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Re: AP portable pier vs ATS portable pier

Hemant Hariyani
 

John,

Thanks for sharing this experience. This is very helpful.

I also spoke to George at AP as well and he mentioned that the primary advantage of ATS over AP was stability. Single piece and ease of leveling is an added benefit. That said, AP is still very good at what it does. I will try and get an ATS if my budget allows.

Regards
Hemant

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:05 PM, 'John A. Sillasen' JASillasen@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

I, too, went through the AP Portable Pier to the ATS Portable Pier conversion with my own AP 1100.  After getting my 1100 very early and having a car payment and a Mach 1, I couldn't swing the ATS Portable Pier at the same time.  If you recall my posts, I bought my first AP mount simply because of an AP promise to make the RAPAS available through all their range of mounts.  I bought the Mach 1 from my motel room at NEAIC with George's careful assistance with part numbers.  A few months later, the RAPAS was indeed made available for the Mach 1.  A couple of years later and now I have the AP 1100 GTO s/n 0009 on the AP Portable Pier.  It's functional sure but getting those turnbuckles to level on Connecticut's uneven ground for a star party or public observing was not fun.

When I ordered the ATS Portable Pier through AP, George was quick to point out getting the rubber feet was a must as the metal feet would slide and dig in.

I never regretted it.  I will say while the ATS is much heavier than the AP Portable Pier, it has no extra parts to forget.  I was constantly doing pocket checks to make sure I had the base, the 3 legs, the 3 turnbuckles and rods and of course the tube.  Lighter for sure but so much more difficult to level.  I ended up bringing a short length of 2x4 just to make sure I could level it. 

I will say the AP Portable Pier works and works well and for the cost it's a no brainer when compared to that of the ATS Portable Pier.  It's easily a third the price and nearly as stable.  Well stable enough for what will go on an 1100.  The ATS is much heavier and while I haven't purchased a case for it, I did get the extra cost clear coat just to protect it from nick's, scratches and bumps.  It can easily lie down in a van or truck or tie to D rings in a cargo van which is how I transport the observing equipment.

If you're out to purchase it all at once it's a bigger nut to buy both the ATS and an AP mount.  Add a scope and well, it can add up quickly.  Now I have converted both my Mach 1 and 1100 to the CP4.  There was no issue at all using it on the ATS Portable Pier.

By the way, I never sold the AP Portable Pier either.  It may be needed someday when I don't feel like dragging he ATS in its coffin size shipping box out to an observing site.  Ok so maybe I am a bit of a pack rat but they don't call me inspector gadget for nothing.

John A. Sillasen



Re: Having Trouble with V2 Driver

W Hilmo
 

The V2 ASCOM driver lets you connect multiple ASCOM clients.

 

The virtual ports in APCC let you connect apps to the mount natively (ie. without going through ASCOM).

 

If all the software you want to use is ASCOM compliant, then you’d be fine with just the V2 driver.  If you have software that connects directly to the mount without going through ASCOM, then you’d want the virtual ports that APCC provides.

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Having Trouble with V2 Driver

 

 

If the V2 driver had the multi-connect capability, what is the requirement for the virtual serial ports in APCC?

 

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, eggerk@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:

 

I too use the V2 driver as a hub without APCC. However I did have a problem once and I don't recollect exactly the details but all devices have to have the same administrative privileges in Windows (e.g. Run as Administrator) for all devices to connect simultaneously. There is a post somewhere from Ray pointing me in the right direction on this but I can't find it quickly. 

...Keith

 


Re: Having Trouble with V2 Driver

dave@...
 

For programs that don't use ascom. maybe you don't want to use the ap v2 ascom driver and use the native bisque driver in theskyx which connects to a com port. 


Re: Shortening the height of G11 tripod

Dean S
 

Remember that the overall foot print will be smaller as well so might possibly affect stability.

Otherwise no reason it could not be done if you have the tools.

Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: 'John Shutz' jshutz@... [ap-gto]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 3:18 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Shortening the height of G11 tripod

Don, yes, the height is right, but leveling on uneven ground will be an issue, especially with the way my backyard slopes towards the middle where the drains are. Also, I wanted something to handle uneven ground I might find at a dark sky location.

Thanks



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Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Shortening the height of G11 tripod





John

Have you considered an AP portable pier with a 32" or possibly a 24" pier?



