeling, we have APPC - APPM which has automatic image acquisition where you turn it on and come back in 30 minutes and have your model done automatically.  The keypad version of the pointing/tracking model requires hands-on operation. You physically click on stars in your planetarium program, acquire the image of the star, center it and manually enter that point via the keypad. You can also use a crosshair eyepiece for centering, but some kind of planetarium app (perhaps on your smart phone) is needed to choose the stars for your pointing/tracking model.

In the case where you do not have a planetarium program handy to create these star points, and you just want to do unguided perfect tracking, we have a tracking model (no pointing). This model maps the drift along the object's path that you want to image. You only need to measure the actual drift at 3 or 4 points along the image's path in order for the CP4/5 to calculate the exact custom RA and Dec rates that will produce perfect or near-perfect tracking along the entire path over the course of the night. I have tested this model extensively and it works very well. Unguided imaging with my encoder mounts is very accurate and appears to be as good or better than guiding for the same exposure times (between 5 and 15 minutes).

We also have a third routine that measures your scope's orthogonal error and compensates for it when flipping sides.

I hope I have answered your questions and not confused things further.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Hixson via Groups.Io <wayneh9026=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2020 10:48 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Where are new models data stored?

Are the models stored in the keypad or the GTOCPx? 


Re: Rotating pier adapter #Polar_Alignment

Michael Hambrick <mike.hambrick@...>
 

Be careful if you modify the pier so as not to create a sloppy attachment of the mount base into the pier. In mounts where the bolts are on the side of the mount base (like on the 1100 GTO), oversize mounting holes (or slots) can result in a situation where the mount could shift under the load throw off your polar alignment.

Put the mount into Park 3 and you will see what I am talking about. With the counterweights and scope attached, the weight is centered out beyond the north side of the pier. This cantilevered mass wants to tilt the whole mount downwards, and if it is not securely bolted to the pier it will shift.even if you think the bolts are tight. In my old 8-inch pier, the bolt holes are oversized enough that it allows the mount base to tilt about 1/16-inch. This is a shift of about 1/2 degree ! I have reduced the chances of the mount shifting by using high performance NORD LOCK wedge lock washers on the bolts that attach the mount to the pier, but a better solution would be to use a flat surface adapter so that the mount attaches to the top of the pier rather than from the side. Another option might be to replace three of the six side bolts with tapered dowel pins. Doing this would absolutely fix the mount base to the pier and not allow it to tilt under load.


Best Regards

Michael Hambrick
ARLANXEO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
Orange, TX 77631-2000
Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799
email: mike.hambrick@...




From:        "Robert Berta" <biker123@...>
To:        main@ap-gto.groups.io
Date:        01/22/2020 10:48 AM
Subject:        Re: [ap-gto] Rotating pier adapter #Polar_Alignment
Sent by:        main@ap-gto.groups.io




Seems you could just drill extra holes in the pier tube to allow more position options. You could also machine slots in place of the holes on the tube and use washers and bolts to clamp once rotated. that would give you perhaps another total of 10 additional degrees adjustment besides the existing azimuth adjustment in the mount. A machinist could easily build an adapter for what you want.

I am a hobbiest in machining and have a metal lathe and milling machine. When I leave my home observatory and go in field I designed and machined a cap that fits on a modified Meade Giant Field Tripod that takes the flat plate adapter and allows me to rotate the entire assembly if needed to reach the range covered by the mounts azimuth control. The Meade tripod has the advantage it can be adjusted for uneven ground easier than a traditional pier and that was why I went that way instead of a pier.  



Re: New Keypad Software

George
 

Ted,

 

You’re always most welcome.   Updates with a smile!   <G>

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Mickle via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 12:34 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Thanks, George [and Roland] — looking forward to this update; thanks for all you do!

 

Ted



On Jan 22, 2020, at 12:08, George <george@...> wrote:

 

Ted,

 

Please note the email that Roland just posted to this group.    In addition to what he stated, we have attempted to make the entire keypad more user-friendly.  

