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Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Ross Salinger <rgsalinger@...>
 

I don't know what an "eagle" is but I have only tested it with TV . With Windows RD you don't need it. I use it on two systems right now. I keep my planetarium on one screen with the guide graph at the bottom and the rest of the "stuff" on the other screen. Oddly I cannot get it to work on a "shuttle" PC that I use with the AP1600 that I run for a bunch of people. Can't figure out why.

Rgrds-Ross

On 8/13/2019 8:21 AM, Wayne wayneh9026@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Thanks! I didn’t know such things existed. My Eagle has 2 HDMI ports, I’m thinking this will let me mirror the 2 screens on the Eagle to the 2 screens on my inside PC?


On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:57 AM, Ross Salinger rgsalinger@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF

Honestly, if you own an AP mount then spending 100 bucks on software really cannot break the bank :).

Rgrds-Ross

On 8/13/2019 7:28 AM, Wayne wayneh9026@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Ross, what do you mean by dummy video plugs?


On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Ross Salinger rgsalinger@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Windows remote desktop is only good on a LAN. On a LAN it's by far the better product. I use dummy video plugs in my (3) remote computers so that I can use dual screens when imaging. Much easier on my aging eyes to not have to peer at small stuff on a screen.

Rgrds-Ross

On 8/13/2019 1:39 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 
Windows Remote Desktop. Free. Works great. Requires Windows Pro on the target machine. 


From: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...> on behalf of marfig1970@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 12:03 AM
To: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 
 
I also have the same problem, they seem to be new TV policies (or malfunctioning algorithm).

In any case I have been testing RealVNC with good results. I have also heard very good reviews about Google Chrome Remote Desktop. Both for free.





Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Wayne Hixson
 

Thanks! I didn’t know such things existed. My Eagle has 2 HDMI ports, I’m thinking this will let me mirror the 2 screens on the Eagle to the 2 screens on my inside PC?


On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:57 AM, Ross Salinger rgsalinger@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF

Honestly, if you own an AP mount then spending 100 bucks on software really cannot break the bank :).

Rgrds-Ross

On 8/13/2019 7:28 AM, Wayne wayneh9026@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Ross, what do you mean by dummy video plugs?


On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Ross Salinger rgsalinger@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Windows remote desktop is only good on a LAN. On a LAN it's by far the better product. I use dummy video plugs in my (3) remote computers so that I can use dual screens when imaging. Much easier on my aging eyes to not have to peer at small stuff on a screen.

Rgrds-Ross

On 8/13/2019 1:39 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 
Windows Remote Desktop. Free. Works great. Requires Windows Pro on the target machine. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of marfig1970@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 12:03 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 
 
I also have the same problem, they seem to be new TV policies (or malfunctioning algorithm).

In any case I have been testing RealVNC with good results. I have also heard very good reviews about Google Chrome Remote Desktop. Both for free.





Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Joel Short
 

Joe, 
The last time TV gave me the commercial use suspected message I tried AnyDesk and it is indeed a worthy alternative to TV.  What I liked about Any Desk is that you could still use a direct IP address to connect two computers on the same local network even when you are offline, which I need.  You can't do that with Chrome Remote Desktop because that's all online.  However, AnyDesk is still not as easy to use as TV and TV has many more features that may or may not be useful.  At this point when I get the dumb message from TV I still use TV but just use direct IP address until I get the stupidity resolved with TV.  
joel

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:47 AM 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
 
     RealVNC and Google CHROME RDP, are two excellent alternatives that I too will be looking into.
However, Googling for other options, last night, I discovered another program, “ANYDESK”,  written by former developers who left TeamViewer. If you like TV features, then maybe the clone is better, certainly MUCH less expensive – also has a FREE,  limited feature version.
 
Joe


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Steve Reilly
 

Hey Joe,

 

Looks like Anydesk free is good on one system only so if more than one computer…..but I would expect the product to be similar to TV in terms of features which it seems to be from their webpage.

 

-Steve

 

From: ap-gto@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 10:44 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour

 

 

Hi,

 

     RealVNC and Google CHROME RDP, are two excellent alternatives that I too will be looking into.

However, Googling for other options, last night, I discovered another program, “ANYDESK”,  written by former developers who left TeamViewer. If you like TV features, then maybe the clone is better, certainly MUCH less expensive – also has a FREE,  limited feature version.

 

Joe

 

From: marfig1970@... [ap-gto]

Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 3:03 AM

Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour

 




I also have the same problem, they seem to be new TV policies (or malfunctioning algorithm).

