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Re: INDI or ASCOM Alpaca?

Michael Fulbright <mike.fulbright@...>
 

1.

I think this is just good practice to provide documentation for high end devices.  This used to be the default but in recent years more and more rare.

I imagine most developers would take their chances on having _any_ information compared to the decade+ old protocol documentation that currently exists.

Well they would except the protocol documentation doesn't seem to even exist any more - the two links a web search turns up:

        http://astro-physics.com/tech_support/mounts/protocol-G.pdf

        http://astro-physics.com/tech_support/mounts/command_lang.htm

both give 404 errors.

Fortunately I have a copied safely stored away and the date of the document is "Text modified: 07-04-06".

Case in point - sending a "pulse guide" to the mount.

The 'G' level documentation says the command is ':Mnxxx#' where 'n' is the direction and 'xxx' is the duration in milleseconds.

For longer pulses you have to do a convoluted sequence for changing the mount move speed to guide, then initiate and time a mount move and then terminate the move.

To make it more fun there are apparently no return codes for any of the steps you have to do nor a way to verify the mount is at the guide speed before you move it

So on the off chance the change rate command failed you might move the mount for 2500ms at slew speed, for example.

Hopefully there has been progress in the protocol design so you can do this with a saner atomic operation.

I found by experimenting my 'V' level CP4 will actually accept up to 9999ms for a guide request but since this is not documented I am not going to release code to the public with it coded that way.

I could ask Howard and he could confirm it but that doesn't really help the AP community as now the info is available but obfuscated in source code somewhere.

Having adequate and up to date documentation should be the minimum hurdle when producing high end equipment.  I would venture most low end mounts have better documentation available.  I know the Explore Scientific PMC-Eight INDI driver I helped with gives documentation for the entire (admitted very simple) protocol API to developers.

I believe it would be possible to make parts of the protocol required for decent operation of the mount available without spilling the secret sauce or undermining sales of APCC.

2.

Here we get into the 'non-Windows' crowd which is statistically a minority across the general public and therefore more difficult to make a business case for.  I hear rumors that most institutional users of AP mounts are predominately non-Windows but I have seen no firm studies to show this.  Clearly AP would benefit in knowing this info as it could be more relevant to them than say someone who writes general purpose software. 
 
What I think is important is to have a minimum level of support for alternative environments.  As long as the information is available for tools to be constructed by motivated individuals or business interests to construct a solution I don't know that I would expect AP to do more in terms of writing software on these environments.
 
3.

I would just be happy with running these apps on alternative OS/architectures.  The Raspberry Pi is such an under-powered platform I wouldn't waste time trying to get stuff running on it.

I really am not sure developing and writing software for anything other than Windows is a good business case for AP.  I would never suggest it as unless institutional users are demanding it I don't know demand is great enough.

I suspect there are a large number of technically talented people with AP mount that could make some impressive things happen if given enough information.  AP just needs to stoke the fire slightly.

4-6.

I don't really know how to respond about Alpaca because as far as I know it is all theoretical.

I don't personally see myself ever having one machine talk to another at the device control level over a network.  It is an interesting theoretical possibility with INDI but for imaging I've found it too hindered by network traffic that I just run all things locally on a computer dedicated to the mount/camera at the mount.

If Alpaca means 'ASCOM-like' drivers can be written so the source is more cross-platform compatible (you can recompile it on another arch) then that sounds like a good step.  My understanding is the 'COM' part of ASCOM has been a bit of an albatross for awhile now that made this not possible.

Final Thoughts

I will fully admit I'm an outlier for these things.  I enjoy developing code for my astro equipment as much as I enjoy using the equipment.  If the software I have doesn't do it how I'd like it done I change it or write new code to do it.

For this to be possible I just need enough knowledge of what is under the hood so I can tinker.

