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Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Dale Ghent
 

On Aug 30, 2019, at 10:34 AM, 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto] <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Joe,

That now leaves the unresolved dilemma of how Howard and George, can provide us direct, hands-on,
customer support.
There's no dilemma here. A-P has a TeamViewer commercial license which allows them to use it the way they need to.
I think the concern is that when someone who has a commercial TV account (such as A-P) connects to someone else who uses TV under a free, non-commercial account, TeamViewer Inc. then considers the free account to be engaging in commercial activity due to association with the commercial account and thus pulls out the ban hammer.

/dale


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Ross Salinger <rgsalinger@...>
 

To that point, Howard has logged onto an AP1600AE that I manage twice using TV and there have been no repercussions with regards to my free license.

I'm dubious about a ban due to MS logging into your computer drawing the attention of TV. However, remember you can always KILL TV and stop it running on your computer. I've also suffered a TV hiatus of about 5 days a while back. I suspect that long use of the product just gets their attention.

I set up a second TV and email account the two remote systems that I manage. Seemed like a good thing to do in general as there are others who need remote access to those systems and I don't want them even knowing anything about my home network. 

I want to keep using TV as it's the only free option that lets me have two monitors running over the internet. I have Chrome Desktop running as well but I only get one monitor to work with that software.

Rgrds-Ros


On 8/30/2019 7:34 AM, 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Hi Joe,

> That now leaves the unresolved dilemma of how Howard and George, can provide us direct, hands-on,
> customer support.

There's no dilemma here. A-P has a TeamViewer commercial license which allows them to use it the way they need to.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:28 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour
>
>
>
> Ron,
>
> You actually brought up an interesting “commercial use” dilemma with TeamViewer.
>
> If I got banned because Microsoft logged in, using their own customer support app, while my TeamViewer was
> sitting IDLE in the notification bar, then how is Howard or anybody else going to be able to test & solve a
> customer problem, even with the customer's TeamViewer in sleep mode, running in the background. Doesn’t
> even matter whether Howard uses his TeamViewer to wake up your TV , to join you, or he uses a fully paid up
> “commercially licensed” and completely different customer support application, instead of TeamViewer – YOUR
> copy will get banned ... even “by association with a commercial support outfit”.
>
> So basically, it seems the new rules at TV are that you cannot even RECEIVE commercial support, on a PC
> that has a non-commercial license installed, and it isn’t even launched to the desktop at the time ! The
> TeamViewer sniffer icon is always listening for a business link.
>
> It’s the end of an era for us astronomers using TV. That outfit is getting nastier, and the TV free license is now
> strictly for use between “blood relations”. They certainly don’t want their software used “between “machines”, like
> telescopes, since that is NOT a person-to-person use of it. Industrial (telescope Machine) operation is deemed a
> “commercial activity” no different than if you were using it to run a hot rolled steel mill. They can’t tell the
> difference, so they have tightened the rules, and mere suspicion gets us banned.
>
> Time to move far away from TeamViewer, which would please them enormously if their servers in Germany
> were not being tied up with us free-downloaders It just makes good business sense, to them :-)
>
> That now leaves the unresolved dilemma of how Howard and George, can provide us direct, hands-on,
> customer support.
>
> Joe
>
>
> From: 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto]
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:05 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour
>
>
>
> Ron,
>
> That is EXACTLY the problem ! Contacting a business – in either direction, with you initiating the link, or you
> receiving the link, is “commercial use.
>
> Howard ... i.e. Astro Physics is a “commercial location”, so small wonder you got caught. You cannot even
> “contact a business” or you become complicit in TV’s illegal use. I strongly suspect the reason I got banned was
> because I permitted Microsoft to login into my home PC using LogMeIn app, to test the source of a software
> problem. Of course “one of us” was a commercial establishment, so no wonder.
>
> We have to be VERY careful about our PC’s using a “commercial link”. The TV clerk asked me if I EVEN used
> TeamViewer while having a coffee at an internet cafe, and used their free WiFi connection, just to check my home
> PC. THAT is using TV from or at a commercial establishment – so fair game, as well.
>
> Basically,, you can’t just about go to the bathroom and take your mobile with TV active on it, and not get
> TeamViewer to banish you.. It really is NOT worth using any longer. There has to be some better free provider
> than TeamViewer, one that isn’t so anal retentive.
>
> Joe
>
> From: Ron Kramer ronkramer1957@... [ap-gto]
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:46 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behavior
>
> They were saying ME OR A CONTACT is using it commercially? Has AP signed up to use it commercially?
> Though I haven't had Horward connect up in over a year. I wonder if he was flagged and those he's connected to?
> I just was clicking around teamviewer to see if I could reset it and found "contacts from recent sessions" list
> which includes Howard4AP.
> ?
>
>
>