 

In any case I have been testing RealVNC with good results. I have also heard very good reviews about Google Chrome Remote Desktop. Both for free.

 

 

 

 


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Ross Salinger <rgsalinger@...>
 

https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF

Honestly, if you own an AP mount then spending 100 bucks on software really cannot break the bank :).

Rgrds-Ross

On 8/13/2019 7:28 AM, Wayne wayneh9026@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Ross, what do you mean by dummy video plugs?


On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Ross Salinger rgsalinger@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Windows remote desktop is only good on a LAN. On a LAN it's by far the better product. I use dummy video plugs in my (3) remote computers so that I can use dual screens when imaging. Much easier on my aging eyes to not have to peer at small stuff on a screen.

Rgrds-Ross

On 8/13/2019 1:39 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 
Windows Remote Desktop. Free. Works great. Requires Windows Pro on the target machine. 


From: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...> on behalf of marfig1970@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 12:03 AM
To: ap-gto@... <ap-gto@...>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 
 
I also have the same problem, they seem to be new TV policies (or malfunctioning algorithm).

In any case I have been testing RealVNC with good results. I have also heard very good reviews about Google Chrome Remote Desktop. Both for free.





Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi,
 
     RealVNC and Google CHROME RDP, are two excellent alternatives that I too will be looking into.
However, Googling for other options, last night, I discovered another program, “ANYDESK”,  written by former developers who left TeamViewer. If you like TV features, then maybe the clone is better, certainly MUCH less expensive – also has a FREE,  limited feature version.
 
Joe
 

From: marfig1970@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 3:03 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 


I also have the same problem, they seem to be new TV policies (or malfunctioning algorithm).
 
In any case I have been testing RealVNC with good results. I have also heard very good reviews about Google Chrome Remote Desktop. Both for free.
 
 
 
 


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi Bill,
 
    I initially started out using Microsoft Remote Desktop, about 15 years ago, and still would  continue using it, but then discovered the major benefit of using TeamViewer – until now of course. I even purchased only Windows Pro versions, so I could use their RDP.
 
    Besides the problem of being available ONLY on Windows PRO, what bothered me about MS RDP and made me switch, was that it would not keep the joined session windows visible on BOTH host  and client screens. I would start out setting up the backyard scope with its (remote, host) RDP and everything was fine. Then when I login from the client PC in the house, the backyard laptop RDP window would go dark – and vice versa. I had to login at one or the other to use the connection.
 
    The above was especially difficult when I needed to go back to the scope to do something requiring its laptop, and I would have to first log out at the indoor client, in order to have the scope side window return. This is unacceptable in a crucial moment when I need to run out to save a run-away telescope mount, and needed the screen up and visible for control, without having to fumble for login again, sometimes with cold fingers in winter. The TeamViewer system leaves both PC’s windows (keyboard, mouse) displayed and active.
 
    However, it seemed to me at the time of my change, that Microsoft RDP screen image was clearer, and reacted faster than TeamViewer – and RDP never lost connection, whereas TV dropped out  a lot of times. The latter was solved by setting up and running using my local LAN’s  IP address, rather than the 9-digit customer ID number, just to go full circle around the world on the internet to get back to the other PC, only 20 feet away!
 
    I will miss using TeamViewer, even if we settle this argument with their artificial intelligence lurker. I am now fully convinced that the bug in TeamViewer’s  AI Sniffer is that it CANNOT differentiate between a PC “receiving” help from a website (e.g. Microsoft Tech Support logging in using LogMeIn app) – and the potential TV user actually using the program to “provide” commercial tech support.
 
    So, eventually we get banned by TeamViewer, falsely accused without proof of breaking its rules for non-business use.
Meanwhile, Microsoft’s Remote Desktop doesn’t care how we use its services. Just wish MS would leave both screens, keyboards, and mice,  active in the RDP window – then I might switch back at least for “local scope” use.
 
Joe
 

From: Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:39 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 


Windows Remote Desktop. Free. Works great. Requires Windows Pro on the target machine.
 

From: ap-gto@... on behalf of marfig1970@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 12:03 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 
 

I also have the same problem, they seem to be new TV policies (or malfunctioning algorithm).
 
In any case I have been testing RealVNC with good results. I have also heard very good reviews about Google Chrome Remote Desktop. Both for free.
 
 
 
 


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Steve Reilly
 

Hey Ross,

 

Can you expand on that a bit more? I haven’t heard of that before.