But I suspect what I want for different reasons would actually help a wide swath of AP users who just want to avoid Microsoft in any way possible.  That is not just a 'PC/Mac' thing any more - people can have many legitimate reasons to not deal with a particular computer vendor these days.  I prefer to not get into whether a particular solution is 'best' or 'right' - it all comes back to personal choice on the user side and is it a legitimate business case on the supplier side.

At least if the documentation is up to snuff the user has a recourse for a solution even if the supplier cannot justify constructing the solution from a business viability viewpoint.

I appreciate AP considering the use cases of all users - hopefully we can move towards wider support of some fashion.

Michael Fulbright

On 4/27/19 1:07 PM, 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

So what do people hope will see happen with increased support for Alpaca or INDI?

For example:

1. Just document the specs and let the LINUX and Mac developers figure it out?

(I think developers may be disappointed with this because most of the cool features in APCC require a lot of work that will not be included in command specs and many features don't use any of the undocumented commands)

2. More MAC and LINUX applications?

3. Ability to run APCC and other apps on a Raspberry Pi 3 or other small low power computer?

4. Have the ability from ASCOM applications on Windows to talk to standalone Alpaca devices?

5. Have the ability from ASCOM applications on Windows to talk to devices on other computers running LINUX or Mac/OSX?

6. Other things?

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 8:02 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
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> I agree, Michael, if the mount commands are fully documented, A-P can devote their resources to whatever they
> see fit, and if something new pops up or A-P's choice doesn't fit their needs, then people will be able to write the
> software that does what they need. Making information like that available fosters an environment where people can
> create new innovative solutions. That's good for AP and the users.
>
> thomas
>
> On 4/27/2019 12:52 AM, Michael Fulbright mike.fulbright@... [ap-gto] wrote:
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> If sources are available for the Alpaca driver it would be a possible option.
>
> Alternately I would just prefer adequate documentation to allow users to implement solutions to meet their
> use cases.
>
> Is Alpaca even something that is realistic in the next year or two?
>
> Michael Fulbright
>
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> On 4/26/19 8:38 PM, 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] wrote:
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> Hello all,
>
> Of those users wishing for a non-Windows support for your mount, which platform would you prefer
> Astro-Physics to devote resources?
>
> INDI or ASCOM Alpaca?
>
> INDI has been around for some time and runs on LINUX and MAC OSX and Windows. ASCOM
> Alpaca is still in the early stages of development. There are no significant applications that work on LINUX or MACs,
> and there may not be for some time.
>
> However, ASCOM Alpaca is modular as opposed to INDI's monolithic design. Once drivers are
> available Alpaca devices can be standalone (over the network or wifi) or on another computer. I believe INDI only
> works on the computer it is running unless the device has a network interface.
>
> There may be other advantages or disadvantages to INDI or ASCOM Alpaca. Please contribute your
> knowledge or preferences if you are interested in this topic.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
> physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
>
>
>
>



New Owner Introduction and Question

Charles Thompson
 

Hi everyone, I was recently fortunate enough to purchase a lightly used AP900 CP2. It appears to have some upgrades including the fork/base and declination motor (maybe). I called Astro-Physics for some information on the mount and they were very helpful.  Any information on things to look for would be greatly appreciated for an instrument of this age. I purchased the AP grease kit so I can regrease and mesh the worms correctly. 

Last night I had the first chance to get the mount out under the stars for the first time!  I only had two problems. The first was when I had the mount slew to an object in the East the mount would point West instead!  I double checked my time zone, location and didn't have North South switch backwards. This was easily fixed with a plate solve and sync to the mount from Sequence Generator Pro but I don't know why it's backwards on the initial go-to.  Also, the guiding was very rough most of the night with PHD2 which I wasnt expecting. Some info on my setup is below. Thanks!

Location Nashville, TN area

*Polar aligned and unpark from level position 4
*AP900 CP2
*Serial to USB to laptop running V2 ASCOM and SGP
*127mm APO refractor
*80mm guidescope
*ASI1600MM Pro imaging camera
*ASI290MM mini guide camera
*HD tripod (for initial testing)

I'm sure there is some information I'm forgetting but wanted to introduce myself to the group and say thank you in advance!