Re: Question about ASCOM v5.20.09

Roland Christen
 

Yes, the ASCOM driver does send the right commands and the mount parks correctly. best to call Howard and have him help you with your question.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
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To: ap-gto
Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2019 7:59 am
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Question about ASCOM v5.20.09



Rolando:

Thanks for the quick response.  Since I am using the AP ASCOM driver, shouldn't the ASCOM "Park()" command already be doing that?  Needing to send :KA# to the mount would not keep my app ASCOM compliant.

Charlie


---In ap-gto@..., wrote :

When you send the mount to a park position you need to add :KA# to the command so that the motors turn off and the mount parks in that position with no tracking at the end of the slew.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: acf900gto@... [ap-gto]

To: ap-gto
Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 12:42 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Question about ASCOM v5.20.09



I am writing a utility for slewing my AP1100GTO and when the program uses "Park()" to park the scope, the scope parks as it should.  After waiting for the parking to complete, I interrogate "AtPark()" and it returns false and the ASCOM dialog box shows the PARK status as "Unparked" even though the scope is parked.  Should something else be done after calling the Park() command to complete the parking function?

Charlie






Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Joe,

That now leaves the unresolved dilemma of how Howard and George, can provide us direct, hands-on,
customer support.
There's no dilemma here. A-P has a TeamViewer commercial license which allows them to use it the way they need to.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:28 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour



Ron,

You actually brought up an interesting “commercial use” dilemma with TeamViewer.

If I got banned because Microsoft logged in, using their own customer support app, while my TeamViewer was
sitting IDLE in the notification bar, then how is Howard or anybody else going to be able to test & solve a
customer problem, even with the customer's TeamViewer in sleep mode, running in the background. Doesn’t
even matter whether Howard uses his TeamViewer to wake up your TV , to join you, or he uses a fully paid up
“commercially licensed” and completely different customer support application, instead of TeamViewer – YOUR
copy will get banned ... even “by association with a commercial support outfit”.

So basically, it seems the new rules at TV are that you cannot even RECEIVE commercial support, on a PC
that has a non-commercial license installed, and it isn’t even launched to the desktop at the time ! The
TeamViewer sniffer icon is always listening for a business link.

It’s the end of an era for us astronomers using TV. That outfit is getting nastier, and the TV free license is now
strictly for use between “blood relations”. They certainly don’t want their software used “between “machines”, like
telescopes, since that is NOT a person-to-person use of it. Industrial (telescope Machine) operation is deemed a
“commercial activity” no different than if you were using it to run a hot rolled steel mill. They can’t tell the
difference, so they have tightened the rules, and mere suspicion gets us banned.

Time to move far away from TeamViewer, which would please them enormously if their servers in Germany
were not being tied up with us free-downloaders It just makes good business sense, to them :-)

That now leaves the unresolved dilemma of how Howard and George, can provide us direct, hands-on,
customer support.

Joe


From: 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@rogers.com [ap-gto]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:05 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour



Ron,

That is EXACTLY the problem ! Contacting a business – in either direction, with you initiating the link, or you
receiving the link, is “commercial use.

