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Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Greg Salyer
 

Ok, problem solved. After deleted my copy of TeamViewer I download a version labeled "TeamViewer 13 Spring Release". I did a basic installation specifing personal/non-commercial. The screen I get before making the remote connection is now quite different than I was getting with my old version 13. No problem - just different. Now when I make the remote connection I get what looks like the same as version 12 with all the functions that were missing. Happy days are here again! Thanks everyone. I wouldn't have known I had a broken version 13 without your help.

 

Greg

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 8:36 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

Greg,

 

    EXACTLY, the same “menu/function bar” as in all previous versions.

Checked its function bar contents & options,  a few minutes ago, and there are no differences.

 

By any chance did you click the “Up-Arrow” at the top of the logged in (host PC, telescope) screen button, on it to “HIDE, roll up,  the function bar” ? If so, click it again.

 

Joe

 

From: 'Greg Salyer' astronutcase@... [ap-gto]

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 8:29 PM

Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 




Ok, I've now got version 13 on both ends, however, I still don't get the "missing" functions. Are you getting the same screen as version 12 when you connect? I get a brand new line at top with almost no function.

 

Greg

 


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Joe Zeglinski
 

Greg,
 
    I can’t quite remember, but I think the TWO kinds of install, it asks you for, after download, during install, is whether you want “UNATTENDED ACCESS” type of use.
My present setup,  like previous versions, was OF COURSE, I want that one. Perhaps the alternative one, you may have accidentally selected, was one for visitors to your remote, who were NOT given any of the extra “Privileges”, such as we discussed here.
 
BTW: Fun Thing to see:
    Once you get it all checked out, a weird and fun way of using TeamViewer is to use “your own” client TV ID number as the remote target address. TV tries to login sequentially, in quick succession. producing a new screen “within” every new login screen. Nice art, but be ready to find the red x-button to close the first opened  session window – or power off. This produces “Fine Art” – a mirror image in a succession of rapid fire mirrors.
Effectively,  a circus ... House Of Mirrors !
 
    Probably a bug they should fix, but you can open a remote PC, and use THAT ...  PC’s TeamViewer to login to a deeper,  other remote (from the first remote), ad infinitum. It is only interesting to show how flexible and darned powerful TeamViewer is.
Seems to have been harmless for years.
Joe
 

From: 'Greg Salyer' astronutcase@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 8:38 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network
 


I didn't know there were two kinds of install. I did a fresh install. I was installing on a brand new computer. Looks like I've got some experiments to try. I'll totally remove the program then either install 12 followed by an upgrade to 13 or a fresh 13 this time looking for that two kinds of install option. Thanks for info. I'll give it a try tomorrow and tell you guys what happened.

 

Greg

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 8:24 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

Greg,

 

    Perhaps you answered the INSTALLER with some non-control option – or what ever the alternate was. I forget what it was, but there were TWO kinds of user install.

 

    Yes – I did a File Transfer, the same old way I have for years, this afternoon – and I double checked – I am now running version 13.1.1548 build Mar 9, 2018.

   

    The File Transfer, and all the other command menu bar options are EXACTLY  the same as they always were, including File Transfer and Remote Print – and I assume Clipboard still works as it used to do. 

I too was surprised by the “slightly new”  GUI screen – I didn’t use their new fangled advanced one,  offered as a beta test option back in version 12. I like this simpler,  old one.

 

    Only one thing would improve it – a NAME tag beside  its remembered list connect ID numbers. Hard to distinguish between helped family and friends’  9-digit numbers.

 

    So, there is something different in your own install of version 13.

Mind you, I didn’t install version 13 ... all over again. It updated itself at some point, when I wasn’t looking. So, my old install is NOT a “fresh” install. Maybe that is where they changed things.

 

    Greg - Did you perhaps install version 13 from scratch, that got you in the current mess ?

Maybe download and re-install, or install version 12 and click the CHECK for new Version  button in HELP, rather than a fresh download/install. That’s in case there is a inconsistency between Installer, and Updater. It really is worthwhile pursuing.

 

Good luck Greg. Just curious – hope your situation isn’t something new at TV.

Joe Z.

 

From: 'Greg Salyer' astronutcase@... [ap-gto]

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:48 PM

To: ap-gto@...

Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 




No, as far as I know disconnect is not one of the problems with version 13. Of course as soon as I found fie transfers weren't supported yet I dropped it and went back to version 12 so I don't have a lot of experience with it. I then went on the web and found a lot of people went back to 12 because of missing functions such as file transfer, remote print and clipboard transfer. If your using such functions then I can't understand what's going on. The look and feel is totally different than version 12. The basic stuff seemed to work just fine but if the missing functions are hidden somewhere I didn't see where. Are you sure your on version 13?

 

Greg 

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:19 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

Hi Wayne,

 

    Is this disconnect something new in version 13?

 

    Like you, I used TV for probably 10 years, hassle free. Used version 13 today, for most of the afternoon, never got disconnected, no warnings, just a “polite Thank You” for using TeamViewer .... AFTER I logged out.

