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Re: Mach2 update and discussion of features

Bill Long
 

This same adapter also works with the AP1100 as well. When I was using Polemaster (no longer, I use a well-calibrated RAPAS now) the adapter worked perfectly. 


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Tim,

The Mach2 is threaded for the QHY AP900 adapter, so it will be plug and play. I updated the website with a CAD drawing to show how slick this will be.. Also updated the features list.

Clear Skies,

Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Rd
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
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I don’t know what the Mach2 looks like but I designed and made this for the Pole Master on a Mach1.

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Here is the design if it works and you want to get it 3D printed:

https://cad.onshape.com/documents/6399e6c65d7ca220918c69e8/w/d68b250f8767100c43389209/e/91882ebb44b3b26c6c192228


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Re: Mach2 update and discussion of features

 

Tim,

The Mach2 is threaded for the QHY AP900 adapter, so it will be plug and play. I updated the website with a CAD drawing to show how slick this will be. Also updated the features list.

Clear Skies,

Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Rd
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com

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I don’t know what the Mach2 looks like but I designed and made this for the Pole Master on a Mach1.

[312255429_ScreenShot2019-03-16at11_17_36.png.bfea115ff13f7dcdb4c5f7c422ddbf56.png]

Here is the design if it works and you want to get it 3D printed:

https://cad.onshape.com/documents/6399e6c65d7ca220918c69e8/w/d68b250f8767100c43389209/e/91882ebb44b3b26c6c192228


[IMG_1233.thumb.jpg.aec40f54bc548d7264e57405604f18e2.jpg]



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Re: New file uploaded to ap-gto

Roland Christen
 

It works now.

Rolando



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Link doesn't work.

Rolando



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Re: M33 Finally a new moon and clear skies

steven ho
 

It does suck down the photons.


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Your big 17 will run circles around my 10. Almost 3 times the light grasp, your 17. Blush

Rolando



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Thank you Roland. Can I please have your Mak? Please!!


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WoW! That big scope is really smokin'

Just for comparison I imaged NGC604 which is one of the nebulae in the spiral arms of M33. That image was done about 25 years ago.

http://www.csun.edu/~rprovin/roland/ngc604.html

This image was done with one of the first CCD cameras, an ST10, which is crude by today's standards. I also didn't have narrowband filters in those days. I used my 10" F14.6 Mak at 3708mm focal length on a 900 mount (non Goto servo drive). Nowadays we are lucky to have much better equipment, in fact i plan to re-image that object from my light polluted observatory at some point, using that original 10" Mak and a much more sensitive CCD camera.

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Re: New file uploaded to ap-gto

Roland Christen
 

Link doesn't work.

Rolando



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Re: M33 Finally a new moon and clear skies

steven ho
 

Yeah but the FL!!


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Your big 17 will run circles around my 10. Almost 3 times the light grasp, your 17. Blush

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Thank you Roland. Can I please have your Mak? Please!!


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WoW! That big scope is really smokin'

Just for comparison I imaged NGC604 which is one of the nebulae in the spiral arms of M33. That image was done about 25 years ago.

http://www.csun.edu/~rprovin/roland/ngc604.html

This image was done with one of the first CCD cameras, an ST10, which is crude by today's standards. I also didn't have narrowband filters in those days. I used my 10" F14.6 Mak at 3708mm focal length on a 900 mount (non Goto servo drive). Nowadays we are lucky to have much better equipment, in fact i plan to re-image that object from my light polluted observatory at some point, using that original 10" Mak and a much more sensitive CCD camera.

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Re: M33 Finally a new moon and clear skies

Roland Christen
 

Your big 17 will run circles around my 10. Almost 3 times the light grasp, your 17. Blush

Rolando



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Thank you Roland. Can I please have your Mak? Please!!


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WoW! That big scope is really smokin'

Just for comparison I imaged NGC604 which is one of the nebulae in the spiral arms of M33. That image was done about 25 years ago.

http://www.csun.edu/~rprovin/roland/ngc604.html

This image was done with one of the first CCD cameras, an ST10, which is crude by today's standards. I also didn't have narrowband filters in those days. I used my 10" F14.6 Mak at 3708mm focal length on a 900 mount (non Goto servo drive). Nowadays we are lucky to have much better equipment, in fact i plan to re-image that object from my light polluted observatory at some point, using that original 10" Mak and a much more sensitive CCD camera.

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Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Joe Zeglinski
 

    Certainly seems reasonable.
 