Howard ... i.e. Astro Physics is a “commercial location”, so small wonder you got caught. You cannot even
“contact a business” or you become complicit in TV’s illegal use. I strongly suspect the reason I got banned was
because I permitted Microsoft to login into my home PC using LogMeIn app, to test the source of a software
problem. Of course “one of us” was a commercial establishment, so no wonder.

We have to be VERY careful about our PC’s using a “commercial link”. The TV clerk asked me if I EVEN used
TeamViewer while having a coffee at an internet cafe, and used their free WiFi connection, just to check my home
PC. THAT is using TV from or at a commercial establishment – so fair game, as well.

Basically,, you can’t just about go to the bathroom and take your mobile with TV active on it, and not get
TeamViewer to banish you.. It really is NOT worth using any longer. There has to be some better free provider
than TeamViewer, one that isn’t so anal retentive.

Joe

From: Ron Kramer ronkramer1957@gmail.com [ap-gto]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:46 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behavior

They were saying ME OR A CONTACT is using it commercially? Has AP signed up to use it commercially?
Though I haven't had Horward connect up in over a year. I wonder if he was flagged and those he's connected to?
I just was clicking around teamviewer to see if I could reset it and found "contacts from recent sessions" list
which includes Howard4AP.
?



Re: Question about ASCOM v5.20.09

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Charlie,

Thanks for the quick response. Since I am using the AP ASCOM driver, shouldn't the ASCOM "Park()" command
already be doing that? Needing to send :KA# to the mount would not keep my app ASCOM compliant.
The driver will send the KA command to park the mount, but afterwards you must be careful to not send any other commands that might unpark the mount.

First let's try a controlled test. The driver comes with several applications, including one called "AP Timer".

1. Run "AP Timer" and connect to your mount. To keep the test simple, do not connect to the mount with any other applications.
2. From the driver, unpark the mount and use the move buttons to move the scope a short distance away from the park position you are using.
3. In "AP Timer" configure the action to "Park Mount" and set the timer for 2 seconds.
4. Click "Start" in AP Timer. When the timer reaches 0 the Park operation will start.
5. After the mount parks the driver should show "Parked".

If the driver does not show "Parked" then please use the AP V2 Log Zipper utility to grab the log file(s) and email them to me at GROUPS3 at GRALAK dot com.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 5:56 AM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Question about ASCOM v5.20.09



Rolando:

Thanks for the quick response. Since I am using the AP ASCOM driver, shouldn't the ASCOM "Park()" command
already be doing that? Needing to send :KA# to the mount would not keep my app ASCOM compliant.

Charlie



---In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, <chris1011@...> wrote :


When you send the mount to a park position you need to add :KA# to the command so that the motors turn off
and the mount parks in that position with no tracking at the end of the slew.


Rolando




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To: ap-gto <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 12:42 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Question about ASCOM v5.20.09




I am writing a utility for slewing my AP1100GTO and when the program uses "Park()" to park the scope, the scope
parks as it should. After waiting for the parking to complete, I interrogate "AtPark()" and it returns false and the
ASCOM dialog box shows the PARK status as "Unparked" even though the scope is parked. Should something
else be done after calling the Park() command to complete the parking function?


Charlie






Re: Question about ASCOM v5.20.09

acf900gto@...
 

Rolando:

Thanks for the quick response.  Since I am using the AP ASCOM driver, shouldn't the ASCOM "Park()" command already be doing that?  Needing to send :KA# to the mount would not keep my app ASCOM compliant.

Charlie


---In ap-gto@..., <chris1011@...> wrote :

When you send the mount to a park position you need to add :KA# to the command so that the motors turn off and the mount parks in that position with no tracking at the end of the slew.

Rolando



-----Original Message-----
From: acf900gto@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
To: ap-gto <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 12:42 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Question about ASCOM v5.20.09



I am writing a utility for slewing my AP1100GTO and when the program uses "Park()" to park the scope, the scope parks as it should.  After waiting for the parking to complete, I interrogate "AtPark()" and it returns false and the ASCOM dialog box shows the PARK status as "Unparked" even though the scope is parked.  Should something else be done after calling the Park() command to complete the parking function?

