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Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Bill Long
 

I may have misquoted why, but some calls are being made for specific scenarios that require it. Likely not a discussion for this forum.


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 4:55 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
 
 

Hi Bill,

> Ray, its not the licensing software, it kernel mode calls it makes in
> certain cases that require it

Usually kernel mode calls are found in system drivers. Why any user level software application would need to do that type of call is
curious!

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:23 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
>
> Ray is right that turning UAC off is a security issue you should be very aware of in terms of the consequences.
>
> As far as Voyager not needing Admin rights, I dont disagree with that at all, but that is the current state of things --
> and I have made this abundantly clear to users.
>
> Ray, its not the licensing software, it kernel mode calls it makes in certain cases that require it. Again -- not
> something I think is right, but the software works so well, I am willing to live with it on a machine I dont care about,
> and has no PII for me on it.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
> groups3@... [ap-gto]
> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:40 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
>
> > Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
> > astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got problems with
> > UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome.. :-)
>
> There are many good reasons to leave UAC on, including the possibility of Ransomware locking and encrypting all
> your O/S, software, and images. This can happen even without an internet connection if you install infected
> software.
>
> But, you do have everything backed up, including license keys, right? :-) It might only take a day or two to reinstall
> Windows and apps and get everything reconfigured. If you are prepared for that possibility then go ahead and keep
> UAC disabled.
>
> BTW, IMO Voyager should not require admin rights. Almost all other astronomy apps do not require admin access.
> Someone should ask the authors what specifically requires admin rights (I wonder if it is the licensing software they
> use).
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:14 PM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Ray,
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the delay...I missed your post this morning
> >
> >
> > Thanks for pointing this out! I've turned off the Windows UAC.. Now it's working, when enabling/disabling the
> "Run
> > as Administrator" checkbox it works.
> >
> >
> > Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
> > astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got problems with
> > UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome.. :-)
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Yves
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 22/09/19 08:10, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" a écrit :
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Yves,
> >
> > > I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass
> > > any shortcuts who may have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as
> > > administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of APCC is still there.
> >
> > Is it possible you may have turned off Windows UAC?
> >
> > In Windows explorer navigate directly to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro" and right-click
> > "AstroPhysicsCommandCenter.exe" and click on the "Compatibility" tab. It should not need to have compatibility
> > with any particular version of Windows. The "Run as Administrator" checkbox should not be enabled. If it is,
> > uncheck it..
> >
> > BTW, which version of Windows are you running?
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:04 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Some clouds appeared so decided to shutdown APCC to test something.
> > >
> > > I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass any shortcuts who
> > may
> > > have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as administrator" but the "Elevated"
> mention
> > of
> > > APCC is still there.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to cancel such elevated privileges?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Yves
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 22/09/19 00:44, "Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]" a écrit :
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes it is running as admin if it says "Elevated".
> > >
> > > Granting UAC permission to install something is not the same as its context in which it runs afterwards.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...> on behalf of 'Yves Laroche'
> > > yves.laroche@... [ap-gto]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:40 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ray,
> > >
> > >
> > > My APCC is working with an "Elevated" description at the upper left window side. Does it mean that is running
> > "as
> > > administrator"?
> > >
> > > Another thing...I always installing my software "as administrator". Does this install the software the same as
> > > running it "as administrator"? Thanks!!!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Yves
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 22/09/19 00:18, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" a écrit
> :
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should
> not
> > > run
> > > > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> > >
> > > This has been said a million times before but running an application on a Windows account with admin privs is
> > > *not* the same as
> > > running the application "as administrator".
> > >
> > > Running an application "as administrator" runs the application under a special Windows account different from
> > your
> > > user account.
> > > Running "as administrator" gives an application many more privileges to which the application shouldn't need
> > > access.
> > >
> > > https://www.techspot.com/guides/1718-run-as-administrator-explained/
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups..com]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:49 PM
> > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should
> not
> > > run
> > > > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If the above is true, is there some way I can run them under my admin account without admin privs?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!!
> > > >
> > > > steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
> > > > groups3@... [ap-gto]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 PM
> > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Steve,
> > > >
> > > > APCC creates two virtual ports, one each for two instances of the AP V2 ASCOM driver. The first instance
> will
> > > > open if the application opening the driver is run in your regular user account. The second instance will open
> > when
> > > > an application (e.g. PHD2) has been run "as administrator".
> > > >
> > > > While this is a feature that no other ASCOM telescope driver has, it is not recommended to run applications
> "as
> > > > administrator". Thus, assuming you didn't run APCC as administrator (don't!), you should not start PHD2 "as
> > > > administrator".
> > > >
> > > > -Ray Gralak
> > > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > > > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups...com]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:07 PM
> > > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > > Subject: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I open APCC
> > > > > connect to mount in APCC
> > > > > connect to Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC
> > > > > Open PHD2 it opens a SECOND instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> > > > >
> > > > > Now even if PHD is doing something wrong, I can't imagine two instances of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> > > should
> > > > be
> > > > > allowed to open on the same computer. Am I wrong? Is there ever a situation where two instances of the
> > Astro-
> > > > > Physics V2 driver open on the same PC is legitimate?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am running an AP-900 mount & an AP-1600 mount for the first time ever in the observatory, on the same
> > > > network.
> > > > > Each mount is controlled by a separate laptop, each are connected via TCP/UDP with two distinct IP
> > > addresses.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I DO NOT open an instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC and allow PHD2 to open an
> > > instance
> > > > > everything runs like it should.
> > > > >
> > > > > I get about two clear nights a year, software errors are bad...
> > > > > call me frustrated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > > retired software developer.
> > > > >
> > > > > p.s. I am running windows10.
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Re: Using the GTO keypad with the Mach2

Terri Zittritsch
 

HI Charles, can I ask what you did here?  Did you update all of your focus motors to Pegasus , or is the Pegasus controller compatible with most stepper motors so you basically just sold your controllers?   Right now I have a moonlight motor and controller pair, then I have two feather touch focus motors and two separate controllers (focus boss II).  


Terri

On Sep 21, 2019, at 2:15 PM, cthomp97 cthomp97@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:


Yes it is a little high but I recouped all the cost and even made some money back by selling all my Moonlite focus motor controllers. 





Thanks,
Charles

Sent from mobile device.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Terri Zittritsch theresamarie11@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> 
Date: 9/21/19 11:33 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: "chris1011@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> 
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Using the GTO keypad with the Mach2

 

Hi Charles, I’ve looked at these before, and they look very slick, but because I already have several focus and dew controllers, and the high price I opted just to make a power distribution center and buy a US3  hub, which are dirt cheap.. 


But if just starting out, with none of the other pieces in your kit,  these look like great combo setups and may even be cost effective for someone in this situation.


Terri

On Sep 21, 2019, at 11:28 AM, cthomp97 cthomp97@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:


I don't know if it has been mentioned already but I use the Pegasus Astro V2 Ultimate Power box. It's an all in one USB 3 hub, power distribution and focus motor controller. The software works very well also. Oh and it has 3 Drew heater outputs and some other stuff as well. Just make sure you get the V2 not the V1. 





Thanks,
Charles

Sent from mobile device.

-------- Original message --------
From: "pnagy@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> 
Date: 9/20/19 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Using the GTO keypad with the Mach2

 

Yes, I am the same Peter from TEC forum. Thanks for the kind words.

I am somewhat a little disappointed that Mach2 will no longer accept external cables to be routed through the mount. Mach2 has internal power and USB3 cables (one of each) which means you may need some kind of hub or power distribution at the scope if you want clean cable management.

Personally I feel the advertisement of "through the mount cabling" for Mach2 at A-P web site is a little misleading because the same exact words are said for A-P1100 and A-P1600 mounts which allow external cables to be routed through the mount. I hope some customers won't feel betrayed about Mach2 advertisement about "through the mount cabling". I think it needs to be clarified.

Personally I could not live without through the mount cabling with my former Mach1 and current A-P1100AE because I never even for a second think about cables getting snagged.

My comments no way meant to offend A-P, just my opinion about it. I absolutely love A-P products.