    So, comparing RADMIN to TeamViewer, besides our telescope, our family  and friends we help remotely, would each have to pay their own  one-time fee, so we could login to help them with PC’s as needed. For a remote telescope, its PC would have to be a server with RADMIN license  at each end, in order to login to control it, plus one more copy at home, to access home PC files when we visit the remote site for service, or from any other location. This begins to add up somewhat, and get complicated.
 
    But may be better than other options.
Joe
 

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Re: M33 Finally a new moon and clear skies

steven ho
 

Thank you Roland. Can I please have your Mak? Please!!


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WoW! That big scope is really smokin'

Just for comparison I imaged NGC604 which is one of the nebulae in the spiral arms of M33. That image was done about 25 years ago.

http://www.csun.edu/~rprovin/roland/ngc604.html

This image was done with one of the first CCD cameras, an ST10, which is crude by today's standards. I also didn't have narrowband filters in those days. I used my 10" F14.6 Mak at 3708mm focal length on a 900 mount (non Goto servo drive). Nowadays we are lucky to have much better equipment, in fact i plan to re-image that object from my light polluted observatory at some point, using that original 10" Mak and a much more sensitive CCD camera.

Rolando



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Re: M33 Finally a new moon and clear skies

Roland Christen
 

WoW! That big scope is really smokin'

Just for comparison I imaged NGC604 which is one of the nebulae in the spiral arms of M33. That image was done about 25 years ago.

http://www.csun.edu/~rprovin/roland/ngc604.html

This image was done with one of the first CCD cameras, an ST10, which is crude by today's standards. I also didn't have narrowband filters in those days. I used my 10" F14.6 Mak at 3708mm focal length on a 900 mount (non Goto servo drive). Nowadays we are lucky to have much better equipment, in fact i plan to re-image that object from my light polluted observatory at some point, using that original 10" Mak and a much more sensitive CCD camera.

Rolando



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M33 Finally a new moon and clear skies

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Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Steve Reilly
 

Your Radmin purchase will include:

·         Perpetual licensing, one-time fee

·         Minor upgrades

·         Free Radmin Viewer: system administrators and users may access their remote computers from anywhere

·         Free Radmin mass deployment and setup tools

·         Technical support via ticket system

·         No hidden costs

 

 

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Ray, it is not clear on the Radmin site. Is that a $49 - one time - purchase, or is it yearly or monthly?

 

Looks good!

 

I have been using Remote Utilities for a while now - direct local LAN with a free license. But after the TV fiasco, I'm, leery of "FREE".


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

George LaBelle
 

Ray, it is not clear on the Radmin site. Is that a $49 - one time - purchase, or is it yearly or monthly?

Looks good!

I have been using Remote Utilities for a while now - direct local LAN with a free license. But after the TV fiasco, I'm, leery of "FREE".


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

steven ho
 

Joe sorry for butting in but I may have experienced the same issue, not exactly sure. But my issue was fixed when I switch from a TCP to a UDP connection. Then if the network threw a hissy fit it would calm down in a minute or two without loosing connection to the mount which made it go into a "parked" state.

steve


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Hi Ross,
 
    I just tried Win-10 Pro connection via the Microsoft RDP WiFi to link to a Win-7 PRO laptop 10 feet away – and the initial connection to the (remote, scope PC) works fine.
 
    However, the target, (e.g. scope) laptop logs out its user back to the Win-10 Login screen. That means I have to spend precious seconds/minutes to log back in from there, password etc., In a scope control  emergency such as a potential pier collision, there is no time for all that fallder-all.
Meanwhile, the originating desktop RDP session user window gets logged off (still having the remote desktop screen in view, but dead), and I get the following error message ...
 
Your Remote Desktop Services session has ended.
Another user connected to the remote computer, so your connection was lost. Try connecting
again, or contact your network admin or tech support group
 
    So, RDP is fine controlling the scope from one side of the link , but not like TeamViewer, or TightVNC, which keep BOTH PC’s sessions live, with active user control at both ends,  and commands can be entered from either keyboard, and either mouse.
I would consider MS RDP, but this is the way it has always worked, ever since Win-XP PRO days – i.e.  badly.
Microsoft didn’t complete the job on this, and certainly no good reason for insisting on the PRO version premium.
However, I recall I could link to the remote via Browser to  scope PC’s  IP link - without the need of messing with the remote’s Router Port setup,  from a really distant remote – but that would be a really risky “sneakers run, LAN” link, if something goes south.
 