Charlie




Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

W Hilmo
 

I don’t know that it matters who connected to whom.

 

At our local astrophotography sig meeting last month, just about everyone using TeamViewer had been flagged.  I suspect that the TV folks are making a push for license enforcement and they may have been more aggressive about it than they intended (given the huge public relations backlash that I’ve seen, both locally and online, I can’t imagine that they meant to do this - and if they did, it was probably pretty poor judgement).

 

I’m not a TeamViewer user myself, but in our meeting there was discussion that there is way to configure TV to connect on your local LAN.  And supposedly in that case, it makes no internet connection and the commercial use check doesn’t happen.  If you are using it to operate your observatory computer locally at your home, you should probably have it configured this way anyway.  For those using it with a remote observatory, you’ll probably either need to go through the pain of getting “approved” by the TV folks, or switch to another remoting solution.  There are several out there, as has been mentioned.

 

-Wade

 

From: ap-gto@...
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:28 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

 

 

Ron,

 

    You actually brought up an interesting “commercial use” dilemma with TeamViewer.

 

    If I got banned because Microsoft logged in, using their own customer support app, while my TeamViewer was sitting IDLE in the notification bar, then how is Howard or anybody else going to be able to test & solve a customer problem,  even with the customer's TeamViewer in sleep mode, running in the background. Doesn’t even matter whether Howard uses his TeamViewer to wake up your TV , to join you,  or he uses a fully paid up  “commercially licensed” and completely different customer support application, instead of TeamViewer – YOUR copy will get banned ... even “by association with a commercial support outfit”.

 

    So basically, it seems the new rules at TV are that you cannot even RECEIVE commercial support,  on a PC that has a non-commercial license installed, and it isn’t even launched to the desktop at the time ! The TeamViewer sniffer icon is always listening for a business link.

 

    It’s the end of an era for us astronomers using TV. That outfit is getting nastier, and the TV free license is now strictly for use between “blood relations”. They certainly don’t want their software used “between “machines”, like telescopes, since that is NOT a person-to-person use of it. Industrial (telescope Machine) operation is deemed a “commercial activity” no different than if you were using it to run a hot rolled steel mill. They can’t tell the difference, so they have tightened the rules, and mere suspicion gets us banned.

 

    Time to move far away from TeamViewer, which would please them enormously if their servers in Germany were not being tied up with us free-downloaders  It just makes good business sense, to them :-)

 

    That now leaves the unresolved dilemma of how Howard and George,  can provide us direct, hands-on, customer support.

 

Joe

 

 

From: 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto]

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:05 PM

Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

 




Ron,

 

    That is EXACTLY the problem !  Contacting a business – in either direction, with you initiating the link, or you receiving the link, is “commercial use.

 

    Howard ... i.e. Astro Physics is a “commercial location”, so small wonder you got caught. You cannot even “contact a business” or you become complicit in TV’s illegal use. I strongly suspect the reason I got banned was because I permitted Microsoft to login into my home PC using LogMeIn app, to test the source of a software problem. Of course “one of us” was a commercial establishment, so no wonder.

 

    We have to be VERY careful about our PC’s using a “commercial link”. The TV clerk asked me if I EVEN used TeamViewer while having a coffee at an internet cafe, and used their free WiFi connection, just to check my home PC. THAT is using TV from or at a commercial establishment – so fair game, as well.

 

    Basically,, you can’t just about go to the bathroom and take your mobile with TV active on it, and not get TeamViewer to banish you.. It really is NOT worth using any longer. There has to be some better free provider than TeamViewer, one that isn’t so anal retentive.

 

Joe

 

From: Ron Kramer ronkramer1957@... [ap-gto]

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:46 PM

Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behavior

 

They were saying   ME OR A CONTACT  is using it commercially?  Has AP signed up to use it commercially?  Though I haven't had Horward connect up in over a year. I wonder if he was flagged and those he's connected to?
I just was clicking around teamviewer to see if I could reset it and found  "contacts from recent sessions" list which includes  Howard4AP.

