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Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

ayiomamitis
 

Dave,

I have been absent the past 12 months or so from the AP groups thanks to *** YOUR *** trolling. Case in point is your crap below!

Anthony.

Στις 2/28/2014 21:49, ο/η Dave Goodyear έγραψε:

 
Hey Audie

Thanks for the heads up on smarttrack. Looks like i'll be going this route too. 

Waiting for apcc is like waiting for death. You know its coming, you just don't know when. (Hehe) 

Waiting and hoping has put many in the grave, waiting and hoping. 

I have never ever seen this kind of "beta" testing before nor the amount of time it has taken (besides Google Chrome) Propulsion systems, re-entry systems, comm system tests, soil system, pc operating systems, etc.    Zeta testing is what it resembles. 

I use to think the apcc developer was lagging.  But talks with others users and vendors has given me the understanding that the powers that be at AP are the real stumbling blocks on this project. 

Just think of apcc as a new ap ota. Get on the wait list and wait tell your number is called.  Or don't wait.  Theres other fish in the pond that can be caught, cleaned, cooked, and eaten immediately. 

  :p

Dave Goodyear


On Feb 27, 2014, at 7:41 PM, "Audie Hickey" <dadoferzsebet@...> wrote:

 
 
 "So hey, let’s leave this topic until there is something really new to be said, rather than hoped for or rumored at some telescope meet,  to be true."

Personally I've chosen to stop waiting and hoping.  I went ahead today and upgraded to MaximDL Pro Suite to get MaxPoint and downloaded John Winfield's SmartTrack.  That will take care of most of what I wanted APCC for and has the added benefit of working with all the mounts I own.  I'll evaluate the feature set of APCC when it is released to see if the benefit for the cost makes sense for me. 

I have great respect for Ray and everyone at AP.  I'm confident APCC will work as advertised when it is released. 

Moving on,

Audie

 
From: DavFab@...
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: [ap-gto] RE: unguided 15 min pics
 


Maybe all of this controversy would be eliminated if products were not announced until they are ready or very close to being ready for release.
 
In a message dated 2/27/2014 3:15:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dave@... writes:




Re: Mach1 Capacity

George
 

Bill,

 

The Mach1 can hold the weight…you are not going to break anything; however, we do not recommend that weight.  We estimate capacity based upon an imaging setup.  Is there a reason that you need to put two scopes on the mount instead of swapping them out?  If there is wind at the star party, you will be less satisfied.

 

We never include counterweights in the capacity ratings of our mounts, just the payload going on the mount.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

George Whitney

Astro-Physics, Inc.

Phone:  815-282-1513

Email:  george@...

 

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of patrim01@...
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 12:41 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] RE: Mach1 Capacity

 

 

Thanks All. That's what I thought but wanted to ask to be sure. I am planning on mounting both my TEC200MC and TEC APO110 side by side this weekend. Both are fairly short in length so moment arm should not be an issue. But all together with scopes, accessories, saddles and plates, I expect to be 55 to 60 lb. 

Keith mentioned AP recommendation not to exceed 97 lbs with counterweights. Where does this come from? I have not see it in my manual or on the Mach1 website.

Regards,

Bill


Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

Dave Goodyear <dave@...>
 

Hey Audie

Thanks for the heads up on smarttrack. Looks like i'll be going this route too. 

Waiting for apcc is like waiting for death. You know its coming, you just don't know when. (Hehe) 

Waiting and hoping has put many in the grave, waiting and hoping. 

I have never ever seen this kind of "beta" testing before nor the amount of time it has taken (besides Google Chrome) Propulsion systems, re-entry systems, comm system tests, soil system, pc operating systems, etc.    Zeta testing is what it resembles. 

I use to think the apcc developer was lagging.  But talks with others users and vendors has given me the understanding that the powers that be at AP are the real stumbling blocks on this project. 

Just think of apcc as a new ap ota. Get on the wait list and wait tell your number is called.  Or don't wait.  Theres other fish in the pond that can be caught, cleaned, cooked, and eaten immediately. 