    Ross, perhaps I am missing something in Microsoft RDP setup, or is this the “normal” way RDP is used – from one side only, no shared session?
 
Joe
 
 
 
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You can turn off TV, or at least I can by simply killing it in task manager. There are 4 processes. I killed them as an experiment about 45 minutes ago and it's still missing from the Processes Tab. FWIW, the Icon is missing as well from the taskbar area. There's no sign of it at all. I assume when I reboot my system it will reappear. I run Version 14 on Win 10 Pro.

I use RDP all the time without any issues. At my local observatory I have three sessions running at once as I have 3 computers that I need to keep track of. I'm not sure what is meant by keeping the mouse/keyboard active. Maybe you mean that you have to click to return to your local desktop? 

As far as "free" there's chrome desktop which works fine as long as you are happy with just one screen to use.

Rgrds-Ross

 

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Hi Dale,
 
    You may be right, but not wrt. AP’s TV commercial account. If your example worked that way for a commercial TV license owner, then THEIR product would stop selling, and that would be a bitter lesson at $600 a seat. I suppose, if we didn’t have a TV license for AP to login, then we as the customer in trouble, would have to login to the AP TV web link – that’s the way Microsoft uses LogMeIn.
 
    I (somewhat) suspect that either a “TV new hire”  software developer or marketing guy, screwed up royally, or some of these competing  “tech support software” companies are acting quite juvenile, and purposely leaving “dirt” behind after a visit, especially when their support visit revealed the presence of their competitor like TeamViewer. A subsequent use of TV, triggers a “commercial use” ban. They may all be playing games in a tight market.
 
    As has been noted worldwide, this seems to be a recent rash of free use TV bans – I have had Howard log in using the AP’s TV account, to my TV free account as a  receiver, a couple of years ago, without any problem. Mind you, the TV’s AI program may have a “counter” on how many times a foreign program has logged in, and seemed to be commercial use, since my ban  didn’t happen until Microsoft logged in a half dozen times over a couple of months.
 
    Also, short of uninstalling TeamViewer, there is no way to kill its TSR  (Terminate but stay resident) function. Its icon is now always active in the taskbar icon area. This started with Version-14 Updates, earlier this year. In previous years versions, there was an OPTIONAL  checkbox in its (EXTRAS-Options-Advanced) settings, to have TV exit after a session – i.e. “Close To Tray Menu” - or leave it running as a background TSR, for easy remote login. That checkbox is now grayed out in the free licenses.. If I could toggle it off as a precaution, except when actually logging into TV, I would. It was a nice security option, but now keeps the TV Sniffer nosing around our PC full time.
 
    As for moving forward to a free use program similar to TV, I would use Microsoft RDP, only if it could keep both host and client PC screens and mouse/keyboard active as TV does. Maybe we can convince MS to finally fix their Remote Desktop.
 
    I like the free TightVNC, almost as much as TV, but it is a hassle to have to configure a friend’s or remote family member’s Router or Modem Firewall, just for VNC login.  However – for local LAN backyard use of the telescope, TightVNC seems to fit the bill quite nicely.
So, I am still looking for an easy to use,  “TeamViewer-like” non-commercial use program. Might just use TightVNC for local astronomy, and leave TeamViewer for family/ & friends  remote access, outside the home.
 
    Hope somebody here can suggest another proven hassle-free alternative to TeamViewer – it sure was nice while it behaved itself.
 
Joe
 
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> On Aug 30, 2019, at 10:34 AM, 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] mailto:ap-gto@... wrote:
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> Hi Joe,
>
>>    That now leaves the unresolved dilemma of how Howard and George,  can provide us direct, hands-on,
>> customer support.
>
> There's no dilemma here. A-P has a TeamViewer commercial license which allows them to use it the way they need to.

I think the concern is that when someone who has a commercial TV account (such as A-P) connects to someone else who uses TV under a free, non-commercial account, TeamViewer Inc. then considers the free account to be engaging in commercial activity due to association with the commercial account and thus pulls out the ban hammer.

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Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi Ross,
 
    I just tried Win-10 Pro connection via the Microsoft RDP WiFi to link to a Win-7 PRO laptop 10 feet away – and the initial connection to the (remote, scope PC) works fine.
 