?

 


Re: Remote desktop software weird behavior

B Briggs
 

Thank you Joe for that suggestion.  The problem is the warm room and obs. and barn are on a different Idaho Power transformer than the house.  Will visit Best Buy as you suggest and 'pick their brains'/
Burton


Re: Initial Mount Setup & Star Sync

jimmyjujames
 


If you are using the PC to unpark/park the mount then let the PC also set the time on mount and initialize the mount.

Make sure the keypad is set to Autostart=ext

If the keypad is set to Autostart=yes,
 the keypad will set the time on mount which may be 1 hour off and initialize the mount.

 Let the PC set time and initialize the mount.

 Having to move the RA a large amount before the first Recal is totally wrong and unnecessary.
Figure out what is causing the time error and life will be great with 1 less frustration.
 
Jimmy
 


Re: Mach2 update and discussion of features

Geert
 

Well, first time I see pictures in a post in this group, how did you manage that?! ;-)

Nice Polemaster adapter, I mount mine on a Baader counterweight and a QHY universal adapter. I checked several time after using the Polemaster, the polarscope is equally accurate I must say.



Geert Vdbulcke

Belgium



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Verzonden: vrijdag 30 augustus 2019 6:41
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Onderwerp: [ap-gto] Re: Mach2 update and discussion of features





I don’t know what the Mach2 looks like but I designed and made this for the Pole Master on a Mach1.







Here is the design if it works and you want to get it 3D printed:



<https://cad.onshape.com/documents/6399e6c65d7ca220918c69e8/w/d68b250f8767100c43389209/e/91882ebb44b3b26c6c192228> https://cad.onshape.com/documents/6399e6c65d7ca220918c69e8/w/d68b250f8767100c43389209/e/91882ebb44b3b26c6c192228



















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Re: Mach2 update and discussion of features

Woody Schlom <woody@...>
 

I saw your 3D drawing and two photos. Your settings must be wrong – or something. Nice looking adapter by the way.



Woody



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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:50 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Mach2 update and discussion of features





Where are my pictures in the above post? Why is this forum so primitive? Hey Yahoo this is 2019 not 1980!!





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Mach2 update and discussion of features

mike.hambrick@...
 

I was able to see them. There was a 3D printer drawing and two photographs in your previous post. But now that you mention it, the photos that users attach to their posts don't normally come through. They have to be uploaded as a separate file. Somehow you have managed to beat the system :)


Best Regards

Michael Hambrick
ARLANXEO
TSR Global Manufacturing Support
PO Box 2000
Orange, TX 77631-2000
Phone: +1 (409) 882-2799
email: mike.hambrick@...




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Date:        08/30/2019 01:50 AM
Subject:        [ap-gto] Re: Mach2 update and discussion of features
Sent by:        ap-gto@...




 

Where are my pictures in the above post? Why is this forum so primitive? Hey Yahoo this is 2019 not 1980!!




Re: Mach2 update and discussion of features

wellcoordinated
 

Where are my pictures in the above post? Why is this forum so primitive? Hey Yahoo this is 2019 not 1980!!


Re: Mach2 update and discussion of features

wellcoordinated
 

I don’t know what the Mach2 looks like but I designed and made this for the Pole Master on a  Mach1.


Here is  the design if it works and you want to get it 3D printed:
 






Re: Initial Mount Setup & Star Sync

mikestephens-milkeycorp@...
 

Thankyou Rolando. I'm sure it's something Im doing wrong on my end. And if I don't get it sorted out it is fine too as this is a very minor frustration. Everything after that works perfect - I love the Mach 1 & Rays software. tnx agn, Mike


Re: Remote desktop software weird behavior

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi Burton,
 
    Actually, your 50 feet separation has a simple solution – the “Power Line LAN”. Your observatory warm room gets its power from the house. Plug in a power line receiver in any outlet in the warm room, then use a standard Ethernet cable from it to your laptop that controls the scope. In the house, plug in a similar unit(s), into the AC outlet next to the modem/router, (even  a third one in any room in the house for your home computer) – or let it join the house link using Wifi to the router or its nearby power line transmitter.
 