Don Anderson



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To: ap-gto@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:30 PM
Subject: [ap-gto] Shortening the height of G11 tripod





I have a 900GTO and came to realize it is too tall to safely mount my recently purchased 11" EdgeHD SCT. To the middle of the saddle is around 54" and when the EdgeHD is fully loaded, it weighs in at around 42 lbs. I also have issues with a twice operated on left shoulder and knee (motorcycle accident), notwithstanding a broken back and pelvis too. So I've decided to look at some possible solutions.



The set up doesn't have to be as tall as it is, with an 80mm guide scope on top of the SCT the thing is 7' tall. I was wondering if anyone here has ever cut the tripod legs on their G11 tripod? I know to do so you would have to cut the inner adjustable sleeves as well, but it doesn't seem too complicated if I were to enlist the help of a machinist to do it right.



The tripod stands at around 35.6" high, I can see chopping it down by 10"-12", that would put the saddle at a comfortable mounting height. I haven't really looked at the tubes or taken it apart, just throwing this out to see if anyone else has done this. I know one drawback is the likely hood of devaluing the tripod, even if it's the older model non adjustable one. As a comparison, my CEM60EC mount/tripod is about 44" to mid saddle and that is ideal.



John











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Re: Having Trouble with V2 Driver

smithned753@...
 

Sorry.  I missed Ray's earlier reply.


Re: Shortening the height of G11 tripod

John Shutz
 

Don, yes, the height is right, but leveling on uneven ground will be an issue, especially with the way my backyard slopes towards the middle where the drains are. Also, I wanted something to handle uneven ground I might find at a dark sky location.

Thanks



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Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Shortening the height of G11 tripod





John

Have you considered an AP portable pier with a 32" or possibly a 24" pier?



Don Anderson



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From: "jshutz@... [ap-gto]" <ap-gto@...>
To: ap-gto@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:30 PM
Subject: [ap-gto] Shortening the height of G11 tripod





I have a 900GTO and came to realize it is too tall to safely mount my recently purchased 11" EdgeHD SCT. To the middle of the saddle is around 54" and when the EdgeHD is fully loaded, it weighs in at around 42 lbs. I also have issues with a twice operated on left shoulder and knee (motorcycle accident), notwithstanding a broken back and pelvis too. So I've decided to look at some possible solutions.



The set up doesn't have to be as tall as it is, with an 80mm guide scope on top of the SCT the thing is 7' tall. I was wondering if anyone here has ever cut the tripod legs on their G11 tripod? I know to do so you would have to cut the inner adjustable sleeves as well, but it doesn't seem too complicated if I were to enlist the help of a machinist to do it right.



The tripod stands at around 35.6" high, I can see chopping it down by 10"-12", that would put the saddle at a comfortable mounting height. I haven't really looked at the tubes or taken it apart, just throwing this out to see if anyone else has done this. I know one drawback is the likely hood of devaluing the tripod, even if it's the older model non adjustable one. As a comparison, my CEM60EC mount/tripod is about 44" to mid saddle and that is ideal.



John


Re: Shortening the height of G11 tripod

Don Anderson
 

John
Have you considered an AP portable pier with a 32" or possibly a 24" pier?
 
Don Anderson



From: "jshutz@... [ap-gto]"
To: ap-gto@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:30 PM
Subject: [ap-gto] Shortening the height of G11 tripod

 
I have a 900GTO and came to realize it is too tall to safely mount my recently purchased 11" EdgeHD SCT.  To the middle of the saddle is around 54" and when the EdgeHD is fully loaded, it weighs in at around 42 lbs. I also have issues with a twice operated on left shoulder and knee (motorcycle accident), notwithstanding a broken back and pelvis too.  So I've decided to look at some possible solutions.

The set up doesn't have to be as tall as it is, with an 80mm guide scope on top of the SCT the thing is 7' tall.  I was wondering if anyone here has ever cut the tripod legs on their G11 tripod? I know to do so you would have to cut the inner adjustable sleeves as well, but it doesn't seem too complicated if I were to enlist the help of a machinist to do it right. 

The tripod stands at around 35.6" high, I can see chopping it down by 10"-12", that would put the saddle at a comfortable mounting height. I haven't really looked at the tubes or taken it apart, just throwing this out to see if anyone else has done this.  I know one drawback is the likely hood of devaluing the tripod, even if it's the older model non adjustable one.  As a comparison, my CEM60EC mount/tripod is about 44" to mid saddle and that is ideal.  