    However, the target, (e.g. scope) laptop logs out its user back to the Win-10 Login screen. That means I have to spend precious seconds/minutes to log back in from there, password etc., In a scope control  emergency such as a potential pier collision, there is no time for all that fallder-all.
Meanwhile, the originating desktop RDP session user window gets logged off (still having the remote desktop screen in view, but dead), and I get the following error message ...
 
Your Remote Desktop Services session has ended.
Another user connected to the remote computer, so your connection was lost. Try connecting
again, or contact your network admin or tech support group
 
    So, RDP is fine controlling the scope from one side of the link , but not like TeamViewer, or TightVNC, which keep BOTH PC’s sessions live, with active user control at both ends,  and commands can be entered from either keyboard, and either mouse.
I would consider MS RDP, but this is the way it has always worked, ever since Win-XP PRO days – i.e.  badly.
Microsoft didn’t complete the job on this, and certainly no good reason for insisting on the PRO version premium.
However, I recall I could link to the remote via Browser to  scope PC’s  IP link - without the need of messing with the remote’s Router Port setup,  from a really distant remote – but that would be a really risky “sneakers run, LAN” link, if something goes south.
 
    Ross, perhaps I am missing something in Microsoft RDP setup, or is this the “normal” way RDP is used – from one side only, no shared session?
 
Joe
 
 
 
From: Ross Salinger rgsalinger@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 1:04 PM
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You can turn off TV, or at least I can by simply killing it in task manager. There are 4 processes. I killed them as an experiment about 45 minutes ago and it's still missing from the Processes Tab. FWIW, the Icon is missing as well from the taskbar area. There's no sign of it at all. I assume when I reboot my system it will reappear. I run Version 14 on Win 10 Pro.

I use RDP all the time without any issues. At my local observatory I have three sessions running at once as I have 3 computers that I need to keep track of. I'm not sure what is meant by keeping the mouse/keyboard active. Maybe you mean that you have to click to return to your local desktop? 

As far as "free" there's chrome desktop which works fine as long as you are happy with just one screen to use.

Rgrds-Ross

 

On 8/30/2019 9:05 AM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 
Hi Dale,
 
    You may be right, but not wrt. AP’s TV commercial account. If your example worked that way for a commercial TV license owner, then THEIR product would stop selling, and that would be a bitter lesson at $600 a seat. I suppose, if we didn’t have a TV license for AP to login, then we as the customer in trouble, would have to login to the AP TV web link – that’s the way Microsoft uses LogMeIn.
 
    I (somewhat) suspect that either a “TV new hire”  software developer or marketing guy, screwed up royally, or some of these competing  “tech support software” companies are acting quite juvenile, and purposely leaving “dirt” behind after a visit, especially when their support visit revealed the presence of their competitor like TeamViewer. A subsequent use of TV, triggers a “commercial use” ban. They may all be playing games in a tight market.
 
    As has been noted worldwide, this seems to be a recent rash of free use TV bans – I have had Howard log in using the AP’s TV account, to my TV free account as a  receiver, a couple of years ago, without any problem. Mind you, the TV’s AI program may have a “counter” on how many times a foreign program has logged in, and seemed to be commercial use, since my ban  didn’t happen until Microsoft logged in a half dozen times over a couple of months.
 
    Also, short of uninstalling TeamViewer, there is no way to kill its TSR  (Terminate but stay resident) function. Its icon is now always active in the taskbar icon area. This started with Version-14 Updates, earlier this year. In previous years versions, there was an OPTIONAL  checkbox in its (EXTRAS-Options-Advanced) settings, to have TV exit after a session – i.e. “Close To Tray Menu” - or leave it running as a background TSR, for easy remote login. That checkbox is now grayed out in the free licenses.. If I could toggle it off as a precaution, except when actually logging into TV, I would. It was a nice security option, but now keeps the TV Sniffer nosing around our PC full time.
 
    As for moving forward to a free use program similar to TV, I would use Microsoft RDP, only if it could keep both host and client PC screens and mouse/keyboard active as TV does. Maybe we can convince MS to finally fix their Remote Desktop.
 
    I like the free TightVNC, almost as much as TV, but it is a hassle to have to configure a friend’s or remote family member’s Router or Modem Firewall, just for VNC login.  However – for local LAN backyard use of the telescope, TightVNC seems to fit the bill quite nicely.
So, I am still looking for an easy to use,  “TeamViewer-like” non-commercial use program. Might just use TightVNC for local astronomy, and leave TeamViewer for family/ & friends  remote access, outside the home.
 