    As long as the observatory warm room, gets its AC supplied the “same side” of the house fuse panel, you can have all the PC’s communicate over the home’s AC power lines. The 220 volts that come to your house fuse panel,  has two hot power lines ( a red one and a black one), which are split between  left side of the fuse box and right side of the fuse box. The router in the house and its nearby AC outlet for the power line transmitter, must share that SAME side with the observatory outlets, It is probably the simplest and least expensive solution for a home observatory LAN arrangement.
 
    I suggest a visit to a PC store, like Best Buy, to discuss these “AC power line modems”. Nice thing is that they are not affected by signal drop outs due to bad weather or nearby microwave ovens, garage door openers, baby room monitors, or cordless phones, etc. However, their signal is not that fast. I suppose if someone started up some heavy machinery, like a lathe in the basement, that might scramble the power line modem signalling, but I haven’t heard of it.
 
Joe


Re: Remote desktop software weird behavior

B Briggs
 

If I may be so bold as to ask a question about remote control of the desk top computer in the observatory.  I have a 'warm room' about 50 feet from the observatory and wish to connect two desk top computers-one in the warm room and the other in the observatory via hard wire.  (I do not have internet that is reliable or LAN in either location) . Can this be done via direct hard wire between the two , or do I have to run/bury a cat 5 cable 250 feet from my router in the house?  Thanks for any suggestions.
Burton


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Joe Zeglinski
 

Ron,
 
    You actually brought up an interesting “commercial use” dilemma with TeamViewer.
 
    If I got banned because Microsoft logged in, using their own customer support app, while my TeamViewer was sitting IDLE in the notification bar, then how is Howard or anybody else going to be able to test & solve a customer problem,  even with the customer's TeamViewer in sleep mode, running in the background. Doesn’t even matter whether Howard uses his TeamViewer to wake up your TV , to join you,  or he uses a fully paid up  “commercially licensed” and completely different customer support application, instead of TeamViewer – YOUR copy will get banned ... even “by association with a commercial support outfit”.
 
    So basically, it seems the new rules at TV are that you cannot even RECEIVE commercial support,  on a PC that has a non-commercial license installed, and it isn’t even launched to the desktop at the time ! The TeamViewer sniffer icon is always listening for a business link.
 
    It’s the end of an era for us astronomers using TV. That outfit is getting nastier, and the TV free license is now strictly for use between “blood relations”. They certainly don’t want their software used “between “machines”, like telescopes, since that is NOT a person-to-person use of it. Industrial (telescope Machine) operation is deemed a “commercial activity” no different than if you were using it to run a hot rolled steel mill. They can’t tell the difference, so they have tightened the rules, and mere suspicion gets us banned.
 
    Time to move far away from TeamViewer, which would please them enormously if their servers in Germany were not being tied up with us free-downloaders  It just makes good business sense, to them :-)
 
    That now leaves the unresolved dilemma of how Howard and George,  can provide us direct, hands-on, customer support.
 
Joe
 
 

From: 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:05 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 


Ron,
 
    That is EXACTLY the problem !  Contacting a business – in either direction, with you initiating the link, or you receiving the link, is “commercial use.
 
    Howard ... i.e. Astro Physics is a “commercial location”, so small wonder you got caught. You cannot even “contact a business” or you become complicit in TV’s illegal use. I strongly suspect the reason I got banned was because I permitted Microsoft to login into my home PC using LogMeIn app, to test the source of a software problem. Of course “one of us” was a commercial establishment, so no wonder.
 