 

    It didn’t disconnect me in the 4 hours I was using it, so I don’t know why you are having a problem. That’s weird. Did you somehow download a trial “commercial user” version”. I think TV Corp is pretty wary and checks if you are suspected of using it for business. Don’t know what they may “snoop” for, in the transactions – if they actually do that. Perhaps there are “terms of service” that you acknowledge their right to do that – probably.

 

    I have heard of cases where so-called “home users” got caught and cancelled.

 

    Anyway, so far, the latest TV version is behaving no different from years of the older ones.

I would curious what you or anyone else discovers about your TV situation. I don’t think TV changed the rules for eligibility.

 

Joe

 

From: Wayne wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:44 PM

To: ap-gto@...

Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 



Joe, I used the freeware version of TeamViewer for quite a while but I got tired of it frequently reminding me that I was used my a free version and making me reconnect. Does it still do that? 

 

Waynr

 


On Mar 17, 2018, at 2:37 PM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Hi Micah,

 

    While Microsoft’s “Remote Desktop” is OK when starting out ... consider using a free (for non-commercial users) copy of TEAMVIEWER.

 

    The big advantage of the latter, besides not needing a PRO version of Windows on each computer – is that BOTH PC screens & mice  remain LIVE – you can operate the mount or control your imaging program,  from indoors or outdoors. The outdoor PC does NOT logout and its screen  doesn’t go black, when you go indoors, and you don’t have to login again, on either side, as you do in “MS Remote Desktop”. You can also have friends login, or login from other computers in the house,  into your outdoor remote scope computer, to share the experience, even using their own mouse, if you let them participate fully.

 

    It is far more convenient, with added benefits like File Transfer – in both directions.

There are of course other (subscription based) remote control programs.

– Microsoft has always been a rather chincy,  “bare bones” Remote,  and forces you to install a more expensive Windows OS. Also, you can’t operate your scope computer for a “show-n-tell”,  with that  MS version,  from anywhere else, like a friend’s place, unless they also have the PRO version installed.

 

Joe Z.


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Greg Salyer
 

I didn't know there were two kinds of install. I did a fresh install. I was installing on a brand new computer. Looks like I've got some experiments to try. I'll totally remove the program then either install 12 followed by an upgrade to 13 or a fresh 13 this time looking for that two kinds of install option. Thanks for info. I'll give it a try tomorrow and tell you guys what happened.

 

Greg

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 8:24 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

Greg,

 

    Perhaps you answered the INSTALLER with some non-control option – or what ever the alternate was. I forget what it was, but there were TWO kinds of user install.

 

    Yes – I did a File Transfer, the same old way I have for years, this afternoon – and I double checked – I am now running version 13.1.1548 build Mar 9, 2018.

   

    The File Transfer, and all the other command menu bar options are EXACTLY  the same as they always were, including File Transfer and Remote Print – and I assume Clipboard still works as it used to do. 

I too was surprised by the “slightly new”  GUI screen – I didn’t use their new fangled advanced one,  offered as a beta test option back in version 12. I like this simpler,  old one.

 

    Only one thing would improve it – a NAME tag beside  its remembered list connect ID numbers. Hard to distinguish between helped family and friends’  9-digit numbers.

 

    So, there is something different in your own install of version 13.

Mind you, I didn’t install version 13 ... all over again. It updated itself at some point, when I wasn’t looking. So, my old install is NOT a “fresh” install. Maybe that is where they changed things.

 

    Greg - Did you perhaps install version 13 from scratch, that got you in the current mess ?

Maybe download and re-install, or install version 12 and click the CHECK for new Version  button in HELP, rather than a fresh download/install. That’s in case there is a inconsistency between Installer, and Updater. It really is worthwhile pursuing.

 

Good luck Greg. Just curious – hope your situation isn’t something new at TV.

Joe Z.

 

From: 'Greg Salyer' astronutcase@... [ap-gto]

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:48 PM

Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 




No, as far as I know disconnect is not one of the problems with version 13. Of course as soon as I found fie transfers weren't supported yet I dropped it and went back to version 12 so I don't have a lot of experience with it. I then went on the web and found a lot of people went back to 12 because of missing functions such as file transfer, remote print and clipboard transfer. If your using such functions then I can't understand what's going on. The look and feel is totally different than version 12. The basic stuff seemed to work just fine but if the missing functions are hidden somewhere I didn't see where. Are you sure your on version 13?

 

Greg  

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:19 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

Hi Wayne,

 

    Is this disconnect something new in version 13?

 

    Like you, I used TV for probably 10 years, hassle free. Used version 13 today, for most of the afternoon, never got disconnected, no warnings, just a “polite Thank You” for using TeamViewer .... AFTER I logged out.