Thanks,
Charles


Re: INDI or ASCOM Alpaca?

Ray Gralak
 

So what do people hope will see happen with increased support for Alpaca or INDI?

For example:

1. Just document the specs and let the LINUX and Mac developers figure it out?

(I think developers may be disappointed with this because most of the cool features in APCC require a lot of work that will not be included in command specs and many features don't use any of the undocumented commands)

2. More MAC and LINUX applications?

3. Ability to run APCC and other apps on a Raspberry Pi 3 or other small low power computer?

4. Have the ability from ASCOM applications on Windows to talk to standalone Alpaca devices?

5. Have the ability from ASCOM applications on Windows to talk to devices on other computers running LINUX or Mac/OSX?

6. Other things?

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

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I agree, Michael, if the mount commands are fully documented, A-P can devote their resources to whatever they
see fit, and if something new pops up or A-P's choice doesn't fit their needs, then people will be able to write the
software that does what they need. Making information like that available fosters an environment where people can
create new innovative solutions. That's good for AP and the users.

thomas

On 4/27/2019 12:52 AM, Michael Fulbright mike.fulbright@pobox.com [ap-gto] wrote:




If sources are available for the Alpaca driver it would be a possible option.

Alternately I would just prefer adequate documentation to allow users to implement solutions to meet their
use cases.

Is Alpaca even something that is realistic in the next year or two?

Michael Fulbright




On 4/26/19 8:38 PM, 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto] wrote:




Hello all,

Of those users wishing for a non-Windows support for your mount, which platform would you prefer
Astro-Physics to devote resources?

INDI or ASCOM Alpaca?

INDI has been around for some time and runs on LINUX and MAC OSX and Windows. ASCOM
Alpaca is still in the early stages of development. There are no significant applications that work on LINUX or MACs,
and there may not be for some time.

However, ASCOM Alpaca is modular as opposed to INDI's monolithic design. Once drivers are
available Alpaca devices can be standalone (over the network or wifi) or on another computer. I believe INDI only
works on the computer it is running unless the device has a network interface.

There may be other advantages or disadvantages to INDI or ASCOM Alpaca. Please contribute your
knowledge or preferences if you are interested in this topic.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver






Re: re greasing worm wheel on 1100GTO original gearbox.

W Hilmo
 

I actually worked as a baggage handler for an airline for a while, and my father was an airline pilot.

 

I am pretty sure that all of the Boeing and Airbus airplanes are fully pressurized (but not heated), even in the cargo holds.  The reason is that it’s easier structurally to pressurize the entire fuselage (except for areas that cannot be pressurized, like the landing gear bays), than it would be to have pressure bulkheads that isolate the cargo holds from the pressurized area.  For this reason, I would strongly suspect that the same is true for any modern jet aircraft, even from Embraer, Bombardier, etc.

 

As it said, it doesn’t affect your point about shipping grease, but it caught my attention because lots of people believe that the cargo areas are not pressurized, when they actually are.  If they weren’t pressurized, you could pretty much assume that any kinds of liquids in your checked bags (shampoo, toothpaste, etc.) would make one heck of a mess on every flight.

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 7:56 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: re greasing worm wheel on 1100GTO original gearbox.

 

 

Hi Wade,

 

    To answer your question, I Googled the question – “Are aircraft cargo holds pressurized? “, and got several answers, about temperature and pressure conditions in cargo. There are two cargo holds - one part right behind the crew cabin,  may indeed be made liveable, for pets, and live (lobsters) restaurant food shipments. The “aft cargo” hold isn’t likely to be – no need for the extra T & P conditioning load for “dead-weight” items. Meanwhile, sometimes “stowaways” survive such high altitude conditions when they stuff themselves into aircraft wheel wells.