 

-Steve

 

From: ap-gto@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 10:01 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour

 

 

Windows remote desktop is only good on a LAN. On a LAN it's by far the better product. I use dummy video plugs in my (3) remote computers so that I can use dual screens when imaging. Much easier on my aging eyes to not have to peer at small stuff on a screen.

Rgrds-Ross

On 8/13/2019 1:39 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] wrote:

 

Windows Remote Desktop. Free. Works great. Requires Windows Pro on the target machine. 

 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of marfig1970@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 12:03 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour

 

 

I also have the same problem, they seem to be new TV policies (or malfunctioning algorithm).

 

In any case I have been testing RealVNC with good results. I have also heard very good reviews about Google Chrome Remote Desktop. Both for free.

 

 

 

 


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Wayne Hixson
 

Ross, what do you mean by dummy video plugs?


On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Ross Salinger rgsalinger@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Windows remote desktop is only good on a LAN. On a LAN it's by far the better product. I use dummy video plugs in my (3) remote computers so that I can use dual screens when imaging. Much easier on my aging eyes to not have to peer at small stuff on a screen.

Rgrds-Ross

On 8/13/2019 1:39 AM, Bill Long bill@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Windows Remote Desktop. Free. Works great. Requires Windows Pro on the target machine. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of marfig1970@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 12:03 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 
 
I also have the same problem, they seem to be new TV policies (or malfunctioning algorithm).

In any case I have been testing RealVNC with good results. I have also heard very good reviews about Google Chrome Remote Desktop. Both for free.





Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Bill Long
 

Just the system you are connecting to. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of george.labelle@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 6:42 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 
 

Bill, I considered this, however it would cost $99 to upgrade to Pro.


Also, does it require Pro on both systems?


Re: AP Jog Utility & TheSky 6

George LaBelle
 

Ray, sorry, after further investigation I determined it was user error ;-) What else is new?

However, I decided to check the CP4 firmware upgrade.

The process is convoluted and scary. We all know what happens if something goes wrong in the middle of a firmware upgrade. I have been searching for documentation on the revisions or what the upgrade changes are. If it doesn't look worth it, I don't want to wade into that 12 page process of upgrading.

Is there a revision history somewhere?


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Ross Salinger <rgsalinger@...>
 

Windows remote desktop is only good on a LAN. On a LAN it's by far the better product. I use dummy video plugs in my (3) remote computers so that I can use dual screens when imaging. Much easier on my aging eyes to not have to peer at small stuff on a screen.

Rgrds-Ross


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

George LaBelle
 

Bill, I considered this, however it would cost $99 to upgrade to Pro.

Also, does it require Pro on both systems?


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Bill Long
 

Windows Remote Desktop. Free. Works great. Requires Windows Pro on the target machine. 


From: ap-gto@... on behalf of marfig1970@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 12:03 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Remote desktop software weird behaviour
 
 

I also have the same problem, they seem to be new TV policies (or malfunctioning algorithm).

In any case I have been testing RealVNC with good results. I have also heard very good reviews about Google Chrome Remote Desktop. Both for free.





Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Marcelo Figueroa
 

I also have the same problem, they seem to be new TV policies (or malfunctioning algorithm).

In any case I have been testing RealVNC with good results. I have also heard very good reviews about Google Chrome Remote Desktop. Both for free.





Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Joe Zeglinski
 

Thanks Ross,
 
    I think I will now follow your lead and look at other free alternatives to the popular TV. Google Remote Desktop sounds interesting, Although,  even subscription based RDP programs can also be equally invasive.
 
    As I sat here tonight, stewing of being wrongly accused by some mindless AI corporate computer, I tried to think back on how the AI program came up with its conclusion of my using it, as their staff suggested, perhaps while being in “some business office”, and therefor used commercially. I had told George previously, here, that such checking would only most  likely happen if one uses the TeamViewer personal 9-digit global access ID pathway to reach another computer, instead of always, or mostly,  using the internal LAN IP number method to reach the backyard telescope computer.
 
    But then I realized that in fact, the TeamViewer app is constantly lurking as a background app on our PC – unless you option to close it down, completely,  after logging out of your sessions. Can’t be certain that logging out doesn’t leave an anonymous background lurker,  continuing its snooping. Even then it is probably logging where else you have visited, or have been visited by some business.
 