 

    It didn’t disconnect me in the 4 hours I was using it, so I don’t know why you are having a problem. That’s weird. Did you somehow download a trial “commercial user” version”. I think TV Corp is pretty wary and checks if you are suspected of using it for business. Don’t know what they may “snoop” for, in the transactions – if they actually do that. Perhaps there are “terms of service” that you acknowledge their right to do that – probably.

 

    I have heard of cases where so-called “home users” got caught and cancelled.

 

    Anyway, so far, the latest TV version is behaving no different from years of the older ones.

I would curious what you or anyone else discovers about your TV situation. I don’t think TV changed the rules for eligibility.

 

Joe

 

From: Wayne wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:44 PM

Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 



Joe, I used the freeware version of TeamViewer for quite a while but I got tired of it frequently reminding me that I was used my a free version and making me reconnect. Does it still do that? 

 

Waynr

 


On Mar 17, 2018, at 2:37 PM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Hi Micah,

 

    While Microsoft’s “Remote Desktop” is OK when starting out ... consider using a free (for non-commercial users) copy of TEAMVIEWER.

 

    The big advantage of the latter, besides not needing a PRO version of Windows on each computer – is that BOTH PC screens & mice  remain LIVE – you can operate the mount or control your imaging program,  from indoors or outdoors. The outdoor PC does NOT logout and its screen  doesn’t go black, when you go indoors, and you don’t have to login again, on either side, as you do in “MS Remote Desktop”. You can also have friends login, or login from other computers in the house,  into your outdoor remote scope computer, to share the experience, even using their own mouse, if you let them participate fully.

 

    It is far more convenient, with added benefits like File Transfer – in both directions.

There are of course other (subscription based) remote control programs.

– Microsoft has always been a rather chincy,  “bare bones” Remote,  and forces you to install a more expensive Windows OS. Also, you can’t operate your scope computer for a “show-n-tell”,  with that  MS version,  from anywhere else, like a friend’s place, unless they also have the PRO version installed.

 

Joe Z.


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Stuart Heggie <stuart.j.heggie@...>
 

Joe, not to take away from this being Greg's thread but why aren't all your computers showing up by their names? I name all mine. Easy to tell which is which in TV.

Stuart

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:23 PM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Greg,
 
    Perhaps you answered the INSTALLER with some non-control option – or what ever the alternate was. I forget what it was, but there were TWO kinds of user install.
 
    Yes – I did a File Transfer, the same old way I have for years, this afternoon – and I double checked – I am now running version 13.1.1548 build Mar 9, 2018.
   
    The File Transfer, and all the other command menu bar options are EXACTLY  the same as they always were, including File Transfer and Remote Print – and I assume Clipboard still works as it used to do. 
I too was surprised by the “slightly new”  GUI screen – I didn’t use their new fangled advanced one,  offered as a beta test option back in version 12. I like this simpler,  old one.
 
    Only one thing would improve it – a NAME tag beside  its remembered list connect ID numbers. Hard to distinguish between helped family and friends’  9-digit numbers.
 
    So, there is something different in your own install of version 13.
Mind you, I didn’t install version 13 ... all over again. It updated itself at some point, when I wasn’t looking. So, my old install is NOT a “fresh” install. Maybe that is where they changed things.
 
    Greg - Did you perhaps install version 13 from scratch, that got you in the current mess ?
Maybe download and re-install, or install version 12 and click the CHECK for new Version  button in HELP, rather than a fresh download/install. That’s in case there is a inconsistency between Installer, and Updater. It really is worthwhile pursuing.
 
Good luck Greg. Just curious – hope your situation isn’t something new at TV.
Joe Z.
 
From: 'Greg Salyer' astronutcase@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:48 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network
 


No, as far as I know disconnect is not one of the problems with version 13. Of course as soon as I found fie transfers weren't supported yet I dropped it and went back to version 12 so I don't have a lot of experience with it. I then went on the web and found a lot of people went back to 12 because of missing functions such as file transfer, remote print and clipboard transfer. If your using such functions then I can't understand what's going on. The look and feel is totally different than version 12. The basic stuff seemed to work just fine but if the missing functions are hidden somewhere I didn't see where. Are you sure your on version 13?

 

Greg  

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:19 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

Hi Wayne,

 

    Is this disconnect something new in version 13?

 

    Like you, I used TV for probably 10 years, hassle free. Used version 13 today, for most of the afternoon, never got disconnected, no warnings, just a “polite Thank You” for using TeamViewer .... AFTER I logged out.

 

    It didn’t disconnect me in the 4 hours I was using it, so I don’t know why you are having a problem. That’s weird. Did you somehow download a trial “commercial user” version”. I think TV Corp is pretty wary and checks if you are suspected of using it for business. Don’t know what they may “snoop” for, in the transactions – if they actually do that. Perhaps there are “terms of service” that you acknowledge their right to do that – probably.

 

    I have heard of cases where so-called “home users” got caught and cancelled.

 

    Anyway, so far, the latest TV version is behaving no different from years of the older ones.

I would curious what you or anyone else discovers about your TV situation. I don’t think TV changed the rules for eligibility.