 

We are bug testing as I write this.   There is not a specific date…but very soon.   We will add features in future updates.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Mickle via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 12:00 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

George,

 

Two questions concerning the new v5.xx firmware update:

 

1.  Anticipated release timeline

 

2. What specific features will it incorporate?

 

I’ve read some discussions that it will correct for orthogonality errors but haven’t seen an official brief from Astro-Physics.

 

Many thanks,

 

Ted




On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:46, George <george@...> wrote:

 

I should add that the earliest keypads…approximately 1565GTO and earlier…will not accept the v5.xx firmware, as they do not have the available memory.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:39 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Peter,

 

All Keypads can accept firmware version up to v4.19.3.   Version v5.xx will require a CP4 or CP5.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:21 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

I fairly recently received an email announcing new keypad software. Unfortunately it appears that my keypad is too old to accept it. Can someone please redirect me to this information?

 

 


Re: New Keypad Software

Ted Mickle
 

Thanks, George [and Roland] — looking forward to this update; thanks for all you do!

Ted

On Jan 22, 2020, at 12:08, George <george@...> wrote:

Ted,
 
Please note the email that Roland just posted to this group.    In addition to what he stated, we have attempted to make the entire keypad more user-friendly.  
 
We are bug testing as I write this.   There is not a specific date…but very soon.   We will add features in future updates.
 
Regards,
 
George
 
George Whitney
Astro-Physics, Inc.
Phone:  815-282-1513
Email:  george@...
 
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Mickle via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 12:00 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software
 
George,
 
Two questions concerning the new v5.xx firmware update:
 
1.  Anticipated release timeline
 
2. What specific features will it incorporate?
 
I’ve read some discussions that it will correct for orthogonality errors but haven’t seen an official brief from Astro-Physics.
 
Many thanks,
 
Ted


On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:46, George <george@...> wrote:
 
I should add that the earliest keypads…approximately 1565GTO and earlier…will not accept the v5.xx firmware, as they do not have the available memory.
 
Regards,
 
George
 
George Whitney
Astro-Physics, Inc.
Phone:  815-282-1513
Email:  george@...
 
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George
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Peter,
 
All Keypads can accept firmware version up to v4.19.3.   Version v5.xx will require a CP4 or CP5.
 
Regards,
 
George
 
George Whitney
Astro-Physics, Inc.
Phone:  815-282-1513
Email:  george@...
 
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:21 PM
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Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software
 
I fairly recently received an email announcing new keypad software. Unfortunately it appears that my keypad is too old to accept it. Can someone please redirect me to this information?
 



Re: New Keypad Software

George
 

Ted,

 

Please note the email that Roland just posted to this group.    In addition to what he stated, we have attempted to make the entire keypad more user-friendly.  

 

We are bug testing as I write this.   There is not a specific date…but very soon.   We will add features in future updates.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Mickle via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 12:00 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

George,

 

Two questions concerning the new v5.xx firmware update:

 

1.  Anticipated release timeline

 

2. What specific features will it incorporate?

 

I’ve read some discussions that it will correct for orthogonality errors but haven’t seen an official brief from Astro-Physics.

 

Many thanks,

 

Ted



On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:46, George <george@...> wrote:

 

I should add that the earliest keypads…approximately 1565GTO and earlier…will not accept the v5.xx firmware, as they do not have the available memory.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:39 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

Peter,

 

All Keypads can accept firmware version up to v4.19.3.   Version v5.xx will require a CP4 or CP5.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:21 PM
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Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

 

I fairly recently received an email announcing new keypad software. Unfortunately it appears that my keypad is too old to accept it. Can someone please redirect me to this information?

 


Re: New Keypad Software

uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com>
 

Please read my previous post.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Mickle via Groups.Io <tedmickle@...>
To: main <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2020 12:00 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software

George,

Two questions concerning the new v5.xx firmware update:

1.  Anticipated release timeline

2. What specific features will it incorporate?

I’ve read some discussions that it will correct for orthogonality errors but haven’t seen an official brief from Astro-Physics.