  :p

Dave Goodyear


On Feb 27, 2014, at 7:41 PM, "Audie Hickey" <dadoferzsebet@...> wrote:

 

 
 "So hey, let’s leave this topic until there is something really new to be said, rather than hoped for or rumored at some telescope meet,  to be true."

Personally I've chosen to stop waiting and hoping.  I went ahead today and upgraded to MaximDL Pro Suite to get MaxPoint and downloaded John Winfield's SmartTrack.  That will take care of most of what I wanted APCC for and has the added benefit of working with all the mounts I own.  I'll evaluate the feature set of APCC when it is released to see if the benefit for the cost makes sense for me. 

I have great respect for Ray and everyone at AP.  I'm confident APCC will work as advertised when it is released. 

Moving on,

Audie

 
From: DavFab@...
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: [ap-gto] RE: unguided 15 min pics
 


Maybe all of this controversy would be eliminated if products were not announced until they are ready or very close to being ready for release.
 
In a message dated 2/27/2014 3:15:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dave@... writes:



Re: Mach1 Capacity

patrim01@...
 

Thanks All. That's what I thought but wanted to ask to be sure. I am planning on mounting both my TEC200MC and TEC APO110 side by side this weekend. Both are fairly short in length so moment arm should not be an issue. But all together with scopes, accessories, saddles and plates, I expect to be 55 to 60 lb. 
Keith mentioned AP recommendation not to exceed 97 lbs with counterweights. Where does this come from? I have not see it in my manual or on the Mach1 website.
Regards,
Bill


Re: Mach1 Capacity

Donghun
 

Take a look at these comparison photos between G11 and Mach1GTO.
You can see Mach1GTO is more substantial mount even tough it is lighter.
I doubt that G11 will handle more than Mach1GTO.


Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

dadoferzsebet
 

 
 "So hey, let’s leave this topic until there is something really new to be said, rather than hoped for or rumored at some telescope meet,  to be true."

Personally I've chosen to stop waiting and hoping.  I went ahead today and upgraded to MaximDL Pro Suite to get MaxPoint and downloaded John Winfield's SmartTrack.  That will take care of most of what I wanted APCC for and has the added benefit of working with all the mounts I own.  I'll evaluate the feature set of APCC when it is released to see if the benefit for the cost makes sense for me. 

I have great respect for Ray and everyone at AP.  I'm confident APCC will work as advertised when it is released. 

Moving on,

Audie

 

From: DavFab@...
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: [ap-gto] RE: unguided 15 min pics
 


Maybe all of this controversy would be eliminated if products were not announced until they are ready or very close to being ready for release.
 
In a message dated 2/27/2014 3:15:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dave@... writes:



Example for non-orthogonality in GTO keypad manual, page 59

Karsten.Schindler@...
 

Hello everybody,

I have a somehow off-topic question... Trying to understand the effect of non-orthogonality, I came accross the example on page 59 in the GTO keypad manual. There, the following values are stated for an exemplary orthogonality error of 1 degree:
Declination = 0deg -> Offset in R.A. 4min = 1deg
Declination = 80deg -> Offset in R.A. 8min = 2deg
Declination = 89deg -> Offset in R.A. 6h = 90deg

I can not reproduce these values, taking into account that the offset should be sec(declination) * orthogonality error. My results are:
Declination = 0deg -> Offset in R.A. = 4min = 1deg
Declination = 80deg -> Offset in R.A. = 23.04min = 5.76 deg
Declination = 89deg -> Offset in R.A. = 229.2min = 3h 49min = 57.3deg

To make the example work, I can only assume that the second declination is a typo and should read 60deg and not 80deg, and the third is rounded from 89.3deg to 89deg:
Declination = 0deg -> Offset in R.A. 4min = 1deg
Declination = 60deg -> Offset in R.A. 8min = 2deg
Declination = 89.3deg -> Offset in R.A. 6h = 90deg

I would appreciate it if somebody who loves trigonometry could briefly confirm this error or point out what I am doing wrong :-). Thanks!