 

Joe

 

From: Wayne wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:44 PM

To: ap-gto@...

Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 



Joe, I used the freeware version of TeamViewer for quite a while but I got tired of it frequently reminding me that I was used my a free version and making me reconnect. Does it still do that? 

 

Waynr

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 17, 2018, at 2:37 PM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Hi Micah,

 

    While Microsoft’s “Remote Desktop” is OK when starting out ... consider using a free (for non-commercial users) copy of TEAMVIEWER.

 

    The big advantage of the latter, besides not needing a PRO version of Windows on each computer – is that BOTH PC screens & mice  remain LIVE – you can operate the mount or control your imaging program,  from indoors or outdoors. The outdoor PC does NOT logout and its screen  doesn’t go black, when you go indoors, and you don’t have to login again, on either side, as you do in “MS Remote Desktop”. You can also have friends login, or login from other computers in the house,  into your outdoor remote scope computer, to share the experience, even using their own mouse, if you let them participate fully.

 

    It is far more convenient, with added benefits like File Transfer – in both directions.

There are of course other (subscription based) remote control programs.

– Microsoft has always been a rather chincy,  “bare bones” Remote,  and forces you to install a more expensive Windows OS. Also, you can’t operate your scope computer for a “show-n-tell”,  with that  MS version,  from anywhere else, like a friend’s place, unless they also have the PRO version installed.

 

Joe Z.





Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Joe Zeglinski
 

Greg,
 
    EXACTLY, the same “menu/function bar” as in all previous versions.
Checked its function bar contents & options,  a few minutes ago, and there are no differences.
 
By any chance did you click the “Up-Arrow” at the top of the logged in (host PC, telescope) screen button, on it to “HIDE, roll up,  the function bar” ? If so, click it again.
 
Joe
 

From: 'Greg Salyer' astronutcase@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 8:29 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network
 


Ok, I've now got version 13 on both ends, however, I still don't get the "missing" functions. Are you getting the same screen as version 12 when you connect? I get a brand new line at top with almost no function.

 

Greg

 


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Greg Salyer
 

Ok, I've now got version 13 on both ends, however, I still don't get the "missing" functions. Are you getting the same screen as version 12 when you connect? I get a brand new line at top with almost no function.

 

Greg

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 8:05 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

That might be it. Any time I get that warning about one of my computers being behind I just update. It is a small program and reloads really fast. 

 

Stuart

 

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM, 'Greg Salyer' astronutcase@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Perhaps I can explain what's going on. I installed version 13 without also installing version 13 on the remote computer. This has never been a problem before but maybe I was missing the functions because of the version difference. When I have a chance I'll try using version 13 on both ends. I do like the high dpi behavior of the new version better.

 

Greg

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:52 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

I've been using v 13 since it came out. It totally does file transfers. 

 

Stuart

 

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:48 PM, buckeyestargazer@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

I've been using Teamviewer also for years, including now on version 13.  There was a short time when 13 came out that is was giving annoying warnings and promotions, but those have ceased for a while now.  

 

I never get disconnected as long as there is a stable network.  Quite often I forget to exit TV before I go to bed and wake up the next morning and TV is still connected to the remote PC.  

 

I've never quite understood why people like Windows RD when much better options like TV are available for free.

joel



 

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Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Joe Zeglinski
 

Greg,
 
    Perhaps you answered the INSTALLER with some non-control option – or what ever the alternate was. I forget what it was, but there were TWO kinds of user install.
 
    Yes – I did a File Transfer, the same old way I have for years, this afternoon – and I double checked – I am now running version 13.1.1548 build Mar 9, 2018.
   
    The File Transfer, and all the other command menu bar options are EXACTLY  the same as they always were, including File Transfer and Remote Print – and I assume Clipboard still works as it used to do. 
I too was surprised by the “slightly new”  GUI screen – I didn’t use their new fangled advanced one,  offered as a beta test option back in version 12. I like this simpler,  old one.
 
    Only one thing would improve it – a NAME tag beside  its remembered list connect ID numbers. Hard to distinguish between helped family and friends’  9-digit numbers.
 
    So, there is something different in your own install of version 13.
Mind you, I didn’t install version 13 ... all over again. It updated itself at some point, when I wasn’t looking. So, my old install is NOT a “fresh” install. Maybe that is where they changed things.
 
    Greg - Did you perhaps install version 13 from scratch, that got you in the current mess ?
Maybe download and re-install, or install version 12 and click the CHECK for new Version  button in HELP, rather than a fresh download/install. That’s in case there is a inconsistency between Installer, and Updater. It really is worthwhile pursuing.
 
Good luck Greg. Just curious – hope your situation isn’t something new at TV.
Joe Z.
 