John 



Shortening the height of G11 tripod

John Shutz
 

I have a 900GTO and came to realize it is too tall to safely mount my recently purchased 11" EdgeHD SCT.  To the middle of the saddle is around 54" and when the EdgeHD is fully loaded, it weighs in at around 42 lbs. I also have issues with a twice operated on left shoulder and knee (motorcycle accident), notwithstanding a broken back and pelvis too.  So I've decided to look at some possible solutions.


The set up doesn't have to be as tall as it is, with an 80mm guide scope on top of the SCT the thing is 7' tall.  I was wondering if anyone here has ever cut the tripod legs on their G11 tripod? I know to do so you would have to cut the inner adjustable sleeves as well, but it doesn't seem too complicated if I were to enlist the help of a machinist to do it right. 


The tripod stands at around 35.6" high, I can see chopping it down by 10"-12", that would put the saddle at a comfortable mounting height. I haven't really looked at the tubes or taken it apart, just throwing this out to see if anyone else has done this.  I know one drawback is the likely hood of devaluing the tripod, even if it's the older model non adjustable one.  As a comparison, my CEM60EC mount/tripod is about 44" to mid saddle and that is ideal.  


John 


Re: Having Trouble with V2 Driver

Mike C
 

If the V2 driver had the multi-connect capability, what is the requirement for the virtual serial ports in APCC?

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, eggerk@... [ap-gto] <ap-gto@...> wrote:
 

I too use the V2 driver as a hub without APCC. However I did have a problem once and I don't recollect exactly the details but all devices have to have the same administrative privileges in Windows (e.g. Run as Administrator) for all devices to connect simultaneously. There is a post somewhere from Ray pointing me in the right direction on this but I can't find it quickly. 

...Keith



Re: Having Trouble with V2 Driver

Keith Egger
 

I too use the V2 driver as a hub without APCC. However I did have a problem once and I don't recollect exactly the details but all devices have to have the same administrative privileges in Windows (e.g. Run as Administrator) for all devices to connect simultaneously. There is a post somewhere from Ray pointing me in the right direction on this but I can't find it quickly. 
...Keith


Re: Having Trouble with V2 Driver

ajynrynn@...
 

I can confirm that I can connect at least three clients SGP, PHD and CDC at the same time. I do not have APCC, but just the V2 driver connected to single com port.

Ajay


Pulse guiding via ASCOM driver vs using guider relays

Karsten Schindler
 

I am using the latest AP ASCOM driver, APCC v1.5.0.20 with a pointing model, and Maxim DL v6.13. My guide camera has a guide port.

I am debating about the best way to provide the calculated guider offsets to the mount:
a) via pulse guiding through the ASCOM driver (selcting 'ASCOM Direct' / 'Telescope')
b) old school / low level via the autoguider ports ('guider relay')

Thanks for your feedback.

Karsten




Re: The CCDWARE website needs a kick

Bill Long
 

Lots of lovely 500 errors...


This thing runs on cold fusion? That's so y2k. :D



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Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:36 PM
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Subject: [ap-gto] The CCDWARE website needs a kick
 
 

steve


The CCDWARE website needs a kick

steven ho
 

steve


Re: Having Trouble with V2 Driver

dave@...
 

The ap v2 driver is a hub. when you use your ascom chooser in your program you choose the ap v2 driver.  no com port setting required (it will say you are already connected)  If you use a specific mount driver (not ascom), such as the astro physic mount driver in thesky, you would choose one of the available virtual com ports created with apcc or if not using apcc, then the specific com port. 

Dave


Re: Having Trouble with V2 Driver

Steve Reilly
 

I think Ray did respond back on the first posting. But if you’re trying to connect two programs using the same serial port that won’t happen. If you have a program like APCC that allows you to setup virtual serial ports , than yes, more than one device can connect but using the real serial port and then that of the created virtual ports. Otherwise you can connect the driver to a program and if that program, like ACP, has an option such as ACP Hub, you can connect ACP to the telescope port and other programs can use ACP Hub to connect. Hope that makes sense.

 

Steve

 

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:09 PM
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Subject: [ap-gto] Having Trouble with V2 Driver

 

 

I can't load multiple clients on the latest driver version.  Any suggestions?  Didn't get a response to this question earlier.


Having Trouble with V2 Driver

smithned753@...
 