Karsten


Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

Joe Zeglinski
 

Dave,
 
    I don’t think a product can be released without Beta testing. To do that effectively, you need to troll for a wide range of well experienced telescope mount users, not just average  “volunteers”, so you can cover every possible eventuality (or user screw-up). You should only do that after a reasonable amount of time and internal alpha testing, to get the real clinkers out of the Murphy pit.
 
    So, I’m glad to see Ray and AP doing it right. I have no desire to be a frustrated pioneer with an almost perfect release version.
 
So hey, let’s leave this topic until there is something really new to be said, rather than hoped for or rumored at some telescope meet,  to be true.
Joe
 

From: DavFab@...
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: [ap-gto] RE: unguided 15 min pics
 


Maybe all of this controversy would be eliminated if products were not announced until they are ready or very close to being ready for release.
 
In a message dated 2/27/2014 3:15:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dave@... writes:


Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

David Fabrizio
 

 Maybe all of this controversy would be eliminated if products were not announced until they are ready or very close to being ready for release.
 

In a message dated 2/27/2014 3:15:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dave@... writes:
 

Well said..

Dave Goodyear

KB2 Networks Inc.

214 Main St. #318

El Segundo, CA 90245

310-933-2436

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From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of john
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:37 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: [ap-gto] RE: unguided 15 min pics

Hi,

John Collins here

I've watched the APCC angst build for over a year now, and frankly, I think the users are barking at the wrong guys. There is simply no argument to be had with Ray's position of refusing to release prematurely....there is no constructive end in releasing a buggy software/firmware set. It happens all the time throughout the world in retail and professional circles and it leaves everyone running around aimlessly and spending much time and money adapting a limping product. AP currently is held in high regard in my experience--my 1600GTO is literally the only product I've ever had that assembled without issues, fired up and found its target on the first run---that's a fabulous product and good documentation, not to mention the firmware. If I bought a quickly-released APCC that was bug-infested, it would severely damage AP's position on my pedestal of high regard. So grant Ray the time and input to get it right.

Having said that, in my experience, the customers are not just impatient or cranky. The mistake AP is making is in the marketing at shows and on the web site: for example, at AIC2013, AP had a terrific display that included APCC running for demonstration. I was told release was planned immediately after the show in one discussion, "shortly", "immenently", and watch the website" in other discussions. I heard talk at the meals about APCC being released and that morped into "they aren't selling at the show, but I'll buy it when I get home". Clearly, deliberate or not (I suspect not), the wrong expectation is being set.

So my hopefully-constructive suggestion to AP is to keep striving for excellence in products AND stop presenting APCC in such encouragingly vague ways--the customer will always draw unintended conclusions when you do. Today, February 27, 2014, the AP website says "We anticipate that the APCC Standard and Pro versions will be available for download by Winter 2013"......winter is a long time and I the customer will always assume early winter....it is now end Feb 2014.....at best, that leaves me thinking there is some problem with delivery. I respectfully suggest:

1) Move the delivery statement to the top of the otherwise excellent web page so I don't get to the end, drooling and all excited, only to be disappointed, and
2) Update the delivery statement either to reflect currency of information OR just say what Ray has stated on the forum---AP is not targeting a specific date due to the intricacies of development, etc etc. There is not a more defensible position to be had. Given good information, AP's customers are a reasonable bunch---we just don't have good info. At the same time, AP has to keep chugging along and actually deliver, lest some other organization drop their early release bug infested thingy on us and bait us all into oblivion---so save us from oblivion, AP!!

thanks for listening

John Collins
SW Oregon
_____________________________________________

On 2/27/2014 10:41 AM, Dave Goodyear wrote:

Oh come on!

Just do live human guinea pig testing like the pharmaceutical companies! :p.

Dave Goodyear



On Feb 27, 2014, at 5:52 AM, "Ray Gralak (Groups)" wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

Dave Goodyear <dave@...>
 

Well said..