Peter


---In ap-gto@..., wrote :

Wow, impressive Peter.. basically uninterruptible power.    On more than one occasion I’ve tripped over, and/or yanked a power cord out (I am eternally clumsy).   Over the last winter I’ve gone to adding luminescent tape to many of the cords and wires and tripod legs, observing chair legs.    It helps me a lot to keep aware of all the places that are trip or snag hazards, especially the way I’ve wired my mount with USB hub, focus controller and power center mostly mounted on the tripod legs.. I have a lot of wires flying around and they’re mostly black, so the tape placed at 1 foot internals or so helps a lot.   So I’m always keeping track of where the wires are when doing meridian flips or initial slews.   I am in the process or redesigning to accommodate the USB Hub, power distribution and focus controller on the telescope side by side mount which is going to be a lot tidier and avoid most of the issue with cables on my current setup, and I think 100% resolved with the Mach2 internal cabling. 

I think Peter, I see you on the TEC forum as well.. Your astrophotography is gorgeous. 


Terri


On Sep 19, 2019, at 9:05 PM, pnagy@.... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:


I use A/C setup along with my Battery Box as a backup in my backyard by using this cool Power Gate device:


along with:


The Power Gate is a dual function of UPS and battery charger. Under normal circumstance, A/C power supply (14.1VDC) is used to supply power to my astro gears while the Power Gate charges the battery (from power supply via Power Gate). It could not be easier. If there's a power outage, the Power Gate auto-magically switches to Battery power and continues to provide 12VDC power to astro gears without hiccups.

One time, during imaging session in my backyard, I accidentally and unknowingly kicked the power cord out of the outlet outside killing the power to the power supply but no problem because the Power Gate switched to connect the battery to my astro gears and worked all night.

Here is a bad photo of my Battery Box with Power Gate on top of Battery Box:


It looks messy in the photo but it's really simple and clean.

Peter


---In ap-gto@..., wrote :

Thanks guys for the suggestions.  I have essentially the same setup (different source for my meter) on my battery setup.   It includes a shunt so I have current load, voltage, and power readings.

What I don’t have is the same for the AC setup, so I can consider this A-P product for the AC setup.     But I suspect the Mach2 is going to work so well, that I’m going to forget it’s even there and place my focus on the other 999 things that can go wrong with astrophotography.    The whole idea of forgetting about the mount is something I’m really looking forward to.  


Terri



On Sep 19, 2019, at 5:39 PM, 'Woody Schlom' woody@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

Bryan,

Yeah, I have one of these too. They’re great – and so simple once you’ve converted all your power cables over to PP.

Woody

From: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...> 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 1:49 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ap-gto] Using the GTO keypad with the Mach2

Terri

I purchased the A-P Online Power meter some time ago

https://astro-physics.com/cabppwm

and have found it very useful.for assessing current draw under varying loads, balancing the scope, evaluating if something is binding somewhere, e.g. cable drag, remaining battery capacity.

Bryan

---In ap-gto@..., wrote :

Rolando, thank you again for all of the great information. You should put some of this in your specification (just a suggestion). I’ll be able to monitor it once I have a chance to connect the Mach2 to a battery since I have a shunt installed to monitor draw. I’ve never noticed the spikiness of the dew controller, but do know that they're pulse width modulated (not clear on frequency) and I currently use a simple 5A “brick” supply with my current setup that supplies everything (mount, heaters, camera cooler, focuser, USB hub, etc) when running at home.. With the Mach2 and supplied 24V power, It’ll be easy to split the supplies by just keeping my current supply for everything but the mount.. In the field I’ll be using a single 12V 55Ah battery. I assume the mount power input is separate from the supply that will feed through up to the DEC axis and the supply that powers the USB hub. I guess if need be, some additional decoupling can be added around the dew controller if it ever caused issues for other 12V components. Maybe this is why I sometimes get mysterious image transmission failures.  

Terri

On Sep 19, 2019, at 12:32 PM, chris1011@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@... <mailto:ap-gto@...> > wrote:

Mount current draw is the following as measured at the power supply: 

At 24 volts - 0.39 amps normal tracking. At 1800x - 2..06 amps 1 axis, 3.24 amps 2 axis slewing.

At 12 volts - 0.69 amps normal tracking. At 1200x - 2..91 amps 1 axis, 4.43 amps 2 axis slewing.

For 600x slewing, current draw is approximately half of the above

For 900x slewing current draw is approx 75% of above.

The mount comes with a 10 amp 24 volt supply (240 watts) and can be used with 120 and 240 volt input power.

If you run this mount from a different power supply, I recommend that you do not run dew heaters from that same supply since these put heavy spikes in the line that can disrupt the mount control circuit. Batteries tend to be ok since they can deliver the high inrush currents that dew heaters produce without dropping below the 10 - 11 volt min. limit that can cause motor stalls.

Roland Christen

Astro-Physics Inc.

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Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

topboxman
 

Hi Ray,

I checked my other programs and none of them are set to "Run as Administrator" via Properties->Compatibility for each program. With Voyager and PHD2 running, I do not see "Admin" near the ASCOM logo of A-P V2 ASCOM driver.

Like I said before, all software I install, I never mess with administrator settings. I simply install and run them and not thinking about administrator settings.

I don't yet own APCC.

Peter


---In ap-gto@..., <groups3@...> wrote :

Hi Peter,

> Now, I am not seeing multiple instances of A-P V2 ASCOM drivers
> anymore with Voyager's latest version.

It is possible that all applications are running "as administrator".