    In my case, the only “corporate use of my PC” was by Microsoft Tech Support, via their “LogMeIn” program to run my PC while investigating a Win-10 problem,  several times over the past month. I wonder if the background TeamViewer AI Lurker interpreted Microsoft’s access as “my being in a business relationship  with Microsoft”, logged it in its file on my PC hard drive, and during a regular corporate host computer check, uploaded such lies to their head office computer. Or, perhaps TeamViewer Corp.  doesn’t like competition from LogMeIn,  in the tech support, remote login business.
 
    It now seems scary that a seemingly benevolent and apparently generous company, or its free software AI,  is unsafe. Since it isn’t a virus, none of the virus checkers would deem it dangerous enough to block it. Guess we have to wait for a staff whistle blower.
 
    Have we, the honest, honourable,  and faithful TeamViewer patrons,  let this free “Gift of a Trojan Horse” pass through our defences, into our house PC, without knowing what else it is doing for its employer? I wonder if we should now look at other such  “free gift horses in their mouths”, as they say – including Microsoft RDP or Google RDP. Perhaps the actual “hidden fee” is in their continual surreptitious “Data Mining” of our PC’s  activities, just as web site ads do without permission.
Too bad that TeamViewer’s AI,  whether remote or local, can’t be trusted – nor can any other AI, for that matter.
 
Please excuse the rant after suffering these recent burns, but hey, be careful out there.
Joe


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Ross Salinger <rgsalinger@...>
 

This is why I have google remote desktop as a backup on all of my remote systems (3 now). I can't blame them too much as I use TV night after night. I'd gladly pay a small "private user" fee but their licensing is just too steep.

Rgrds-Ross

On 8/12/2019 7:36 PM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Hi again George – and everyone here using TeamViewer
 
    Well, I spoke too soon, back on Aug. 5th.
 
    Just like you, I too suddenly got a “TV 5-minute time out”, then another after I waited patiently for it to elapse before retrying, followed then -  by cancellation message on TV, of my FREE non-commercial TV privileges. Ended up with a CHAT pre-sales clerk, wanting to sell me something. After a short discussion, she says that their “sniffer ALGORITHM” determined that I was using it commercially. She asked if I used it while in some Office?
 
    Being retired, I not stepped into an office for 20 years, nor have ever used it in an Internet Cafe, I suggested that either Marketing has run amuck, or somebody in their IT dept. or a virus, has been messing with their damned AI’s system Algorithm.
 
    So, like so many others, I filled out the required “Private Use Only Form”  for them,  and will see what marketing does now. I expect an apology, at the very least – or news of this practice is soon going viral on the web.
 
    Don’t we just love Artificial Intelligence – just when we thought it was limited to the idiots in government.
 
Joe


Re: Remote desktop software weird behaviour

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi again George – and everyone here using TeamViewer
 
    Well, I spoke too soon, back on Aug. 5th.
 
    Just like you, I too suddenly got a “TV 5-minute time out”, then another after I waited patiently for it to elapse before retrying, followed then -  by cancellation message on TV, of my FREE non-commercial TV privileges. Ended up with a CHAT pre-sales clerk, wanting to sell me something. After a short discussion, she says that their “sniffer ALGORITHM” determined that I was using it commercially. She asked if I used it while in some Office?
 
    Being retired, I not stepped into an office for 20 years, nor have ever used it in an Internet Cafe, I suggested that either Marketing has run amuck, or somebody in their IT dept. or a virus, has been messing with their damned AI’s system Algorithm.
 
    So, like so many others, I filled out the required “Private Use Only Form”  for them,  and will see what marketing does now. I expect an apology, at the very least – or news of this practice is soon going viral on the web.
 
    Don’t we just love Artificial Intelligence – just when we thought it was limited to the idiots in government.
 
Joe


Re: AP Jog Utility & TheSky 6

Worsel
 

George

If you are using APCC, is there a reason that you don't use the motion arrows within APCC to finetune?

Bryan


Re: APCC-Pro install

Worsel
 

Phil


"You may install up to two copies of the APCC-PRO licensed software, provided that only one (1) copy is in use at any given time (i.e., no concurrent use on different computers). If you require additional licenses for your personal use, please purchase additional APCC-PRO-A licenses, for use by the same person. If you have different requirements, please contact Astro-Physics. Please refer to our license agreement."

Bryan

---In ap-gto@..., <pcoker36@...> wrote :

I have my own license key but I, too, would like to know how to download a second copy for a new computer.  
All I can find on the website is new purchase and upgrade.
Phillip



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