 

    As for the “loosely capped” ASG-33 lube grease tubes, I wouldn’t want to risk travelling on a plane, not knowing if a dealer shipped this (Amazon purchase) product in the aft cargo, and whether the high altitude pressure drop causes outgassing and pops the lube cap. There probably are cargo fire extinguishers in there, if it should ignite. (Somewhat, kidding ?)

 

    Anyway, such products being shipped must surely require a signature, declaring that they are not hazardous, but then it is a matter of the shipper’s opinion.

    I’ve probably exhausted the case for lube shipping concerns here and I am confident AP takes the appropriate common sense measures and precautions,  to safely ship its special lube, where possible. So perhaps, we shouldn’t expect the lube product to be made generally available everywhere. Wonder if even the CONUS postal services or truck transports, have any special concerns or restrictions, handling such materials.

 

    As for where potentially combustible petro-chemicals might be “unknowingly” stowed, as cargo or luggage - Hard to predict, but surely hazardous or out-gassing  products wouldn’t share the same pressured and temperature controlled,  animals (liveable) forward cargo area. Here below, are two of the search results:

 

F.Y.I. – Joe

 

*****

are aircraft cargo holds pressurized?

The round shape of the fuselage outline is very efficient at withstanding pressure. Because of that, everything within the fuselage shape is pressurized. This includes the cargo hold below.

Only cargo holds located behind the aft pressure bulkhead would be unpressurized, and these are mainly found in smaller aircraft.Aug 21, 2014

***

Are “luggage compartments” on planes pressurized?

Yes, they are both pressurized and temp controlled, because of some of the "live" cargo they carry (pets, live animals for restaurant menus). Also, some of the larger wide-body aircraft have galley facilities in the cargo hold area that flight attendants have to access during flight.

***


Re: re greasing worm wheel on 1100GTO original gearbox.

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi Wade,
 
    To answer your question, I Googled the question – “Are aircraft cargo holds pressurized? “, and got several answers, about temperature and pressure conditions in cargo. There are two cargo holds - one part right behind the crew cabin,  may indeed be made liveable, for pets, and live (lobsters) restaurant food shipments. The “aft cargo” hold isn’t likely to be – no need for the extra T & P conditioning load for “dead-weight” items. Meanwhile, sometimes “stowaways” survive such high altitude conditions when they stuff themselves into aircraft wheel wells.
 
    As for the “loosely capped” ASG-33 lube grease tubes, I wouldn’t want to risk travelling on a plane, not knowing if a dealer shipped this (Amazon purchase) product in the aft cargo, and whether the high altitude pressure drop causes outgassing and pops the lube cap. There probably are cargo fire extinguishers in there, if it should ignite. (Somewhat, kidding ?)
 
    Anyway, such products being shipped must surely require a signature, declaring that they are not hazardous, but then it is a matter of the shipper’s opinion.
    I’ve probably exhausted the case for lube shipping concerns here and I am confident AP takes the appropriate common sense measures and precautions,  to safely ship its special lube, where possible. So perhaps, we shouldn’t expect the lube product to be made generally available everywhere. Wonder if even the CONUS postal services or truck transports, have any special concerns or restrictions, handling such materials.
 
    As for where potentially combustible petro-chemicals might be “unknowingly” stowed, as cargo or luggage - Hard to predict, but surely hazardous or out-gassing  products wouldn’t share the same pressured and temperature controlled,  animals (liveable) forward cargo area. Here below, are two of the search results:
 
F.Y.I. – Joe
 
*****
are aircraft cargo holds pressurized?
The round shape of the fuselage outline is very efficient at withstanding pressure. Because of that, everything within the fuselage shape is pressurized. This includes the cargo hold below.
Only cargo holds located behind the aft pressure bulkhead would be unpressurized, and these are mainly found in smaller aircraft.Aug 21, 2014
***
Are “luggage compartments” on planes pressurized?
Yes, they are both pressurized and temp controlled, because of some of the "live" cargo they carry (pets, live animals for restaurant menus). Also, some of the larger wide-body aircraft have galley facilities in the cargo hold area that flight attendants have to access during flight.
***


Re: re greasing worm wheel on 1100GTO original gearbox.