Both APCC and the driver give indications of being run "as administrator". APCC will show "Elevated" in the task header, and the driver will show "Admin" near the ASCOM logo.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 3:43 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
>
> Ray,
>
> When I saw two instances of A-P V2 ASCOM driver with Voyager and PHD2, this was about 3 or 4 versions
> behind the latest version. It's possible Voyager developer quietly fixed it in later or latest version.
>
> Now, I am not seeing multiple instances of A-P V2 ASCOM drivers anymore with Voyager's latest version.
>
> Voyager appears to be an excellent software and I am trying it out to test it's auto focusing to see if it's better or
> more consistent than SGPro.
>
> Will find out as soon as I can.
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> ---In ap-gto@..., <groups3@...> wrote :
>
>
>
> > Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
> > astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got
> problems with
> > UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome. :-)
>
>
>
> There are many good reasons to leave UAC on, including the possibility of Ransomware locking and encrypting all
> your O/S, software, and images. This can happen even without an internet connection if you install infected
> software.
>
> But, you do have everything backed up, including license keys, right? :-) It might only take a day or two to reinstall
> Windows and apps and get everything reconfigured. If you are prepared for that possibility then go ahead and keep
> UAC disabled.
>
> BTW, IMO Voyager should not require admin rights. Almost all other astronomy apps do not require admin access.
> Someone should ask the authors what specifically requires admin rights (I wonder if it is the licensing software they
> use).
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:14 PM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Ray,
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the delay...I missed your post this morning
> >
> >
> > Thanks for pointing this out! I've turned off the Windows UAC. Now it's working, when enabling/disabling
> the "Run
> > as Administrator" checkbox it works.
> >
> >
> > Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
> > astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got
> problems with
> > UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome. :-)
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Yves
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 22/09/19 08:10, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> a écrit :
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Yves,
> >
> > > I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass
> > > any shortcuts who may have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as
> > > administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of APCC is still there.
> >
> > Is it possible you may have turned off Windows UAC?
> >
> > In Windows explorer navigate directly to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro" and right-click
> > "AstroPhysicsCommandCenter.exe" and click on the "Compatibility" tab. It should not need to have
> compatibility
> > with any particular version of Windows. The "Run as Administrator" checkbox should not be enabled. If it
> is,
> > uncheck it..
> >
> > BTW, which version of Windows are you running?
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:04 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Some clouds appeared so decided to shutdown APCC to test something.
> > >
> > > I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass any
> shortcuts who
> > may
> > > have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as administrator" but the "Elevated"
> mention
> > of
> > > APCC is still there.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to cancel such elevated privileges?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Yves
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 22/09/19 00:44, "Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> a écrit :
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes it is running as admin if it says "Elevated".
> > >
> > > Granting UAC permission to install something is not the same as its context in which it runs afterwards.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...> on behalf of 'Yves Laroche'
> > > yves.laroche@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:40 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...>
> > > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ray,
> > >
> > >
> > > My APCC is working with an "Elevated" description at the upper left window side. Does it mean that is
> running
> > "as
> > > administrator"?
> > >
> > > Another thing...I always installing my software "as administrator". Does this install the software the same
> as
> > > running it "as administrator"? Thanks!!!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Yves
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 22/09/19 00:18, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> a écrit :
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I
> should not
> > > run
> > > > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> > >
> > > This has been said a million times before but running an application on a Windows account with admin
> privs is
> > > *not* the same as
> > > running the application "as administrator".
> > >
> > > Running an application "as administrator" runs the application under a special Windows account
> different from
> > your
> > > user account.
> > > Running "as administrator" gives an application many more privileges to which the application shouldn't
> need
> > > access.
> > >
> > > https://www.techspot.com/guides/1718-run-as-administrator-explained/
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:49 PM
> > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I
> should not
> > > run
> > > > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If the above is true, is there some way I can run them under my admin account without admin privs?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!!
> > > >
> > > > steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...> on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
> > > > groups3@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 PM
> > > > To: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...>
> > > > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Steve,
> > > >
> > > > APCC creates two virtual ports, one each for two instances of the AP V2 ASCOM driver. The first
> instance will
> > > > open if the application opening the driver is run in your regular user account. The second instance will
> open
> > when
> > > > an application (e.g. PHD2) has been run "as administrator".
> > > >
> > > > While this is a feature that no other ASCOM telescope driver has, it is not recommended to run
> applications "as
> > > > administrator". Thus, assuming you didn't run APCC as administrator (don't!), you should not start
> PHD2 "as
> > > > administrator".
> > > >
> > > > -Ray Gralak
> > > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > > > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:07 PM
> > > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > > Subject: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I open APCC
> > > > > connect to mount in APCC
> > > > > connect to Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC
> > > > > Open PHD2 it opens a SECOND instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> > > > >
> > > > > Now even if PHD is doing something wrong, I can't imagine two instances of the Astro-Physics V2
> driver
> > > should
> > > > be
> > > > > allowed to open on the same computer. Am I wrong? Is there ever a situation where two instances
> of the
> > Astro-
> > > > > Physics V2 driver open on the same PC is legitimate?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am running an AP-900 mount & an AP-1600 mount for the first time ever in the observatory, on the
> same
> > > > network.
> > > > > Each mount is controlled by a separate laptop, each are connected via TCP/UDP with two distinct IP
> > > addresses.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I DO NOT open an instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC and allow PHD2 to open
> an
> > > instance
> > > > > everything runs like it should.
> > > > >
> > > > > I get about two clear nights a year, software errors are bad...
> > > > > call me frustrated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > > retired software developer.
> > > > >
> > > > > p.s. I am running windows10.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Bill,

Ray, its not the licensing software, it kernel mode calls it makes in
certain cases that require it
Usually kernel mode calls are found in system drivers. Why any user level software application would need to do that type of call is
curious!

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:23 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Ray is right that turning UAC off is a security issue you should be very aware of in terms of the consequences.

As far as Voyager not needing Admin rights, I dont disagree with that at all, but that is the current state of things --
and I have made this abundantly clear to users.

Ray, its not the licensing software, it kernel mode calls it makes in certain cases that require it. Again -- not
something I think is right, but the software works so well, I am willing to live with it on a machine I dont care about,
and has no PII for me on it.

________________________________

From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto] <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:40 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got problems with
UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome.. :-)
There are many good reasons to leave UAC on, including the possibility of Ransomware locking and encrypting all
your O/S, software, and images. This can happen even without an internet connection if you install infected
software.

But, you do have everything backed up, including license keys, right? :-) It might only take a day or two to reinstall
Windows and apps and get everything reconfigured. If you are prepared for that possibility then go ahead and keep
UAC disabled.

BTW, IMO Voyager should not require admin rights. Almost all other astronomy apps do not require admin access.
Someone should ask the authors what specifically requires admin rights (I wonder if it is the licensing software they
use).

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:14 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Hi Ray,


Sorry for the delay...I missed your post this morning


Thanks for pointing this out! I've turned off the Windows UAC. Now it's working, when enabling/disabling the
"Run
as Administrator" checkbox it works.


Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got problems with
UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome.. :-)


Best regards,
Yves







Le 22/09/19 08:10, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :



Hi Yves,

I've started APCC directly from C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro to bypass
any shortcuts who may have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as
administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of APCC is still there.
Is it possible you may have turned off Windows UAC?

In Windows explorer navigate directly to "C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro" and right-click
"AstroPhysicsCommandCenter.exe" and click on the "Compatibility" tab. It should not need to have compatibility
with any particular version of Windows. The "Run as Administrator" checkbox should not be enabled. If it is,
uncheck it..

BTW, which version of Windows are you running?

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:04 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Bill,

Some clouds appeared so decided to shutdown APCC to test something.

I've started APCC directly from C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro to bypass any shortcuts who
may
have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as administrator" but the "Elevated"
mention
of
APCC is still there.

Is there a way to cancel such elevated privileges?

Regards,
Yves




Le 22/09/19 00:44, "Bill Long bill@outlook.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :



Yes it is running as admin if it says "Elevated".

Granting UAC permission to install something is not the same as its context in which it runs afterwards.


________________________________

From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Yves Laroche'
yves.laroche@videotron.ca [ap-gto] <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:40 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open


Hi Ray,


My APCC is working with an "Elevated" description at the upper left window side. Does it mean that is running
"as
administrator"?

Another thing...I always installing my software "as administrator". Does this install the software the same as
running it "as administrator"? Thanks!!!

Regards,
Yves



Le 22/09/19 00:18, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> a écrit
:



Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should
not
run
both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
This has been said a million times before but running an application on a Windows account with admin privs is
*not* the same as
running the application "as administrator".

Running an application "as administrator" runs the application under a special Windows account different from
your
user account.
Running "as administrator" gives an application many more privileges to which the application shouldn't need
access.

https://www.techspot.com/guides/1718-run-as-administrator-explained/

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:49 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should
not
run
both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?


If the above is true, is there some way I can run them under my admin account without admin privs?

Thank you!!

steve


________________________________

From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto] <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Hi Steve,

APCC creates two virtual ports, one each for two instances of the AP V2 ASCOM driver. The first instance
will
open if the application opening the driver is run in your regular user account. The second instance will open
when
an application (e.g. PHD2) has been run "as administrator".

While this is a feature that no other ASCOM telescope driver has, it is not recommended to run applications
"as
administrator". Thus, assuming you didn't run APCC as administrator (don't!), you should not start PHD2 "as
administrator".

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups...com]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:07 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



I open APCC
connect to mount in APCC
connect to Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC
Open PHD2 it opens a SECOND instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver

Now even if PHD is doing something wrong, I can't imagine two instances of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
should
be
allowed to open on the same computer. Am I wrong? Is there ever a situation where two instances of the
Astro-
Physics V2 driver open on the same PC is legitimate?

I am running an AP-900 mount & an AP-1600 mount for the first time ever in the observatory, on the same
network.
Each mount is controlled by a separate laptop, each are connected via TCP/UDP with two distinct IP
addresses.

When I DO NOT open an instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC and allow PHD2 to open an
instance
everything runs like it should.

I get about two clear nights a year, software errors are bad...
call me frustrated.

Steve
retired software developer.

p.s. I am running windows10.


















Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Peter,

Now, I am not seeing multiple instances of A-P V2 ASCOM drivers
anymore with Voyager's latest version.
It is possible that all applications are running "as administrator".

Both APCC and the driver give indications of being run "as administrator". APCC will show "Elevated" in the task header, and the driver will show "Admin" near the ASCOM logo.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 3:43 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Ray,

When I saw two instances of A-P V2 ASCOM driver with Voyager and PHD2, this was about 3 or 4 versions
behind the latest version. It's possible Voyager developer quietly fixed it in later or latest version.

Now, I am not seeing multiple instances of A-P V2 ASCOM drivers anymore with Voyager's latest version.