    We have to be VERY careful about our PC’s using a “commercial link”. The TV clerk asked me if I EVEN used TeamViewer while having a coffee at an internet cafe, and used their free WiFi connection, just to check my home PC. THAT is using TV from or at a commercial establishment – so fair game, as well.
 
    Basically,, you can’t just about go to the bathroom and take your mobile with TV active on it, and not get TeamViewer to banish you. It really is NOT worth using any longer. There has to be some better free provider than TeamViewer, one that isn’t so anal retentive.
 
Joe
 
From: Ron Kramer ronkramer1957@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:46 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behavior
 
They were saying   ME OR A CONTACT  is using it commercially?  Has AP signed up to use it commercially?  Though I haven't had Horward connect up in over a year. I wonder if he was flagged and those he's connected to?
I just was clicking around teamviewer to see if I could reset it and found  "contacts from recent sessions" list which includes  Howard4AP.
?
 


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Joe Zeglinski
 

Ron,
 
    That is EXACTLY the problem !  Contacting a business – in either direction, with you initiating the link, or you receiving the link, is “commercial use.
 
    Howard ... i.e. Astro Physics is a “commercial location”, so small wonder you got caught. You cannot even “contact a business” or you become complicit in TV’s illegal use. I strongly suspect the reason I got banned was because I permitted Microsoft to login into my home PC using LogMeIn app, to test the source of a software problem. Of course “one of us” was a commercial establishment, so no wonder.
 
    We have to be VERY careful about our PC’s using a “commercial link”. The TV clerk asked me if I EVEN used TeamViewer while having a coffee at an internet cafe, and used their free WiFi connection, just to check my home PC. THAT is using TV from or at a commercial establishment – so fair game, as well.
 
    Basically,, you can’t just about go to the bathroom and take your mobile with TV active on it, and not get TeamViewer to banish you. It really is NOT worth using any longer. There has to be some better free provider than TeamViewer, one that isn’t so anal retentive.
 
Joe
 

From: Ron Kramer ronkramer1957@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:46 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote desktop software weird behavior
 
They were saying   ME OR A CONTACT  is using it commercially?  Has AP signed up to use it commercially?  Though I haven't had Horward connect up in over a year. I wonder if he was flagged and those he's connected to?
I just was clicking around teamviewer to see if I could reset it and found  "contacts from recent sessions" list which includes  Howard4AP.
?
 


Re: Initial Mount Setup & Star Sync

Roland Christen
 

Please call George at AP and explain to him what you are trying to do. Tell him the steps you are using and he m,ay be able to figure out where things are going wrong. I start my mount every night using the keypad and SkyX and always land the object or star on the chip, somewhere near canter. Most nights I start an hour before sunset, bring up a bright star like Vega using H-a filter and .03 sec exposure so i can center it, do a focus run and be ready for imaging as son as the sun has set and twilight ends. I never have to look for it, the star is always on the chip at 1300mm focal length on my small QSI 683 sensor. Doesn't matter if i use SkyX or the keypad to slew to the target, either way the star is always there. There is no reason why your system can't do the same.

I could outline my sequence for you, but some people have their own favorite way. In my case I turn on power and let the keypad do its thing. I never tell it what to do since I always use Autostart = YES. It has never failed me. After power is on, I simply connect SkyX to the mount and the cursor shows where I'm pointed. Can't get any easier than that.

Rolando



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From: mikestephens-milkeycorp@... [ap-gto]
To: ap-gto
Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 8:45 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Initial Mount Setup & Star Sync



Hi Jimmy.
A. I always use same fast current PC w/ USB 3.0 ports, time is accurate per GMT, Park pos 3, The latest TSX, AP Driver 5.20.09., Park position " Last Park ". I assume hand controller time follows PC Time, although I suppose I could have an hour error ( DST ) on Hand Controller as I am way off in RA.
B. It has always come up with major RA error. So I do RA slew, then sync, later Park Mount. 
On Power Up I have to repeat process.
C. If there is no way to get around this repeating problem, I will try fooling mount by moving RA some in Park 3 position when power is off.
tnx agn, Mike


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