I can't load multiple clients on the latest driver version.  Any suggestions?  Didn't get a response to this question earlier.


Re: QHY PoleMaster to Universal Adapter

Harley Davidson
 

Thanks Peter!

tony

On 3/28/2017 6:22 PM, pnagy@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Very cool idea. Even though I have tools to do this, I am not sure I want to drill the polar sight hole cap. Also you can get right angle USB cable for more clearance if you want the PoleMaster's USB connector to face the Dec axis gearbox.

Peter



---In ap-gto@..., wrote :

In this video I use the universal adapter (PM-UMC) to mount the
PoleMaster to my 1100 mount.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=550pZhBKeRw

NOTE: for some reason my mouth got ahead of my brain. I kept calling the
"strap plate" (mending plate) a "strap wrench". After I joined the clips
together I discovered I made that mistake and didn't want to redo the video.

tony


Re: Sudden PC-to-mount connection failure (via USB-RS232)

Erik Pylyser <epylyser@...>
 

Oh dear!... thanks all for your replies...

I'm not an electrical genius, but I'll definitely check everything, before, as you said 'going any further'...

Don't want anything bad happening, in particular to the mount...

Actually, here in Europe, I'm at 230V househould, which is even worse, I guess...

Erik

P.S. Strange that I've have received comments on my mail, but haven't seen my original mail on the ap-gto list.


On 28-Mar-17 22:21, chris1011@... [ap-gto] wrote:
 

Before you go any further, unplug all connections to the mount from your computer. Get a multi-meter and check the voltage between the PC cables and the mount grounds. Check both AC and DEC voltage. You may have a leaking transformer somewhere in the system, perhaps on your 12 volt power supply, which is allowing the 110 volt household current to appear on the ground line of your power supply. This is a dangerous situation and can result in shock to yourself or worse. It can heat up the wires that you are attaching, and possibly also start a fire, or destroy the computer and CP controller.

Rolando




-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Pylyser epylyser@... [ap-gto]
To: ap-gto
Sent: Tue, Mar 28, 2017 2:29 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Sudden PC-to-mount connection failure (via USB-RS232)

Dear all,

Yesterday, suddenly, my PC-to-AP1600 connection (through keyspan
adapter) did no longer work. It had been flawless since I had my rig set
up 6 months ago.

Everything started up correctly, both on the PC and the mount. Except:
at first the keyspan USB-RS232 adapter (USA-19HS) was not recognized,
but when I changed its usb connection on the PC, the PC recognized the
keyspan USB-RS232 adapter (on COM3). However, when trying to connect to
the mount through ASCOM, it still resulted in an error.

The keyspan connector is working - apparently - properly. It's green
(blinking) light responds appropriately to its status (Idle, Busy upon
connection trial). I updated to the latest version of the Keyspan driver.

I did notice that the RS232 cable between the mount and the keyspan
adapter was actually heating up (!?) - which is something I had never
noticed before (but not checked before either). The same happens with
another different RS232 cable.

Finally, I checked the whole procedure and interfaces with another pc
(laptop), and the result is identical. No connection with the mount.

I have not changed anything to my system. The only thing I can think of
that has changed over the last couple of days is the change to
summertime, having had lots of rain (moist?) and an occasional
lighting/thunder - and, unrelated to the weather, a few minor power
interruptions.

So, at this moment in time, before considering buying a new keyspan
adapter (despite the fact it doesn't seem flawed) and/or a new RS232
cable (since the ones I have are heating up), I'd like to be sure it is
not a problem at the (top) RS232 port on the GTO control box of the
mount. How can I test this?... Could I use the lower RS232 port on the
control box in some manner for some testing?

Thanks for your suggestions!

Erik Pylyser


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Re: QHY PoleMaster to Universal Adapter

topboxman
 

Very cool idea. Even though I have tools to do this, I am not sure I want to drill the polar sight hole cap. Also you can get right angle USB cable for more clearance if you want the PoleMaster's USB connector to face the Dec axis gearbox.

Peter


---In ap-gto@..., <astrocnc@...> wrote :

In this video I use the universal adapter (PM-UMC) to mount the
PoleMaster to my 1100 mount.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=550pZhBKeRw

NOTE: for some reason my mouth got ahead of my brain. I kept calling the
"strap plate" (mending plate) a "strap wrench". After I joined the clips
together I discovered I made that mistake and didn't want to redo the video.

tony