From: 'Greg Salyer' astronutcase@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:48 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network
 


No, as far as I know disconnect is not one of the problems with version 13. Of course as soon as I found fie transfers weren't supported yet I dropped it and went back to version 12 so I don't have a lot of experience with it. I then went on the web and found a lot of people went back to 12 because of missing functions such as file transfer, remote print and clipboard transfer. If your using such functions then I can't understand what's going on. The look and feel is totally different than version 12. The basic stuff seemed to work just fine but if the missing functions are hidden somewhere I didn't see where. Are you sure your on version 13?

 

Greg  

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:19 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

Hi Wayne,

 

    Is this disconnect something new in version 13?

 

    Like you, I used TV for probably 10 years, hassle free. Used version 13 today, for most of the afternoon, never got disconnected, no warnings, just a “polite Thank You” for using TeamViewer .... AFTER I logged out.

 

    It didn’t disconnect me in the 4 hours I was using it, so I don’t know why you are having a problem. That’s weird. Did you somehow download a trial “commercial user” version”. I think TV Corp is pretty wary and checks if you are suspected of using it for business. Don’t know what they may “snoop” for, in the transactions – if they actually do that. Perhaps there are “terms of service” that you acknowledge their right to do that – probably.

 

    I have heard of cases where so-called “home users” got caught and cancelled.

 

    Anyway, so far, the latest TV version is behaving no different from years of the older ones.

I would curious what you or anyone else discovers about your TV situation. I don’t think TV changed the rules for eligibility.

 

Joe

 

From: Wayne wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:44 PM

To: ap-gto@...

Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 



Joe, I used the freeware version of TeamViewer for quite a while but I got tired of it frequently reminding me that I was used my a free version and making me reconnect. Does it still do that? 

 

Waynr

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 17, 2018, at 2:37 PM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Hi Micah,

 

    While Microsoft’s “Remote Desktop” is OK when starting out ... consider using a free (for non-commercial users) copy of TEAMVIEWER.

 

    The big advantage of the latter, besides not needing a PRO version of Windows on each computer – is that BOTH PC screens & mice  remain LIVE – you can operate the mount or control your imaging program,  from indoors or outdoors. The outdoor PC does NOT logout and its screen  doesn’t go black, when you go indoors, and you don’t have to login again, on either side, as you do in “MS Remote Desktop”. You can also have friends login, or login from other computers in the house,  into your outdoor remote scope computer, to share the experience, even using their own mouse, if you let them participate fully.

 

    It is far more convenient, with added benefits like File Transfer – in both directions.

There are of course other (subscription based) remote control programs.

– Microsoft has always been a rather chincy,  “bare bones” Remote,  and forces you to install a more expensive Windows OS. Also, you can’t operate your scope computer for a “show-n-tell”,  with that  MS version,  from anywhere else, like a friend’s place, unless they also have the PRO version installed.

 

Joe Z.


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Stuart Heggie <stuart.j.heggie@...>
 

That might be it. Any time I get that warning about one of my computers being behind I just update. It is a small program and reloads really fast. 

Stuart

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM, 'Greg Salyer' astronutcase@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Perhaps I can explain what's going on. I installed version 13 without also installing version 13 on the remote computer. This has never been a problem before but maybe I was missing the functions because of the version difference. When I have a chance I'll try using version 13 on both ends. I do like the high dpi behavior of the new version better.

 

Greg

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:52 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

I've been using v 13 since it came out. It totally does file transfers. 

 

Stuart

 

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:48 PM, buckeyestargazer@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

I've been using Teamviewer also for years, including now on version 13.  There was a short time when 13 came out that is was giving annoying warnings and promotions, but those have ceased for a while now.  

 

I never get disconnected as long as there is a stable network.  Quite often I forget to exit TV before I go to bed and wake up the next morning and TV is still connected to the remote PC.  

 

I've never quite understood why people like Windows RD when much better options like TV are available for free.

joel



 

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Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Greg Salyer
 

Perhaps I can explain what's going on. I installed version 13 without also installing version 13 on the remote computer. This has never been a problem before but maybe I was missing the functions because of the version difference. When I have a chance I'll try using version 13 on both ends. I do like the high dpi behavior of the new version better.

 

Greg

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:52 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

I've been using v 13 since it came out. It totally does file transfers. 

 

Stuart

 

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:48 PM, buckeyestargazer@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

I've been using Teamviewer also for years, including now on version 13.  There was a short time when 13 came out that is was giving annoying warnings and promotions, but those have ceased for a while now.  

 

I never get disconnected as long as there is a stable network.  Quite often I forget to exit TV before I go to bed and wake up the next morning and TV is still connected to the remote PC.  

 

I've never quite understood why people like Windows RD when much better options like TV are available for free.

joel



 

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Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Stuart Heggie <stuart.j.heggie@...>
 

I've been using v 13 since it came out. It totally does file transfers. 

Stuart

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:48 PM, buckeyestargazer@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

I've been using Teamviewer also for years, including now on version 13.  There was a short time when 13 came out that is was giving annoying warnings and promotions, but those have ceased for a while now.  


I never get disconnected as long as there is a stable network.  Quite often I forget to exit TV before I go to bed and wake up the next morning and TV is still connected to the remote PC.  