Many thanks,

Ted

On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:46, George <george@...> wrote:

I should add that the earliest keypads…approximately 1565GTO and earlier…will not accept the v5.xx firmware, as they do not have the available memory.
 
Regards,
 
George
 
George Whitney
Astro-Physics, Inc.
Phone:  815-282-1513
Email:  george@...
 
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:39 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software
 
Peter,
 
All Keypads can accept firmware version up to v4.19.3.   Version v5.xx will require a CP4 or CP5.
 
Regards,
 
George
 
George Whitney
Astro-Physics, Inc.
Phone:  815-282-1513
Email:  george@...
 
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:21 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software
 
I fairly recently received an email announcing new keypad software. Unfortunately it appears that my keypad is too old to accept it. Can someone please redirect me to this information?


New Keypad Software

Ted Mickle
 

George,

Two questions concerning the new v5.xx firmware update:

1.  Anticipated release timeline

2. What specific features will it incorporate?

I’ve read some discussions that it will correct for orthogonality errors but haven’t seen an official brief from Astro-Physics.

Many thanks,

Ted

On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:46, George <george@...> wrote:

I should add that the earliest keypads…approximately 1565GTO and earlier…will not accept the v5.xx firmware, as they do not have the available memory.
 
Regards,
 
George
 
George Whitney
Astro-Physics, Inc.
Phone:  815-282-1513
Email:  george@...
 
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of George
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:39 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software
 
Peter,
 
All Keypads can accept firmware version up to v4.19.3.   Version v5.xx will require a CP4 or CP5.
 
Regards,
 
George
 
George Whitney
Astro-Physics, Inc.
Phone:  815-282-1513
Email:  george@...
 
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Bresler via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:21 PM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: [ap-gto] New Keypad Software
 
I fairly recently received an email announcing new keypad software. Unfortunately it appears that my keypad is too old to accept it. Can someone please redirect me to this information?



Re: Where are new models data stored?

uncarollo2 <chris1011@aol.com>
 

The models that we are working on (not the APCC APPM model) will be stored in the CP4/5. The keypad is simply a way to do the modeling routine. It stores nothing but gives you the GUI or instruction to complete a model. It basically guides you thru the steps to create the model. There are 2 different models depending on what equipment you have and what your goals are.

The CP4/5 stores the points, up to 64 per side, and does the calculations for pointing and tracking. It is a simplified version of a pointing/tracking model and will not tell you how far off your polar alignment is. It simply compensates for pointing errors and adjusts tracking in both axes with the polar alignment that you have.

This simple model is intended for keypad users. If you don't have a keypad and want more extensive modeling, we have APPC - APPM which has automatic image acquisition where you turn it on and come back in 30 minutes and have your model done automatically.  The keypad version of the pointing/tracking model requires hands-on operation. You physically click on stars in your planetarium program, acquire the image of the star, center it and manually enter that point via the keypad. You can also use a crosshair eyepiece for centering, but some kind of planetarium app (perhaps on your smart phone) is needed to choose the stars for your pointing/tracking model.

In the case where you do not have a planetarium program handy to create these star points, and you just want to do unguided perfect tracking, we have a tracking model (no pointing). This model maps the drift along the object's path that you want to image. You only need to measure the actual drift at 3 or 4 points along the image's path in order for the CP4/5 to calculate the exact custom RA and Dec rates that will produce perfect or near-perfect tracking along the entire path over the course of the night. I have tested this model extensively and it works very well. Unguided imaging with my encoder mounts is very accurate and appears to be as good or better than guiding for the same exposure times (between 5 and 15 minutes).

We also have a third routine that measures your scope's orthogonal error and compensates for it when flipping sides.

I hope I have answered your questions and not confused things further.

Rolando



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From: Wayne Hixson via Groups.Io <wayneh9026@...>
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Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2020 10:48 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Where are new models data stored?

Are the models stored in the keypad or the GTOCPx?