    Hope somebody here can suggest another proven hassle-free alternative to TeamViewer – it sure was nice while it behaved itself.
 
Joe
 
From: Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 11:09 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 


> On Aug 30, 2019, at 10:34 AM, 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] mailto:ap-gto@... wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
>>    That now leaves the unresolved dilemma of how Howard and George,  can provide us direct, hands-on,
>> customer support.
>
> There's no dilemma here. A-P has a TeamViewer commercial license which allows them to use it the way they need to.

I think the concern is that when someone who has a commercial TV account (such as A-P) connects to someone else who uses TV under a free, non-commercial account, TeamViewer Inc. then considers the free account to be engaging in commercial activity due to association with the commercial account and thus pulls out the ban hammer.

/dale




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Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

steven ho
 

I too use Remote Desktop which comes as a part of Windows Pro, it's trouble free and just works. As a computer programmer we always had Windows Pro at work and for the small extra fee I buy it for "home" use as well. I don't control my observatory over the internet, it's in my yard.


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of Ross Salinger rgsalinger@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 1:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 
 

You can turn off TV, or at least I can by simply killing it in task manager. There are 4 processes. I killed them as an experiment about 45 minutes ago and it's still missing from the Processes Tab. FWIW, the Icon is missing as well from the taskbar area. There's no sign of it at all. I assume when I reboot my system it will reappear. I run Version 14 on Win 10 Pro.

I use RDP all the time without any issues. At my local observatory I have three sessions running at once as I have 3 computers that I need to keep track of. I'm not sure what is meant by keeping the mouse/keyboard active. Maybe you mean that you have to click to return to your local desktop? 

As far as "free" there's chrome desktop which works fine as long as you are happy with just one screen to use.

Rgrds-Ross


On 8/30/2019 9:05 AM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Hi Dale,
 
    You may be right, but not wrt. AP’s TV commercial account. If your example worked that way for a commercial TV license owner, then THEIR product would stop selling, and that would be a bitter lesson at $600 a seat. I suppose, if we didn’t have a TV license for AP to login, then we as the customer in trouble, would have to login to the AP TV web link – that’s the way Microsoft uses LogMeIn.
 
    I (somewhat) suspect that either a “TV new hire”  software developer or marketing guy, screwed up royally, or some of these competing  “tech support software” companies are acting quite juvenile, and purposely leaving “dirt” behind after a visit, especially when their support visit revealed the presence of their competitor like TeamViewer. A subsequent use of TV, triggers a “commercial use” ban. They may all be playing games in a tight market.
 
    As has been noted worldwide, this seems to be a recent rash of free use TV bans – I have had Howard log in using the AP’s TV account, to my TV free account as a  receiver, a couple of years ago, without any problem. Mind you, the TV’s AI program may have a “counter” on how many times a foreign program has logged in, and seemed to be commercial use, since my ban  didn’t happen until Microsoft logged in a half dozen times over a couple of months.
 
    Also, short of uninstalling TeamViewer, there is no way to kill its TSR  (Terminate but stay resident) function. Its icon is now always active in the taskbar icon area. This started with Version-14 Updates, earlier this year. In previous years versions, there was an OPTIONAL  checkbox in its (EXTRAS-Options-Advanced) settings, to have TV exit after a session – i.e. “Close To Tray Menu” - or leave it running as a background TSR, for easy remote login. That checkbox is now grayed out in the free licenses.. If I could toggle it off as a precaution, except when actually logging into TV, I would. It was a nice security option, but now keeps the TV Sniffer nosing around our PC full time.
 
    As for moving forward to a free use program similar to TV, I would use Microsoft RDP, only if it could keep both host and client PC screens and mouse/keyboard active as TV does. Maybe we can convince MS to finally fix their Remote Desktop.
 
    I like the free TightVNC, almost as much as TV, but it is a hassle to have to configure a friend’s or remote family member’s Router or Modem Firewall, just for VNC login.  However – for local LAN backyard use of the telescope, TightVNC seems to fit the bill quite nicely.
So, I am still looking for an easy to use,  “TeamViewer-like” non-commercial use program. Might just use TightVNC for local astronomy, and leave TeamViewer for family/ & friends  remote access, outside the home.
 
    Hope somebody here can suggest another proven hassle-free alternative to TeamViewer – it sure was nice while it behaved itself.
 