I've never quite understood why people like Windows RD when much better options like TV are available for free.
joel





Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Greg Salyer
 

No, as far as I know disconnect is not one of the problems with version 13. Of course as soon as I found fie transfers weren't supported yet I dropped it and went back to version 12 so I don't have a lot of experience with it. I then went on the web and found a lot of people went back to 12 because of missing functions such as file transfer, remote print and clipboard transfer. If your using such functions then I can't understand what's going on. The look and feel is totally different than version 12. The basic stuff seemed to work just fine but if the missing functions are hidden somewhere I didn't see where. Are you sure your on version 13?

 

Greg  

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:19 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

Hi Wayne,

 

    Is this disconnect something new in version 13?

 

    Like you, I used TV for probably 10 years, hassle free. Used version 13 today, for most of the afternoon, never got disconnected, no warnings, just a “polite Thank You” for using TeamViewer .... AFTER I logged out.

 

    It didn’t disconnect me in the 4 hours I was using it, so I don’t know why you are having a problem. That’s weird. Did you somehow download a trial “commercial user” version”. I think TV Corp is pretty wary and checks if you are suspected of using it for business. Don’t know what they may “snoop” for, in the transactions – if they actually do that. Perhaps there are “terms of service” that you acknowledge their right to do that – probably.

 

    I have heard of cases where so-called “home users” got caught and cancelled.

 

    Anyway, so far, the latest TV version is behaving no different from years of the older ones.

I would curious what you or anyone else discovers about your TV situation. I don’t think TV changed the rules for eligibility.

 

Joe

 

From: Wayne wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:44 PM

Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 



Joe, I used the freeware version of TeamViewer for quite a while but I got tired of it frequently reminding me that I was used my a free version and making me reconnect. Does it still do that? 

 

Waynr

 


On Mar 17, 2018, at 2:37 PM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Hi Micah,

 

    While Microsoft’s “Remote Desktop” is OK when starting out ... consider using a free (for non-commercial users) copy of TEAMVIEWER.

 

    The big advantage of the latter, besides not needing a PRO version of Windows on each computer – is that BOTH PC screens & mice  remain LIVE – you can operate the mount or control your imaging program,  from indoors or outdoors. The outdoor PC does NOT logout and its screen  doesn’t go black, when you go indoors, and you don’t have to login again, on either side, as you do in “MS Remote Desktop”. You can also have friends login, or login from other computers in the house,  into your outdoor remote scope computer, to share the experience, even using their own mouse, if you let them participate fully.

 

    It is far more convenient, with added benefits like File Transfer – in both directions.

There are of course other (subscription based) remote control programs.

– Microsoft has always been a rather chincy,  “bare bones” Remote,  and forces you to install a more expensive Windows OS. Also, you can’t operate your scope computer for a “show-n-tell”,  with that  MS version,  from anywhere else, like a friend’s place, unless they also have the PRO version installed.

 

Joe Z.


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Joel Short
 

I've been using Teamviewer also for years, including now on version 13.  There was a short time when 13 came out that is was giving annoying warnings and promotions, but those have ceased for a while now.  

I never get disconnected as long as there is a stable network.  Quite often I forget to exit TV before I go to bed and wake up the next morning and TV is still connected to the remote PC.  

I've never quite understood why people like Windows RD when much better options like TV are available for free.
joel


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Joe Zeglinski
 

Greg,
 
    Are you saying that TV does NOT have “File Transfer”, in the free personal use version ?
I used it an hour ago, on TV version 13, and on past versions for years. Unfortunately, it isn’t File “Drag-n-Drop”, but does quite well, once you set up the from/to (left/right) pointers on its File Transfer screen.
 
    I mostly use it for my backyard remote scope, so yes, you have to “Accept Incoming LAN connections” – obviously, which isn’t a problem for an internal - home LAN.  In past years, I did get random disconnects, and was going to eventually give TV a hard time on that issue. Of course, turning on the microwave oven for rewarming my coffee, will always disconnect after about 30 seconds – that’s just the nature of 2G (2.4 GHZ)communications, and I should switch to 5G frequencies on my next Router. But, to my utter surprise, the problem FINALLY disappeared on its own, about half a year ago, and I never got a disconnect since. Hopefully, the recent version 13,  doesn’t, as you suggest screw that up again.
 
    If TV ever gets nasty, which I doubt, then I will have to find some other “Remote app” – but definitely NOT Microsoft’s lame Remote Desktop version, as it has been from day one. I think the reason why Microsoft didn’t make a “decent” Remote, is because they were forced to comply with their third party software companies – not to compete with their better commercial versions. Microsoft treats commercial customers and probably developers well, and Home Users customers as cannon fodder.
 
    I think the folks at TeamViewer are doing a great job on their commercial product support product – with my hardiest gratitude and  thanks, as  a “personal use only” customer – and hope their quality service  and performance continues as it has been.
 
Joe Z.