Geert
 

It was sent to me in Belgium without problems whatsoever, it is only a small quantity of grease in a small plastic container.

 

Geert Vdbulcke

 

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Onderwerp: RE: [ap-gto] Re: re greasing worm wheel on 1100GTO original gearbox.

 

 

At the risk of muddying the waters,   I also wonder,  if the “AP Special Mount Grease” formulation is even permitted to be shipped  overseas in air-cargo, given that it is potentially a fire hazard, possibly explosive canister in the high altitude unpressurized airplane cargo hold.

 

I agree that there might be shipping restrictions, and the rest of your points, but I am curious.  Which airplanes do you think have an unpressurized cargo hold?

 


Re: re greasing worm wheel on 1100GTO original gearbox.

Timo Inkinen
 

Well, Google is fine when you use it with site:*.co.uk or site:*.de (and so on) options for limiting the search to such domains only.
Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.
Derzeit nicht verfügbar.
Ob und wann dieser Artikel wieder vorrätig sein wird, ist unbekannt.

On the other hand you will then find these hits for the AeroShell 33 grease:

It woull also be nice to know, if there's some difference with AeroShell 33 in blue tubes...
Naming is the same for both products so I hope there's no difference in contents, because I have ordered the blue tube grease from Transair.co.uk now:
AeroShell Grease 33 - 400 Gram Cartridge
Code : 2833C

All in all, it's not that easy to pick up a suitable grease for my AP 1200 GTO mount outside US.


Re: re greasing worm wheel on 1100GTO original gearbox.

W Hilmo
 

At the risk of muddying the waters,   I also wonder,  if the “AP Special Mount Grease” formulation is even permitted to be shipped  overseas in air-cargo, given that it is potentially a fire hazard, possibly explosive canister in the high altitude unpressurized airplane cargo hold.

 

I agree that there might be shipping restrictions, and the rest of your points, but I am curious.  Which airplanes do you think have an unpressurized cargo hold?

 


Re: re greasing worm wheel on 1100GTO original gearbox.

Joe Zeglinski
 

Harry,
 
    It should be just fine, even if the AeroShell Grease-33 canister were stale-dated.
After all, the wear & tear on the AP mount’s worm gear isn’t nearly the same as on a jetliner’s massive landing gear retraction and wing flaps mechanisms, for which the grease is normally used.
 
    Let us know if the date on the Amazon-sold tube that finally arrives, actually is out-dated. Wouldn’t want others to go through the hassles of AP mount gearbox  removal etc. for lubrication with less than a perfectly stable grease.
 
    I recently learned a similar “Amazon Quality” lesson, when I bought a large box of hard to find, Full face (small centre hole) AVERY DVD labels. Turned out that the box of labels was VERY old unused stock, from some music company’s shelf, and the labels backing adhesive was out-dated – according to AVERY specs. They didn’t stick well to the media, messed up the Laser printer rollers.
I think there could be a lot of unscrupulous dealers out there, peddling left over junk, and hiding under the guise of Amazon’s presumably good reputation.
Caveat Emptor, as they say.
 
    At the risk of muddying the waters,   I also wonder,  if the “AP Special Mount Grease” formulation is even permitted to be shipped  overseas in air-cargo, given that it is potentially a fire hazard, possibly explosive canister in the high altitude unpressurized airplane cargo hold. Might be limited to only local  “CONUS -  courier truck-shipments”. That may be why the original poster can’t get this AP product in Italy, unless the unique AP formulation is mixed right there, on the AP dealer’s store premises, using locally obtainable “lube component” supplies.
 
    Hopefully, there is a solution.  Otherwise, AeroShell Grease-33 is certainly an AP-recommended, excellent alternative, and a lot easier to source and buy world-wide from a local ... airport supplies  service center.
 