Dave Goodyear

KB2 Networks Inc.

214 Main St. #318

El Segundo, CA 90245

310-933-2436



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From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:37 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: [ap-gto] RE: unguided 15 min pics





Hi,

John Collins here

I've watched the APCC angst build for over a year now, and frankly, I think the users are barking at the wrong guys. There is simply no argument to be had with Ray's position of refusing to release prematurely....there is no constructive end in releasing a buggy software/firmware set. It happens all the time throughout the world in retail and professional circles and it leaves everyone running around aimlessly and spending much time and money adapting a limping product. AP currently is held in high regard in my experience--my 1600GTO is literally the only product I've ever had that assembled without issues, fired up and found its target on the first run---that's a fabulous product and good documentation, not to mention the firmware. If I bought a quickly-released APCC that was bug-infested, it would severely damage AP's position on my pedestal of high regard. So grant Ray the time and input to get it right.

Having said that, in my experience, the customers are not just impatient or cranky. The mistake AP is making is in the marketing at shows and on the web site: for example, at AIC2013, AP had a terrific display that included APCC running for demonstration. I was told release was planned immediately after the show in one discussion, "shortly", "immenently", and watch the website" in other discussions. I heard talk at the meals about APCC being released and that morped into "they aren't selling at the show, but I'll buy it when I get home". Clearly, deliberate or not (I suspect not), the wrong expectation is being set.

So my hopefully-constructive suggestion to AP is to keep striving for excellence in products AND stop presenting APCC in such encouragingly vague ways--the customer will always draw unintended conclusions when you do. Today, February 27, 2014, the AP website says "We anticipate that the APCC Standard and Pro versions will be available for download by Winter 2013"......winter is a long time and I the customer will always assume early winter....it is now end Feb 2014.....at best, that leaves me thinking there is some problem with delivery. I respectfully suggest:

1) Move the delivery statement to the top of the otherwise excellent web page so I don't get to the end, drooling and all excited, only to be disappointed, and
2) Update the delivery statement either to reflect currency of information OR just say what Ray has stated on the forum---AP is not targeting a specific date due to the intricacies of development, etc etc. There is not a more defensible position to be had. Given good information, AP's customers are a reasonable bunch---we just don't have good info. At the same time, AP has to keep chugging along and actually deliver, lest some other organization drop their early release bug infested thingy on us and bait us all into oblivion---so save us from oblivion, AP!!

thanks for listening

John Collins
SW Oregon
_____________________________________________

On 2/27/2014 10:41 AM, Dave Goodyear wrote:

Oh come on!



Just do live human guinea pig testing like the pharmaceutical companies! :p.

Dave Goodyear
On Feb 27, 2014, at 5:52 AM, "Ray Gralak (Groups)" <groups2@gralak.com> wrote:







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

john <john@...>
 

Hi,

John Collins here

I've watched the APCC angst build for over a year now, and frankly, I think the users are barking at the wrong guys.  There is simply no argument to be had with Ray's position of refusing to release prematurely....there is no constructive end in releasing a buggy software/firmware set.  It happens all the time throughout the world in retail and professional circles and it leaves everyone running around aimlessly and spending much time and money adapting a limping product.  AP currently is held in high regard in my experience--my 1600GTO is literally the only product I've ever had that assembled without issues, fired up and found its target on the first run---that's a fabulous product and good documentation, not to mention the firmware.  If I bought a quickly-released APCC that was bug-infested, it would severely damage AP's position on my pedestal of high regard.  So grant Ray the time and input to get it right.

Having said that, in my experience, the customers are not just impatient or cranky.  The mistake AP is making is in the marketing at shows and on the web site:  for example, at AIC2013, AP had a terrific display that included APCC running for demonstration.  I was told release was planned immediately after the show in one discussion, "shortly", "immenently", and watch the website" in other discussions.  I heard talk at the meals about APCC being released and that morped into "they aren't selling at the show, but I'll buy it when I get home".  Clearly, deliberate or not (I suspect not), the wrong expectation is being set.