Voyager appears to be an excellent software and I am trying it out to test it's auto focusing to see if it's better or
more consistent than SGPro.

Will find out as soon as I can.


Peter



---In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, <groups3@...> wrote :



> Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
> astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got
problems with
> UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome. :-)



There are many good reasons to leave UAC on, including the possibility of Ransomware locking and encrypting all
your O/S, software, and images. This can happen even without an internet connection if you install infected
software.

But, you do have everything backed up, including license keys, right? :-) It might only take a day or two to reinstall
Windows and apps and get everything reconfigured. If you are prepared for that possibility then go ahead and keep
UAC disabled.

BTW, IMO Voyager should not require admin rights. Almost all other astronomy apps do not require admin access.
Someone should ask the authors what specifically requires admin rights (I wonder if it is the licensing software they
use).

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:14 PM
> To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
>
> Hi Ray,
>
>
> Sorry for the delay...I missed your post this morning
>
>
> Thanks for pointing this out! I've turned off the Windows UAC. Now it's working, when enabling/disabling
the "Run
> as Administrator" checkbox it works.
>
>
> Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
> astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got
problems with
> UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome. :-)
>
>
> Best regards,
> Yves
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 22/09/19 08:10, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
>
>
>
> Hi Yves,
>
> > I've started APCC directly from C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro to bypass
> > any shortcuts who may have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as
> > administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of APCC is still there.
>
> Is it possible you may have turned off Windows UAC?
>
> In Windows explorer navigate directly to "C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro" and right-click
> "AstroPhysicsCommandCenter.exe" and click on the "Compatibility" tab. It should not need to have
compatibility
> with any particular version of Windows. The "Run as Administrator" checkbox should not be enabled. If it
is,
> uncheck it..
>
> BTW, which version of Windows are you running?
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:04 PM
> > To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > Some clouds appeared so decided to shutdown APCC to test something.
> >
> > I've started APCC directly from C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro to bypass any
shortcuts who
> may
> > have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as administrator" but the "Elevated"
mention
> of
> > APCC is still there.
> >
> > Is there a way to cancel such elevated privileges?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Yves
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 22/09/19 00:44, "Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes it is running as admin if it says "Elevated".
> >
> > Granting UAC permission to install something is not the same as its context in which it runs afterwards.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Yves Laroche'
> > yves.laroche@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:40 PM
> > To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> > Hi Ray,
> >
> >
> > My APCC is working with an "Elevated" description at the upper left window side. Does it mean that is
running
> "as
> > administrator"?
> >
> > Another thing...I always installing my software "as administrator". Does this install the software the same
as
> > running it "as administrator"? Thanks!!!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Yves
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 22/09/19 00:18, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I
should not
> > run
> > > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> >
> > This has been said a million times before but running an application on a Windows account with admin
privs is
> > *not* the same as
> > running the application "as administrator".
> >
> > Running an application "as administrator" runs the application under a special Windows account
different from
> your
> > user account.
> > Running "as administrator" gives an application many more privileges to which the application shouldn't
need
> > access.
> >
> > https://www.techspot.com/guides/1718-run-as-administrator-explained/
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:49 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I
should not
> > run
> > > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> > >
> > >
> > > If the above is true, is there some way I can run them under my admin account without admin privs?
> > >
> > > Thank you!!
> > >
> > > steve
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
> > > groups3@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Steve,
> > >
> > > APCC creates two virtual ports, one each for two instances of the AP V2 ASCOM driver. The first
instance will
> > > open if the application opening the driver is run in your regular user account. The second instance will
open
> when
> > > an application (e.g. PHD2) has been run "as administrator".
> > >
> > > While this is a feature that no other ASCOM telescope driver has, it is not recommended to run
applications "as
> > > administrator". Thus, assuming you didn't run APCC as administrator (don't!), you should not start
PHD2 "as
> > > administrator".
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:07 PM
> > > > To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I open APCC
> > > > connect to mount in APCC
> > > > connect to Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC
> > > > Open PHD2 it opens a SECOND instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> > > >
> > > > Now even if PHD is doing something wrong, I can't imagine two instances of the Astro-Physics V2
driver
> > should
> > > be
> > > > allowed to open on the same computer. Am I wrong? Is there ever a situation where two instances
of the
> Astro-
> > > > Physics V2 driver open on the same PC is legitimate?
> > > >
> > > > I am running an AP-900 mount & an AP-1600 mount for the first time ever in the observatory, on the
same
> > > network.
> > > > Each mount is controlled by a separate laptop, each are connected via TCP/UDP with two distinct IP
> > addresses.
> > > >
> > > > When I DO NOT open an instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC and allow PHD2 to open
an
> > instance
> > > > everything runs like it should.
> > > >
> > > > I get about two clear nights a year, software errors are bad...
> > > > call me frustrated.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > > retired software developer.
> > > >
> > > > p.s. I am running windows10.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>


Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Bill Long
 

UAC reminds and tells you that something is attempting to use privileged access to your system. If you turn it off, you wont ever know it happened and will have no chance at all to intervene.  


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Yves Laroche' yves.laroche@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:14 PM
To: ap-gto@... Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
 
 

Hi Ray,


Sorry for the delay...I missed your post this morning

Thanks for pointing this out!  I've turned off the Windows UAC.  Now it's working, when enabling/disabling the "Run as Administrator" checkbox it works.

Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files.  Never got problems with UAC that was off since many years.  A good mind refresh will be welcome.  :-)

Best regards,
Yves

 



Le 22/09/19 08:10, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" a écrit :

Hi Yves,

> I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass
> any shortcuts who may have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as
> administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of APCC is still there.

Is it possible you may have turned off Windows UAC?

In Windows explorer navigate directly to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro" and right-click "AstroPhysicsCommandCenter.exe" and click on the "Compatibility" tab. It should not need to have compatibility with any particular version of Windows. The "Run as Administrator" checkbox should not be enabled. If it is, uncheck it..

BTW, which version of Windows are you running?

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:04 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Some clouds appeared so decided to shutdown APCC to test something.
>
> I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass any shortcuts who may
> have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of
> APCC is still there.
>
> Is there a way to cancel such elevated privileges?
>
> Regards,
> Yves
>
>
>
>
> Le 22/09/19 00:44, "Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> a écrit :
>
>
>
> Yes it is running as admin if it says "Elevated".
>
> Granting UAC permission to install something is not the same as its context in which it runs afterwards.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Yves Laroche'
> yves.laroche@... [ap-gto]
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:40 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
> Hi Ray,
>
>
> My APCC is working with an "Elevated" description at the upper left window side. Does it mean that is running "as
> administrator"?
>
> Another thing...I always installing my software "as administrator". Does this install the software the same as
> running it "as administrator"? Thanks!!!
>
> Regards,
> Yves
>
>
>
> Le 22/09/19 00:18, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" a écrit :
>
>
>
> > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
> run
> > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
>
> This has been said a million times before but running an application on a Windows account with admin privs is
> *not* the same as
> running the application "as administrator".
>
> Running an application "as administrator" runs the application under a special Windows account different from your
> user account.
> Running "as administrator" gives an application many more privileges to which the application shouldn't need
> access.
>
> https://www.techspot.com/guides/1718-run-as-administrator-explained/
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:49 PM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> >
> > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
> run
> > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> >
> >
> > If the above is true, is there some way I can run them under my admin account without admin privs?
> >
> > Thank you!!
> >
> > steve
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
> > groups3@... [ap-gto] > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 PM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > APCC creates two virtual ports, one each for two instances of the AP V2 ASCOM driver. The first instance will
> > open if the application opening the driver is run in your regular user account. The second instance will open when
> > an application (e.g. PHD2) has been run "as administrator".
> >
> > While this is a feature that no other ASCOM telescope driver has, it is not recommended to run applications "as
> > administrator". Thus, assuming you didn't run APCC as administrator (don't!), you should not start PHD2 "as
> > administrator".
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:07 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > Subject: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I open APCC
> > > connect to mount in APCC
> > > connect to Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC
> > > Open PHD2 it opens a SECOND instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> > >
> > > Now even if PHD is doing something wrong, I can't imagine two instances of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> should
> > be
> > > allowed to open on the same computer. Am I wrong? Is there ever a situation where two instances of the Astro-
> > > Physics V2 driver open on the same PC is legitimate?
> > >
> > > I am running an AP-900 mount & an AP-1600 mount for the first time ever in the observatory, on the same
> > network.
> > > Each mount is controlled by a separate laptop, each are connected via TCP/UDP with two distinct IP
> addresses.
> > >
> > > When I DO NOT open an instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC and allow PHD2 to open an
> instance
> > > everything runs like it should.
> > >
> > > I get about two clear nights a year, software errors are bad...
> > > call me frustrated.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > retired software developer.
> > >
> > > p.s. I am running windows10.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Bill Long
 

Ray is right that turning UAC off is a security issue you should be very aware of in terms of the consequences. 