Joe Z.


Re: re greasing worm wheel on 1100GTO original gearbox.

Harry Horlings
 

Thanks Joe. I saw the date as well, but thought I’d risk it anyway.

Even though Amazon is be a bit more expensive for Prime items, the flexibility to return items, easily, is worth it to me. Worst case, I end up where I started. 😊

Take care,

Harry


Re: lost wifi from GTOCP4

Ray Gralak
 

Or, it's the apple device software or the way you have the CP4 configured.

If you have a laptop try it instead. If it still won't connect then give Howard a call on Monday.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

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well- looks like something with the CP4; I just tried my iPhone and another IPAD and neither are showing the
network as an option. In addition, it appears and disappears on my iPAD and when it appears, it will ask for the
password and eventually accepts it after several tries, connects to only disconnect a few seconds later. It is just
repeating this cycle.


Re: HELP! Odd Mach1GTO PEMPro Results

gary imm
 

Well, I cleaned the gears and even swapped the RA and Dec components, but the PE curve still looks odd to me.  I will contact A-P to see if they can help.


Re: lost wifi from GTOCP4

Bruce Donzanti
 

well- looks like something with the CP4; I just tried my iPhone and another IPAD and neither are showing the network as an option.  In addition, it appears and disappears on my iPAD and when it appears, it will ask for the password and eventually accepts it after several tries, connects to only disconnect a few seconds later.  It is just repeating this cycle. 


Re: INDI or ASCOM Alpaca?

Thomas Swann
 

I agree, Michael, if the mount commands are fully documented, A-P can devote their resources to whatever they see fit, and if something new pops up or A-P's choice doesn't fit their needs, then people will be able to write the software that does what they need.  Making information like that available fosters an environment where people can create new innovative solutions.  That's good for AP and the users.

thomas

On 4/27/2019 12:52 AM, Michael Fulbright mike.fulbright@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

If sources are available for the Alpaca driver it would be a possible option.

Alternately I would just prefer adequate documentation to allow users to implement solutions to meet their use cases.

Is Alpaca even something that is realistic in the next year or two?

Michael Fulbright


On 4/26/19 8:38 PM, 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Hello all,

Of those users wishing for a non-Windows support for your mount, which platform would you prefer Astro-Physics to devote resources?

INDI or ASCOM Alpaca?

INDI has been around for some time and runs on LINUX and MAC OSX and Windows. ASCOM Alpaca is still in the early stages of development. There are no significant applications that work on LINUX or MACs, and there may not be for some time.

However, ASCOM Alpaca is modular as opposed to INDI's monolithic design. Once drivers are available Alpaca devices can be standalone (over the network or wifi) or on another computer. I believe INDI only works on the computer it is running unless the device has a network interface.

There may be other advantages or disadvantages to INDI or ASCOM Alpaca. Please contribute your knowledge or preferences if you are interested in this topic.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver




Re: lost wifi from GTOCP4

Bruce Donzanti
 

Now under settings in the iPAD, it shows I am connected to the network but when I go to connect to SkySafari, it says connection failure, check the IP address.  It is correct.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:27 PM 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Power cycle the iPad and then the CP4. An Ipad sometimes get into a state where they don't discover new devices.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

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>
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> I turned on SkySafari on my iPAD to connect to my mount as always. It connected then disconnected, then
> asked for my password and now is not even showing up as a network option on my iPAD. Any suggestions as to
> why I cannot find it? This is the first time this has happened since I set it up over 2 and half years ago.
>
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Re: re greasing worm wheel on 1100GTO original gearbox.

Don Anderson
 

Ok thanks George.
Don


Re: lost wifi from GTOCP4

Bruce Donzanti
 

It just accepted my password but it dropped out.  Has now done that twice.   