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi Wayne,
 
    Is this disconnect something new in version 13?
 
    Like you, I used TV for probably 10 years, hassle free. Used version 13 today, for most of the afternoon, never got disconnected, no warnings, just a “polite Thank You” for using TeamViewer ... AFTER I logged out.
 
    It didn’t disconnect me in the 4 hours I was using it, so I don’t know why you are having a problem. That’s weird. Did you somehow download a trial “commercial user” version”. I think TV Corp is pretty wary and checks if you are suspected of using it for business. Don’t know what they may “snoop” for, in the transactions – if they actually do that. Perhaps there are “terms of service” that you acknowledge their right to do that – probably.
 
    I have heard of cases where so-called “home users” got caught and cancelled.
 
    Anyway, so far, the latest TV version is behaving no different from years of the older ones.
I would curious what you or anyone else discovers about your TV situation. I don’t think TV changed the rules for eligibility.
 
Joe
 

From: Wayne wayneh9026@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:44 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network
 


Joe, I used the freeware version of TeamViewer for quite a while but I got tired of it frequently reminding me that I was used my a free version and making me reconnect. Does it still do that? 
 
Waynr
 

On Mar 17, 2018, at 2:37 PM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 
Hi Micah,
 
    While Microsoft’s “Remote Desktop” is OK when starting out ... consider using a free (for non-commercial users) copy of TEAMVIEWER.
 
    The big advantage of the latter, besides not needing a PRO version of Windows on each computer – is that BOTH PC screens & mice  remain LIVE – you can operate the mount or control your imaging program,  from indoors or outdoors. The outdoor PC does NOT logout and its screen  doesn’t go black, when you go indoors, and you don’t have to login again, on either side, as you do in “MS Remote Desktop”. You can also have friends login, or login from other computers in the house,  into your outdoor remote scope computer, to share the experience, even using their own mouse, if you let them participate fully.
 
    It is far more convenient, with added benefits like File Transfer – in both directions.
There are of course other (subscription based) remote control programs.
– Microsoft has always been a rather chincy,  “bare bones” Remote,  and forces you to install a more expensive Windows OS. Also, you can’t operate your scope computer for a “show-n-tell”,  with that  MS version,  from anywhere else, like a friend’s place, unless they also have the PRO version installed.
 
Joe Z.


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Greg Salyer
 

I totally agree, but don't use version 13. It has better high dpi support but currently lacks many features (like file transfer). It should have been released only as a Beta. They do provide back versions. Get version 12. Also, to avoid disconnects you must "accept" "Incoming LAN connections" under Extras/Options/General. Teamviewer also allows control from an iPhone or iPad (and I suspect Android as well).

 

Greg

PS: I also like and use Radmin

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:38 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

 

 

Hi Micah,

 

    While Microsoft’s “Remote Desktop” is OK when starting out ... consider using a free (for non-commercial users) copy of TEAMVIEWER.

 

    The big advantage of the latter, besides not needing a PRO version of Windows on each computer – is that BOTH PC screens & mice  remain LIVE – you can operate the mount or control your imaging program,  from indoors or outdoors. The outdoor PC does NOT logout and its screen  doesn’t go black, when you go indoors, and you don’t have to login again, on either side, as you do in “MS Remote Desktop”. You can also have friends login, or login from other computers in the house,  into your outdoor remote scope computer, to share the experience, even using their own mouse, if you let them participate fully.

 

    It is far more convenient, with added benefits like File Transfer – in both directions.

There are of course other (subscription based) remote control programs.

– Microsoft has always been a rather chincy,  “bare bones” Remote,  and forces you to install a more expensive Windows OS. Also, you can’t operate your scope computer for a “show-n-tell”,  with that  MS version,  from anywhere else, like a friend’s place, unless they also have the PRO version installed.

 

Joe Z.


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Wayne Hixson
 

Joe, I used the freeware version of TeamViewer for quite a while but I got tired of it frequently reminding me that I was used my a free version and making me reconnect. Does it still do that? 

Waynr


On Mar 17, 2018, at 2:37 PM, 'Joseph Zeglinski' J.Zeglinski@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Hi Micah,
 
    While Microsoft’s “Remote Desktop” is OK when starting out ... consider using a free (for non-commercial users) copy of TEAMVIEWER.
 
    The big advantage of the latter, besides not needing a PRO version of Windows on each computer – is that BOTH PC screens & mice  remain LIVE – you can operate the mount or control your imaging program,  from indoors or outdoors. The outdoor PC does NOT logout and its screen  doesn’t go black, when you go indoors, and you don’t have to login again, on either side, as you do in “MS Remote Desktop”. You can also have friends login, or login from other computers in the house,  into your outdoor remote scope computer, to share the experience, even using their own mouse, if you let them participate fully.
 