As far as Voyager not needing Admin rights, I dont disagree with that at all, but that is the current state of things -- and I have made this abundantly clear to users. 

Ray, its not the licensing software, it kernel mode calls it makes in certain cases that require it. Again -- not something I think is right, but the software works so well, I am willing to live with it on a machine I dont care about, and has no PII for me on it.


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:40 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
 
 

> Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
> astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got problems with
> UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome. :-)

There are many good reasons to leave UAC on, including the possibility of Ransomware locking and encrypting all your O/S, software, and images. This can happen even without an internet connection if you install infected software.

But, you do have everything backed up, including license keys, right? :-) It might only take a day or two to reinstall Windows and apps and get everything reconfigured. If you are prepared for that possibility then go ahead and keep UAC disabled.

BTW, IMO Voyager should not require admin rights. Almost all other astronomy apps do not require admin access. Someone should ask the authors what specifically requires admin rights (I wonder if it is the licensing software they use).

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:14 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
>
> Hi Ray,
>
>
> Sorry for the delay...I missed your post this morning
>
>
> Thanks for pointing this out! I've turned off the Windows UAC. Now it's working, when enabling/disabling the "Run
> as Administrator" checkbox it works.
>
>
> Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
> astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got problems with
> UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome. :-)
>
>
> Best regards,
> Yves
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 22/09/19 08:10, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" a écrit :
>
>
>
> Hi Yves,
>
> > I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass
> > any shortcuts who may have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as
> > administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of APCC is still there.
>
> Is it possible you may have turned off Windows UAC?
>
> In Windows explorer navigate directly to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro" and right-click
> "AstroPhysicsCommandCenter.exe" and click on the "Compatibility" tab. It should not need to have compatibility
> with any particular version of Windows. The "Run as Administrator" checkbox should not be enabled. If it is,
> uncheck it..
>
> BTW, which version of Windows are you running?
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:04 PM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > Some clouds appeared so decided to shutdown APCC to test something.
> >
> > I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass any shortcuts who
> may
> > have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as administrator" but the "Elevated" mention
> of
> > APCC is still there.
> >
> > Is there a way to cancel such elevated privileges?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Yves
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 22/09/19 00:44, "Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]" a écrit :
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes it is running as admin if it says "Elevated".
> >
> > Granting UAC permission to install something is not the same as its context in which it runs afterwards.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Yves Laroche'
> > yves.laroche@... [ap-gto]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:40 PM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> > Hi Ray,
> >
> >
> > My APCC is working with an "Elevated" description at the upper left window side. Does it mean that is running
> "as
> > administrator"?
> >
> > Another thing...I always installing my software "as administrator". Does this install the software the same as
> > running it "as administrator"? Thanks!!!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Yves
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 22/09/19 00:18, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" > >
> >
> >
> > > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
> > run
> > > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> >
> > This has been said a million times before but running an application on a Windows account with admin privs is
> > *not* the same as
> > running the application "as administrator".
> >
> > Running an application "as administrator" runs the application under a special Windows account different from
> your
> > user account.
> > Running "as administrator" gives an application many more privileges to which the application shouldn't need
> > access.
> >
> > https://www.techspot.com/guides/1718-run-as-administrator-explained/
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:49 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
> > run
> > > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> > >
> > >
> > > If the above is true, is there some way I can run them under my admin account without admin privs?
> > >
> > > Thank you!!
> > >
> > > steve
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
> > > groups3@... [ap-gto]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Steve,
> > >
> > > APCC creates two virtual ports, one each for two instances of the AP V2 ASCOM driver. The first instance will
> > > open if the application opening the driver is run in your regular user account. The second instance will open
> when
> > > an application (e.g. PHD2) has been run "as administrator".
> > >
> > > While this is a feature that no other ASCOM telescope driver has, it is not recommended to run applications "as
> > > administrator". Thus, assuming you didn't run APCC as administrator (don't!), you should not start PHD2 "as
> > > administrator".
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups..com]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:07 PM
> > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > Subject: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I open APCC
> > > > connect to mount in APCC
> > > > connect to Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC
> > > > Open PHD2 it opens a SECOND instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> > > >
> > > > Now even if PHD is doing something wrong, I can't imagine two instances of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> > should
> > > be
> > > > allowed to open on the same computer. Am I wrong? Is there ever a situation where two instances of the
> Astro-
> > > > Physics V2 driver open on the same PC is legitimate?
> > > >
> > > > I am running an AP-900 mount & an AP-1600 mount for the first time ever in the observatory, on the same
> > > network.
> > > > Each mount is controlled by a separate laptop, each are connected via TCP/UDP with two distinct IP
> > addresses.
> > > >
> > > > When I DO NOT open an instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC and allow PHD2 to open an
> > instance
> > > > everything runs like it should.
> > > >
> > > > I get about two clear nights a year, software errors are bad...
> > > > call me frustrated.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > > retired software developer.
> > > >
> > > > p.s. I am running windows10.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>


Re: Fiery Lobster Nebula

Steven Panish
 

Wow!


On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 12:46 AM slawomirlipinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I thought it won't hurt sharing - my image of the Lobster Nebula taken from the the tropics with a 4" and Mach1 caught judges attention in this year's Insight Astrophotographer of the Year competition - it is the seventh image from the top: https://www.rmg.co.uk/whats-on/astronomy-photographer-year/galleries/2019/stars-and-nebulae

And a direct link: https://www.rmg.co.uk/sites/default/files/Fiery%20Lobster%20Nebula%20©%20Suavi%20Lipinski.jpg

Cliear skies
Suavi


Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

topboxman
 

Ray,

When I saw two instances of A-P V2 ASCOM driver with Voyager and PHD2, this was about 3 or 4 versions behind the latest version. It's possible Voyager developer quietly fixed it in later or latest version.

Now, I am not seeing multiple instances of A-P V2 ASCOM drivers anymore with Voyager's latest version.

Voyager appears to be an excellent software and I am trying it out to test it's auto focusing to see if it's better or more consistent than SGPro.

Will find out as soon as I can.

Peter


---In ap-gto@..., <groups3@...> wrote :

> Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
> astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got problems with
> UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome. :-)

There are many good reasons to leave UAC on, including the possibility of Ransomware locking and encrypting all your O/S, software, and images. This can happen even without an internet connection if you install infected software.

But, you do have everything backed up, including license keys, right? :-) It might only take a day or two to reinstall Windows and apps and get everything reconfigured. If you are prepared for that possibility then go ahead and keep UAC disabled.

BTW, IMO Voyager should not require admin rights. Almost all other astronomy apps do not require admin access. Someone should ask the authors what specifically requires admin rights (I wonder if it is the licensing software they use).