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:27 PM 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Power cycle the iPad and then the CP4. An Ipad sometimes get into a state where they don't discover new devices.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

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> Subject: [ap-gto] lost wifi from GTOCP4
>
>
>
> I turned on SkySafari on my iPAD to connect to my mount as always. It connected then disconnected, then
> asked for my password and now is not even showing up as a network option on my iPAD. Any suggestions as to
> why I cannot find it? This is the first time this has happened since I set it up over 2 and half years ago.
>
>


Re: lost wifi from GTOCP4

Bruce Donzanti
 

I turned the iPAD off and then back on.  Then I did the same with the CP4.  It took a while for the GTOCP4_Net_XXX to pop up but is now asking for the password.  I have not done that in over 2 years.  I entered it as I recall, my numeric number of my CP4 without the zeros, followed by admin12345.  It will not accept it.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:27 PM 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Power cycle the iPad and then the CP4. An Ipad sometimes get into a state where they don't discover new devices.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 7:08 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: [ap-gto] lost wifi from GTOCP4
>
>
>
> I turned on SkySafari on my iPAD to connect to my mount as always. It connected then disconnected, then
> asked for my password and now is not even showing up as a network option on my iPAD. Any suggestions as to
> why I cannot find it? This is the first time this has happened since I set it up over 2 and half years ago.
>
>


Re: lost wifi from GTOCP4

Ray Gralak
 

Power cycle the iPad and then the CP4. An Ipad sometimes get into a state where they don't discover new devices.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 7:08 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ap-gto] lost wifi from GTOCP4



I turned on SkySafari on my iPAD to connect to my mount as always. It connected then disconnected, then
asked for my password and now is not even showing up as a network option on my iPAD. Any suggestions as to
why I cannot find it? This is the first time this has happened since I set it up over 2 and half years ago.


Re: INDI or ASCOM Alpaca?

Ray Gralak
 

Hi Dale,

Okay great. I am looking forward to reading your blog after you get a chance to post it.

And yes, I think there is a possibility of supporting both INDI and Alpaca. The dilemma is that Alpaca's driver interface is not
available. Thus, even if an A-P Alpaca driver is created other manufacturers might not want to create new drivers until ASCOM can
create a driver framework. Then after a critical mass of Alpaca drivers is reached it might then make sense for application
developers to create non-Windows applications for Alpaca.

Best regards,

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 6:40 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] INDI or ASCOM Alpaca?




Hi Ray, thanks for bringing these subjects up. There are a lot of aspects to each.

Foremost, I don't see this as an exclusive OR choice between the two, and I ask that everyone try to mentally
maneuver away from the "it has to be one or the other, and never both" mindset. There's no reason why ASCOM
(in any flavor) and INDI frameworks can't enjoy parity insofar as A-P hardware support goes. There's plenty of
need and room for both across a plethora of OSes, architectures, and programming languages.

This topic is of great interest to me personally and there is a lot of technical and philosophical ground to cover, but
it finds me busy packing on the eve of a trip so I'm unable to contribute to it in-depth at this moment. In the quiet
moments on the plane I'll put my thoughts on my personal blog, as I find it a better venue than email to lay things
out.

/dale

On Apr 26, 2019, at 8:38 PM, 'Ray Gralak (Groups)' groups3@gralak.com [ap-gto] <ap-
gto@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello all,

Of those users wishing for a non-Windows support for your mount, which platform would you prefer Astro-
Physics to devote resources?

INDI or ASCOM Alpaca?

INDI has been around for some time and runs on LINUX and MAC OSX and Windows. ASCOM Alpaca is still in
the early stages of development. There are no significant applications that work on LINUX or MACs, and there
may not be for some time.

However, ASCOM Alpaca is modular as opposed to INDI's monolithic design. Once drivers are available Alpaca
devices can be standalone (over the network or wifi) or on another computer. I believe INDI only works on the
computer it is running unless the device has a network interface.

There may be other advantages or disadvantages to INDI or ASCOM Alpaca. Please contribute your
knowledge or preferences if you are interested in this topic.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): http://www.astro-
physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/software/apcc/apcc
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver



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