    It is far more convenient, with added benefits like File Transfer – in both directions.
There are of course other (subscription based) remote control programs.
– Microsoft has always been a rather chincy,  “bare bones” Remote,  and forces you to install a more expensive Windows OS. Also, you can’t operate your scope computer for a “show-n-tell”,  with that  MS version,  from anywhere else, like a friend’s place, unless they also have the PRO version installed.
 
Joe Z.


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Joe Zeglinski
 

Hi Micah,
 
    While Microsoft’s “Remote Desktop” is OK when starting out ... consider using a free (for non-commercial users) copy of TEAMVIEWER.
 
    The big advantage of the latter, besides not needing a PRO version of Windows on each computer – is that BOTH PC screens & mice  remain LIVE – you can operate the mount or control your imaging program,  from indoors or outdoors. The outdoor PC does NOT logout and its screen  doesn’t go black, when you go indoors, and you don’t have to login again, on either side, as you do in “MS Remote Desktop”. You can also have friends login, or login from other computers in the house,  into your outdoor remote scope computer, to share the experience, even using their own mouse, if you let them participate fully.
 
    It is far more convenient, with added benefits like File Transfer – in both directions.
There are of course other (subscription based) remote control programs.
– Microsoft has always been a rather chincy,  “bare bones” Remote,  and forces you to install a more expensive Windows OS. Also, you can’t operate your scope computer for a “show-n-tell”,  with that  MS version,  from anywhere else, like a friend’s place, unless they also have the PRO version installed.
 
Joe Z.


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Wayne Hixson
 

Lol! So you’ll have 3 separate sessions?




On Saturday, March 17, 2018, 2:15 PM, Micah Smith micahlsmith@... [ap-gto] wrote:

 

I use remote desktop in Windows 10. I leave laptops out in the driveway then come back inside and remote in to them over WiFi. I use 2 gb routers to go from one side of the house to outside in the driveway on the other.

I use my msn account to log in to everything so remote connection from one machine to the next is easy. While my images are shooting I transfer them in to my desktop where I can get everything prepped.

I just started shooting from 3 scopes at once so this season is about to get interesting

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 1:55 PM wayneh9026@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Hi Micah, thanks! I had read that Primaluce recommended against changing login settings, but good to know it works. Might I ask what Remote Desktop app you’re using, and if you’re remoting in from a PC or a Mac?

Thanks, Wayne


Re: Remote Desktop PC access on Ad Hoc Network

Micah Smith <micahlsmith@...>
 

I use remote desktop in Windows 10. I leave laptops out in the driveway then come back inside and remote in to them over WiFi. I use 2 gb routers to go from one side of the house to outside in the driveway on the other.

I use my msn account to log in to everything so remote connection from one machine to the next is easy. While my images are shooting I transfer them in to my desktop where I can get everything prepped.

I just started shooting from 3 scopes at once so this season is about to get interesting

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 1:55 PM wayneh9026@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

Hi Micah, thanks! I had read that Primaluce recommended against changing login settings, but good to know it works. Might I ask what Remote Desktop app you’re using, and if you’re remoting in from a PC or a Mac?

Thanks, Wayne


Re: Newbie Questions

Joseph Beyer <jcbeyer@...>
 

Hank, 

I moved from the same mount to a Mach1.  Was using the 2 eleven pound weights as well and am now using 3 x 9 pound + 2 x 6 pound weights with the same setup.  My FSQ-106 plus mountings weighs in at about 21 pounds plus I use a full frame Nikon D800E. You’ll want to have the weights pushed up the counter balance shaft as far as possible to minimize the moment of inertia.  Maybe someone will have a closer setup to help you in weight selection. 

You’ll love the new mount. 

Cheers, Joe

On Mar 17, 2018, at 8:36 AM, clupus@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

Hi Folks,


I just sold my SkyWatcher Alt/Az EQ6 mount and I'm in the process of purchasing a Astro-Physics Mach1. We're going to the NEAF show in Sufferin NY in April and will pick it up on the way back to Canada. 


I'd like to start planning the setup etc. so that I don't have delays when I finally get it home, so I have some questions. 


What do I need to purchase in addition to the Mach1. I think I have a handle on the counterweights as I assume I'll need the same amount as I was using with the EQ6. 


My first problem is what mounting plate to buy. The permanent mount in my Observatory has a 11" plate on top which is adjustable for levelling and can be drilled out to accommodate bolt holes. Help with this would be appreciated.


Second problem: My Celestron SCT 11" was attached to the EQ6 with an 11" Dovetail bar (CGE). Will this work with the Mach1 or do I need a replacement, and if so what one?


My third question concerns software. I'm set up to control the scope from my house using a powered USB cable and computer (ASCOM). From what I've read on the Astro-Physics website, this mount offers choices in control including proprietary software for sale on the site. Some insights from you folks who are using AP mounts would be helpful in making my choices.


Equipment: Celestron SCT 11"/SBIG STF8300C camera/Prism software.


I'm excited about this new mount as, from what I've read, it appears it will go a long way to solving several frustrating problems that I'm having in astrophotography.


Thanks in advance,

Hank