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:14 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
>
> Hi Ray,
>
>
> Sorry for the delay...I missed your post this morning
>
>
> Thanks for pointing this out! I've turned off the Windows UAC. Now it's working, when enabling/disabling the "Run
> as Administrator" checkbox it works.
>
>
> Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
> astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got problems with
> UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome. :-)
>
>
> Best regards,
> Yves
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 22/09/19 08:10, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> a écrit :
>
>
>
> Hi Yves,
>
> > I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass
> > any shortcuts who may have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as
> > administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of APCC is still there.
>
> Is it possible you may have turned off Windows UAC?
>
> In Windows explorer navigate directly to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro" and right-click
> "AstroPhysicsCommandCenter.exe" and click on the "Compatibility" tab. It should not need to have compatibility
> with any particular version of Windows. The "Run as Administrator" checkbox should not be enabled. If it is,
> uncheck it..
>
> BTW, which version of Windows are you running?
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:04 PM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > Some clouds appeared so decided to shutdown APCC to test something.
> >
> > I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass any shortcuts who
> may
> > have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as administrator" but the "Elevated" mention
> of
> > APCC is still there.
> >
> > Is there a way to cancel such elevated privileges?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Yves
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 22/09/19 00:44, "Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> a écrit :
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes it is running as admin if it says "Elevated".
> >
> > Granting UAC permission to install something is not the same as its context in which it runs afterwards.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...> on behalf of 'Yves Laroche'
> > yves.laroche@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:40 PM
> > To: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...>
> > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> > Hi Ray,
> >
> >
> > My APCC is working with an "Elevated" description at the upper left window side. Does it mean that is running
> "as
> > administrator"?
> >
> > Another thing...I always installing my software "as administrator". Does this install the software the same as
> > running it "as administrator"? Thanks!!!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Yves
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 22/09/19 00:18, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> a écrit :
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
> > run
> > > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> >
> > This has been said a million times before but running an application on a Windows account with admin privs is
> > *not* the same as
> > running the application "as administrator".
> >
> > Running an application "as administrator" runs the application under a special Windows account different from
> your
> > user account.
> > Running "as administrator" gives an application many more privileges to which the application shouldn't need
> > access.
> >
> > https://www.techspot.com/guides/1718-run-as-administrator-explained/
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:49 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
> > run
> > > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> > >
> > >
> > > If the above is true, is there some way I can run them under my admin account without admin privs?
> > >
> > > Thank you!!
> > >
> > > steve
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...> on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
> > > groups3@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...>
> > > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Steve,
> > >
> > > APCC creates two virtual ports, one each for two instances of the AP V2 ASCOM driver. The first instance will
> > > open if the application opening the driver is run in your regular user account. The second instance will open
> when
> > > an application (e.g. PHD2) has been run "as administrator".
> > >
> > > While this is a feature that no other ASCOM telescope driver has, it is not recommended to run applications "as
> > > administrator". Thus, assuming you didn't run APCC as administrator (don't!), you should not start PHD2 "as
> > > administrator".
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:07 PM
> > > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > > Subject: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I open APCC
> > > > connect to mount in APCC
> > > > connect to Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC
> > > > Open PHD2 it opens a SECOND instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> > > >
> > > > Now even if PHD is doing something wrong, I can't imagine two instances of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> > should
> > > be
> > > > allowed to open on the same computer. Am I wrong? Is there ever a situation where two instances of the
> Astro-
> > > > Physics V2 driver open on the same PC is legitimate?
> > > >
> > > > I am running an AP-900 mount & an AP-1600 mount for the first time ever in the observatory, on the same
> > > network.
> > > > Each mount is controlled by a separate laptop, each are connected via TCP/UDP with two distinct IP
> > addresses.
> > > >
> > > > When I DO NOT open an instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC and allow PHD2 to open an
> > instance
> > > > everything runs like it should.
> > > >
> > > > I get about two clear nights a year, software errors are bad...
> > > > call me frustrated.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > > retired software developer.
> > > >
> > > > p.s. I am running windows10.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>


Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Ray Gralak
 

Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got problems with
UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome. :-)
There are many good reasons to leave UAC on, including the possibility of Ransomware locking and encrypting all your O/S, software, and images. This can happen even without an internet connection if you install infected software.

But, you do have everything backed up, including license keys, right? :-) It might only take a day or two to reinstall Windows and apps and get everything reconfigured. If you are prepared for that possibility then go ahead and keep UAC disabled.

BTW, IMO Voyager should not require admin rights. Almost all other astronomy apps do not require admin access. Someone should ask the authors what specifically requires admin rights (I wonder if it is the licensing software they use).

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:14 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Hi Ray,


Sorry for the delay...I missed your post this morning


Thanks for pointing this out! I've turned off the Windows UAC. Now it's working, when enabling/disabling the "Run
as Administrator" checkbox it works.


Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated
astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files. Never got problems with
UAC that was off since many years. A good mind refresh will be welcome. :-)


Best regards,
Yves







Le 22/09/19 08:10, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :



Hi Yves,

I've started APCC directly from C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro to bypass
any shortcuts who may have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as
administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of APCC is still there.
Is it possible you may have turned off Windows UAC?

In Windows explorer navigate directly to "C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro" and right-click
"AstroPhysicsCommandCenter.exe" and click on the "Compatibility" tab. It should not need to have compatibility
with any particular version of Windows. The "Run as Administrator" checkbox should not be enabled. If it is,
uncheck it..

BTW, which version of Windows are you running?

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:04 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Bill,

Some clouds appeared so decided to shutdown APCC to test something.

I've started APCC directly from C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro to bypass any shortcuts who
may
have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as administrator" but the "Elevated" mention
of
APCC is still there.

Is there a way to cancel such elevated privileges?

Regards,
Yves




Le 22/09/19 00:44, "Bill Long bill@outlook.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :



Yes it is running as admin if it says "Elevated".

Granting UAC permission to install something is not the same as its context in which it runs afterwards.


________________________________

From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Yves Laroche'
yves.laroche@videotron.ca [ap-gto] <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:40 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open


Hi Ray,


My APCC is working with an "Elevated" description at the upper left window side. Does it mean that is running
"as
administrator"?

Another thing...I always installing my software "as administrator". Does this install the software the same as
running it "as administrator"? Thanks!!!

Regards,
Yves



Le 22/09/19 00:18, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :



Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
run
both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
This has been said a million times before but running an application on a Windows account with admin privs is
*not* the same as
running the application "as administrator".

Running an application "as administrator" runs the application under a special Windows account different from
your
user account.
Running "as administrator" gives an application many more privileges to which the application shouldn't need
access.

https://www.techspot.com/guides/1718-run-as-administrator-explained/

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:49 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
run
both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?


If the above is true, is there some way I can run them under my admin account without admin privs?

Thank you!!

steve


________________________________

From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto] <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Hi Steve,

APCC creates two virtual ports, one each for two instances of the AP V2 ASCOM driver. The first instance will
open if the application opening the driver is run in your regular user account. The second instance will open
when
an application (e.g. PHD2) has been run "as administrator".

While this is a feature that no other ASCOM telescope driver has, it is not recommended to run applications "as
administrator". Thus, assuming you didn't run APCC as administrator (don't!), you should not start PHD2 "as
administrator".

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:07 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



I open APCC
connect to mount in APCC
connect to Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC
Open PHD2 it opens a SECOND instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver

Now even if PHD is doing something wrong, I can't imagine two instances of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
should
be
allowed to open on the same computer. Am I wrong? Is there ever a situation where two instances of the
Astro-
Physics V2 driver open on the same PC is legitimate?

I am running an AP-900 mount & an AP-1600 mount for the first time ever in the observatory, on the same
network.
Each mount is controlled by a separate laptop, each are connected via TCP/UDP with two distinct IP
addresses.

When I DO NOT open an instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC and allow PHD2 to open an
instance
everything runs like it should.

I get about two clear nights a year, software errors are bad...
call me frustrated.

Steve
retired software developer.

p.s. I am running windows10.
















Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Wayne Hixson
 

Peter, from the Voyager Wiki:

Important Note!  For Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 users: Voyager has to run with administrator privileges so it can communicate with other software. The installation program attempts to set administrator privileges but it is a good idea to confirm this was successful. The next instructions tell you how to do this.


On Sep 22, 2019, at 2:14 PM, 'Yves Laroche' yves.laroche@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ray,


Sorry for the delay...I missed your post this morning

Thanks for pointing this out!  I've turned off the Windows UAC.  Now it's working, when enabling/disabling the "Run as Administrator" checkbox it works.

Would you mind in giving me a good reason why I shouldn't turned off the Windows UAC for my dedicated astronomy computer without the fact that some intrusive softwares may harm my files.  Never got problems with UAC that was off since many years.  A good mind refresh will be welcome.  :-)

Best regards,
Yves

 



Le 22/09/19 08:10, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> a écrit :

Hi Yves,

> I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass
> any shortcuts who may have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as
> administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of APCC is still there.