Joe
 
From: Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 11:09 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 


> On Aug 30, 2019, at 10:34 AM, 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
>>    That now leaves the unresolved dilemma of how Howard and George,  can provide us direct, hands-on,
>> customer support.
>
> There's no dilemma here. A-P has a TeamViewer commercial license which allows them to use it the way they need to.

I think the concern is that when someone who has a commercial TV account (such as A-P) connects to someone else who uses TV under a free, non-commercial account, TeamViewer Inc. then considers the free account to be engaging in commercial activity due to association with the commercial account and thus pulls out the ban hammer.

/dale




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Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Ross Salinger <rgsalinger@...>
 

You can turn off TV, or at least I can by simply killing it in task manager. There are 4 processes. I killed them as an experiment about 45 minutes ago and it's still missing from the Processes Tab. FWIW, the Icon is missing as well from the taskbar area. There's no sign of it at all. I assume when I reboot my system it will reappear. I run Version 14 on Win 10 Pro.

I use RDP all the time without any issues. At my local observatory I have three sessions running at once as I have 3 computers that I need to keep track of. I'm not sure what is meant by keeping the mouse/keyboard active. Maybe you mean that you have to click to return to your local desktop? 

As far as "free" there's chrome desktop which works fine as long as you are happy with just one screen to use.

Rgrds-Ross


On 8/30/2019 9:05 AM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Hi Dale,
 
    You may be right, but not wrt. AP’s TV commercial account. If your example worked that way for a commercial TV license owner, then THEIR product would stop selling, and that would be a bitter lesson at $600 a seat. I suppose, if we didn’t have a TV license for AP to login, then we as the customer in trouble, would have to login to the AP TV web link – that’s the way Microsoft uses LogMeIn.
 
    I (somewhat) suspect that either a “TV new hire”  software developer or marketing guy, screwed up royally, or some of these competing  “tech support software” companies are acting quite juvenile, and purposely leaving “dirt” behind after a visit, especially when their support visit revealed the presence of their competitor like TeamViewer. A subsequent use of TV, triggers a “commercial use” ban. They may all be playing games in a tight market.
 
    As has been noted worldwide, this seems to be a recent rash of free use TV bans – I have had Howard log in using the AP’s TV account, to my TV free account as a  receiver, a couple of years ago, without any problem. Mind you, the TV’s AI program may have a “counter” on how many times a foreign program has logged in, and seemed to be commercial use, since my ban  didn’t happen until Microsoft logged in a half dozen times over a couple of months.
 
    Also, short of uninstalling TeamViewer, there is no way to kill its TSR  (Terminate but stay resident) function. Its icon is now always active in the taskbar icon area. This started with Version-14 Updates, earlier this year. In previous years versions, there was an OPTIONAL  checkbox in its (EXTRAS-Options-Advanced) settings, to have TV exit after a session – i.e. “Close To Tray Menu” - or leave it running as a background TSR, for easy remote login. That checkbox is now grayed out in the free licenses.. If I could toggle it off as a precaution, except when actually logging into TV, I would. It was a nice security option, but now keeps the TV Sniffer nosing around our PC full time.
 
    As for moving forward to a free use program similar to TV, I would use Microsoft RDP, only if it could keep both host and client PC screens and mouse/keyboard active as TV does. Maybe we can convince MS to finally fix their Remote Desktop.
 
    I like the free TightVNC, almost as much as TV, but it is a hassle to have to configure a friend’s or remote family member’s Router or Modem Firewall, just for VNC login.  However – for local LAN backyard use of the telescope, TightVNC seems to fit the bill quite nicely.
So, I am still looking for an easy to use,  “TeamViewer-like” non-commercial use program. Might just use TightVNC for local astronomy, and leave TeamViewer for family/ & friends  remote access, outside the home.
 
    Hope somebody here can suggest another proven hassle-free alternative to TeamViewer – it sure was nice while it behaved itself.
 
Joe
 
From: Dale Ghent daleg@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 11:09 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 


> On Aug 30, 2019, at 10:34 AM, 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
>>    That now leaves the unresolved dilemma of how Howard and George,  can provide us direct, hands-on,
>> customer support.
>
> There's no dilemma here. A-P has a TeamViewer commercial license which allows them to use it the way they need to.

I think the concern is that when someone who has a commercial TV account (such as A-P) connects to someone else who uses TV under a free, non-commercial account, TeamViewer Inc. then considers the free account to be engaging in commercial activity due to association with the commercial account and thus pulls out the ban hammer.

/dale




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