Is it possible you may have turned off Windows UAC?

In Windows explorer navigate directly to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro" and right-click "AstroPhysicsCommandCenter.exe" and click on the "Compatibility" tab. It should not need to have compatibility with any particular version of Windows. The "Run as Administrator" checkbox should not be enabled. If it is, uncheck it..

BTW, which version of Windows are you running?

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:04 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Some clouds appeared so decided to shutdown APCC to test something.
>
> I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass any shortcuts who may
> have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of
> APCC is still there.
>
> Is there a way to cancel such elevated privileges?
>
> Regards,
> Yves
>
>
>
>
> Le 22/09/19 00:44, "Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> a écrit :
>
>
>
> Yes it is running as admin if it says "Elevated".
>
> Granting UAC permission to install something is not the same as its context in which it runs afterwards.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...> on behalf of 'Yves Laroche'
> yves.laroche@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:40 PM
> To: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...>
> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
> Hi Ray,
>
>
> My APCC is working with an "Elevated" description at the upper left window side. Does it mean that is running "as
> administrator"?
>
> Another thing...I always installing my software "as administrator". Does this install the software the same as
> running it "as administrator"? Thanks!!!
>
> Regards,
> Yves
>
>
>
> Le 22/09/19 00:18, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...> a écrit :
>
>
>
> > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
> run
> > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
>
> This has been said a million times before but running an application on a Windows account with admin privs is
> *not* the same as
> running the application "as administrator".
>
> Running an application "as administrator" runs the application under a special Windows account different from your
> user account.
> Running "as administrator" gives an application many more privileges to which the application shouldn't need
> access.
>
> https://www.techspot.com/guides/1718-run-as-administrator-explained/
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:49 PM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> >
> > Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
> run
> > both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
> >
> >
> > If the above is true, is there some way I can run them under my admin account without admin privs?
> >
> > Thank you!!
> >
> > steve
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...> on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
> > groups3@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 PM
> > To: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...>
> > Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > APCC creates two virtual ports, one each for two instances of the AP V2 ASCOM driver. The first instance will
> > open if the application opening the driver is run in your regular user account. The second instance will open when
> > an application (e.g. PHD2) has been run "as administrator".
> >
> > While this is a feature that no other ASCOM telescope driver has, it is not recommended to run applications "as
> > administrator". Thus, assuming you didn't run APCC as administrator (don't!), you should not start PHD2 "as
> > administrator".
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> > physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> > Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> > Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:07 PM
> > > To: ap-gto@...
> > > Subject: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I open APCC
> > > connect to mount in APCC
> > > connect to Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC
> > > Open PHD2 it opens a SECOND instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> > >
> > > Now even if PHD is doing something wrong, I can't imagine two instances of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> should
> > be
> > > allowed to open on the same computer. Am I wrong? Is there ever a situation where two instances of the Astro-
> > > Physics V2 driver open on the same PC is legitimate?
> > >
> > > I am running an AP-900 mount & an AP-1600 mount for the first time ever in the observatory, on the same
> > network.
> > > Each mount is controlled by a separate laptop, each are connected via TCP/UDP with two distinct IP
> addresses.
> > >
> > > When I DO NOT open an instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC and allow PHD2 to open an
> instance
> > > everything runs like it should.
> > >
> > > I get about two clear nights a year, software errors are bad...
> > > call me frustrated.
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Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Yves Laroche
 


Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

topboxman
 

Hi Wayne,

Thanks for the suggestion.

I set Voyager to run as administrator and now I am seeing one instance of A-P V2 ASCOM driver when Voyager and PHD2 connects to A-P mount.

Then I disabled "Run as administrator" for Voyager and I am still seeing one instance of A-P V2 ASCOM driver when Voyager and PHD2 connects to A-P mount.

I rebooted my laptop and made sure Voyager is NOT set to run as administrator and I am still seeing one instance of A-P V2 ASCOM driver when Voyager and PHD2 connects to A-P mount.

Well, I am not complaining.

Peter


Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Wayne Hixson
 

The way I understand it, Voyager needs to run in Admin mode to allow it to connect/manage the other apps it used. As such it will open the driver in admin mode if connecting directly. Other apps like TSX will connect through a driver instance in normal mode. I’ve not had a problem when doing this. 

Wayne


On Sep 22, 2019, at 9:58 AM, pnagy@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Is it bad to have two or more instances of A-P V2 ASCOM driver open?

I have switched to Voyager automation software but not yet image with it. I also see two instances of A-P V2 ASCOM driver. Never saw this with SGPro. I have been learning to use Voyager indoors.

Here is what I did:

1) Double click Voyager icon on Desktop screen.
2) Open "Startup" window of Voyager.
3) Click on "Connect" to connect all devices (mount, camera, focuser, PHD2, etc.).
4) It first connects to my A-P1100 mount and the instance of A-P V2 ASCOM driver is opened.
5) Eventually Voyager will start PHD2 and connects to my A-P1100 mount and the second instance of A-P V2 ASCOM driver is opened.

So what did I do wrong?

Reverting back to SGP, only one instance of A-P V2 ASCOM driver is opened including both SGP and PHD2 connecting to A-P1100 mount.

I think I blame it on Voyager for now. But what is the danger of having multiple instances of A-P V2 ASCOM driver open? For example, if I have two instances opened and want to set Meridian Delay to 6 hours in one instance, would the second instance see the new Meridian Delay setting from the first instance or would I have to also set Meridian Delay in second instance to match the first instance?

I have never ever deal with this "administrator" crap before in my over 30 years of working with Windows and I don't always fully understand the meaning of it.

Peter


Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

topboxman
 

Is it bad to have two or more instances of A-P V2 ASCOM driver open?

I have switched to Voyager automation software but not yet image with it. I also see two instances of A-P V2 ASCOM driver. Never saw this with SGPro. I have been learning to use Voyager indoors.

Here is what I did:

1) Double click Voyager icon on Desktop screen.
2) Open "Startup" window of Voyager.
3) Click on "Connect" to connect all devices (mount, camera, focuser, PHD2, etc.).
4) It first connects to my A-P1100 mount and the instance of A-P V2 ASCOM driver is opened.
5) Eventually Voyager will start PHD2 and connects to my A-P1100 mount and the second instance of A-P V2 ASCOM driver is opened.

So what did I do wrong?

Reverting back to SGP, only one instance of A-P V2 ASCOM driver is opened including both SGP and PHD2 connecting to A-P1100 mount.

I think I blame it on Voyager for now. But what is the danger of having multiple instances of A-P V2 ASCOM driver open? For example, if I have two instances opened and want to set Meridian Delay to 6 hours in one instance, would the second instance see the new Meridian Delay setting from the first instance or would I have to also set Meridian Delay in second instance to match the first instance?

I have never ever deal with this "administrator" crap before in my over 30 years of working with Windows and I don't always fully understand the meaning of it.

Peter


Re: Fiery Lobster Nebula

Stuart Heggie <stuart.j.heggie@...>
 

Congrats Suavi! Beautiful image. And, you're keeping mighty fine company on that page - wow!


On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 at 00:46, slawomirlipinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I thought it won't hurt sharing - my image of the Lobster Nebula taken from the the tropics with a 4" and Mach1 caught judges attention in this year's Insight Astrophotographer of the Year competition - it is the seventh image from the top: https://www.rmg.co.uk/whats-on/astronomy-photographer-year/galleries/2019/stars-and-nebulae

And a direct link: https://www.rmg.co.uk/sites/default/files/Fiery%20Lobster%20Nebula%20©%20Suavi%20Lipinski.jpg

Cliear skies
Suavi


Re: Fiery Lobster Nebula

Michael Turner
 

Suavi,

The first link works OK.

The second link fails:

The requested URL "/sites/default/files/Fiery%20Lobster%20Nebula%20%C3%82%C2%A9%20Suavi%20Lipinski.jpg" was not found on this server.

Michael


At 09:35 PM 9/21/2019, you wrote:
 

Hi all,

I thought it won't hurt sharing - my image of the Lobster Nebula taken from the the tropics with a 4" and Mach1 caught judges attention in this year's Insight Astrophotographer of the Year competition - it is the seventh image from the top: https://www.rmg.co.uk/whats-on/astronomy-photographer-year/galleries/2019/stars-and-nebulae

And a direct link: https://www.rmg.co.uk/sites/default/files/Fiery%20Lobster%20Nebula%20©%20Suavi%20Lipinski.jpg

Cliear skies
Suavi



Re: Fiery Lobster Nebula

steven ho
 

Suavi that Lobster is really nice!! Great work.


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of slawomirlipinski@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 12:35 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] Fiery Lobster Nebula
 
 

Hi all,

I thought it won't hurt sharing - my image of the Lobster Nebula taken from the the tropics with a 4" and Mach1 caught judges attention in this year's Insight Astrophotographer of the Year competition - it is the seventh image from the top: https://www.rmg.co.uk/whats-on/astronomy-photographer-year/galleries/2019/stars-and-nebulae

And a direct link: https://www.rmg.co.uk/sites/default/files/Fiery%20Lobster%20Nebula%20©%20Suavi%20Lipinski.jpg

Cliear skies
Suavi


Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Yves,

I've started APCC directly from C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro to bypass
any shortcuts who may have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as
administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of APCC is still there.
Is it possible you may have turned off Windows UAC?

In Windows explorer navigate directly to "C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro" and right-click "AstroPhysicsCommandCenter.exe" and click on the "Compatibility" tab. It should not need to have compatibility with any particular version of Windows. The "Run as Administrator" checkbox should not be enabled. If it is, uncheck it.

BTW, which version of Windows are you running?

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:04 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Bill,

Some clouds appeared so decided to shutdown APCC to test something.

I've started APCC directly from C:&#92;Program Files (x86)&#92;Astro-Physics&#92;APCC Pro to bypass any shortcuts who may
have "run as administrator". The executable properties has no "run as administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of
APCC is still there.

Is there a way to cancel such elevated privileges?

Regards,
Yves




Le 22/09/19 00:44, "Bill Long bill@outlook.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :



Yes it is running as admin if it says "Elevated".

Granting UAC permission to install something is not the same as its context in which it runs afterwards.


________________________________

From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Yves Laroche'
yves.laroche@videotron.ca [ap-gto] <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:40 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open


Hi Ray,


My APCC is working with an "Elevated" description at the upper left window side. Does it mean that is running "as
administrator"?

Another thing...I always installing my software "as administrator". Does this install the software the same as
running it "as administrator"? Thanks!!!

Regards,
Yves



Le 22/09/19 00:18, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :



Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
run
both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
This has been said a million times before but running an application on a Windows account with admin privs is
*not* the same as
running the application "as administrator".

Running an application "as administrator" runs the application under a special Windows account different from your
user account.
Running "as administrator" gives an application many more privileges to which the application shouldn't need
access.

https://www.techspot.com/guides/1718-run-as-administrator-explained/

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:49 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not
run
both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?


If the above is true, is there some way I can run them under my admin account without admin privs?

Thank you!!

steve


________________________________

From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto] <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



Hi Steve,

APCC creates two virtual ports, one each for two instances of the AP V2 ASCOM driver. The first instance will
open if the application opening the driver is run in your regular user account. The second instance will open when
an application (e.g. PHD2) has been run "as administrator".

While this is a feature that no other ASCOM telescope driver has, it is not recommended to run applications "as
administrator". Thus, assuming you didn't run APCC as administrator (don't!), you should not start PHD2 "as
administrator".

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:07 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open



I open APCC
connect to mount in APCC
connect to Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC
Open PHD2 it opens a SECOND instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver

Now even if PHD is doing something wrong, I can't imagine two instances of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
should
be
allowed to open on the same computer. Am I wrong? Is there ever a situation where two instances of the Astro-
Physics V2 driver open on the same PC is legitimate?

I am running an AP-900 mount & an AP-1600 mount for the first time ever in the observatory, on the same
network.
Each mount is controlled by a separate laptop, each are connected via TCP/UDP with two distinct IP
addresses.

When I DO NOT open an instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC and allow PHD2 to open an
instance
everything runs like it should.

I get about two clear nights a year, software errors are bad.
call me frustrated.

Steve
retired software developer.

p.s. I am running windows10.














Re: Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Bill Long
 

No, it should not. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Yves Laroche' yves.laroche@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:34 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
 
 

Maybe installing the software "as administrator" can cause another kind of behaviour.


Yves




Le 22/09/19 01:30, "Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]" a écrit :

Then it should not run under admin context. 



From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Yves Laroche' yves.laroche@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:25 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re : Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Bill,


It was already unchecked.

Yves



Le 22/09/19 01:24, "Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]" a écrit :

I just tested the same thing. 

Right click on the EXE, and go to compatibility and uncheck "Run as Administrator". 



From: ap-gto@yahoogroups...com on behalf of Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:16 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

What version of APCC Pro?



From: ap-gto@yahoogroups...com on behalf of 'Yves Laroche' yves.laroche@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:04 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Bill,


Some clouds appeared so decided to shutdown APCC to test something.

I've started APCC directly from C:\Program Files (x86)\Astro-Physics\APCC Pro to bypass any shortcuts who may have "run as administrator".  The executable properties has no "run as administrator" but the "Elevated" mention of APCC is still there.

Is there a way to cancel such elevated privileges?

Regards,
Yves




Le 22/09/19 00:44, "Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]" a écrit :

Yes it is running as admin if it says "Elevated".

Granting UAC permission to install something is not the same as its context in which it runs afterwards.



From: ap-gto@yahoogroups..com on behalf of 'Yves Laroche' yves.laroche@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:40 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open

Hi Ray,


My APCC is working with an "Elevated" description at the upper left window side.  Does it mean that is running "as administrator"?

Another thing...I always installing my software "as administrator".  Does this install the software the same as running it "as administrator"?  Thanks!!! 

Regards,
Yves



Le 22/09/19 00:18, "'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto]" a écrit :

> Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not run
> both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?

This has been said a million times before but running an application on a Windows account with admin privs is *not* the same as
running the application "as administrator".

Running an application "as administrator" runs the application under a special Windows account different from your user account.
Running "as administrator" gives an application many more privileges to which the application shouldn't need access.

https://www.techspot.com/guides/1718-run-as-administrator-explained/

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:49 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
>
> Ray I have Windows Pro and have always been an admin on my own machine, so are you saying I should not run
> both APCC & PHD2 without admin level privs?
>
>
> If the above is true, is there some way I can run them under my admin account without admin privs?
>
> Thank you!!
>
> steve
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: ap-gto@... on behalf of 'Ray Gralak (Groups)'
> groups3@... [ap-gto]
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
>
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> APCC creates two virtual ports, one each for two instances of the AP V2 ASCOM driver. The first instance will
> open if the application opening the driver is run in your regular user account. The second instance will open when
> an application (e.g. PHD2) has been run "as administrator".
>
> While this is a feature that no other ASCOM telescope driver has, it is not recommended to run applications "as
> administrator". Thus, assuming you didn't run APCC as administrator (don't!), you should not start PHD2 "as
> administrator".
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:07 PM
> > To: ap-gto@...
> > Subject: [ap-gto] Two instances of Astro-Physics V2 driver open
> >
> >
> >
> > I open APCC
> > connect to mount in APCC
> > connect to Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC
> > Open PHD2 it opens a SECOND instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver
> >
> > Now even if PHD is doing something wrong, I can't imagine two instances of the Astro-Physics V2 driver should
> be
> > allowed to open on the same computer. Am I wrong? Is there ever a situation where two instances of the Astro-
> > Physics V2 driver open on the same PC is legitimate?
> >
> > I am running an AP-900 mount & an AP-1600 mount for the first time ever in the observatory, on the same
> network.
> > Each mount is controlled by a separate laptop, each are connected via TCP/UDP with two distinct IP addresses.
> >
> > When I DO NOT open an instance of the Astro-Physics V2 driver in APCC and allow PHD2 to open an instance
> > everything runs like it should.
> >
> > I get about two clear nights a year, software errors are bad.
> > call me frustrated.
> >
> > Steve
> > retired software developer.
> >
> > p.s. I am running windows10.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>








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