So my hopefully-constructive suggestion to AP is to keep striving for excellence in products AND stop presenting APCC in such encouragingly vague ways--the customer will always draw unintended conclusions when you do.  Today, February 27, 2014, the AP website says "We anticipate that the APCC Standard and Pro versions will be available for download by Winter 2013"......winter is a long time and I the customer will always assume early winter....it is now end Feb 2014.....at best, that leaves me thinking there is some problem with delivery.  I respectfully suggest:

1)  Move the delivery statement to the top of the otherwise excellent web page so I don't get to the end, drooling and all excited, only to be disappointed, and
2)  Update the delivery statement either to reflect currency of information OR just say what Ray has stated on the forum---AP is not targeting a specific date due to the intricacies of development, etc etc.  There is not a more defensible position to be had.  Given good information, AP's customers are a reasonable bunch---we just don't have good info.  At the same time, AP has to keep chugging along and actually deliver, lest some other organization drop their early release bug infested thingy on us and bait us all into oblivion---so save us from oblivion, AP!!

thanks for listening

John Collins
SW Oregon
_____________________________________________

On 2/27/2014 10:41 AM, Dave Goodyear wrote:
Oh come on!  

Just do live human guinea pig testing like the pharmaceutical companies!  :p. 

Dave Goodyear


On Feb 27, 2014, at 5:52 AM, "Ray Gralak (Groups)" <groups2@...> wrote:


Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

Dave Goodyear <dave@...>
 

Oh come on!  

Just do live human guinea pig testing like the pharmaceutical companies!  :p. 

Dave Goodyear


On Feb 27, 2014, at 5:52 AM, "Ray Gralak (Groups)" <groups2@...> wrote:

 

> Based on my Dilbert Calendar...
>
> I would guess at NEAF

Why do you guys bother asking questions that have been asked and answered multiple times? The answer isn't going to change. We are not targeting a specific calendar date so you won't get an exact date until just before launch. Asking for it isn't going to make it happen any faster!

There are a lot of factors (not just APCC) that are involved in testing. We want to ensure highest quality so we have been testing across a wide group of beta testers. Lately only a few bugs have been reported so we think we are close. Our last couple showstoppers are verifying proper southern hemisphere operation and a tiny fix to the firmware.

>In aerospace you miss the deadline, you're not getting on the rocket.

And failures have happened in aerospace projects because teams had to finish within deadlines, sometimes with fatal results.

-Ray Gralak
Author of Astro-Physics Command Center (APCC)
Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of dadoferzsebet@...
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:52 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: RE: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: [ap-gto] RE: unguided 15 min pics
>
>
>
> Based on my Dilbert Calendar...
>
> I would guess at NEAF
>
> ;-)
>
> Audie
>
>
>


Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

Joe Zeglinski
 

Ditto – keep on doing the excellent job you have always done for us, Ray !
I can wait.
 
    Does anybody recall the day that the Hubble “met its launch date” – and took off with everyone knowing it would be space garbage for years?
Took a while, and wasted repair missions,  along with lots of money to get it right, long time  after meeting the launch.
Or, the Mars probe that crashed with faulty metric firmware, which was expected to be fixed while in transit ?
 
Publish or perish is not always the right way.
The only good deadlines ...  are deadlines well met.
 
Enjoying the skies today, is not incumbent on an APCC release date.
Hangin’ in there ...
Joe Z.
 

Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: [ap-gto] RE: unguided 15 min pics

Hear hear Ray! The Challenger crew would have been a whole lot better off missing that rocket.


Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

dadoferzsebet
 



Hi Ray,

I understand your perspective relative to producing a good product.  

Audie




Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

Don Anderson
 

Hear hear Ray! The Challenger crew would have been a whole lot better off missing that rocket.



On Feb 27, 2014, at 6:52 AM, "Ray Gralak \(Groups\)" <groups2@...> wrote:

 

> Based on my Dilbert Calendar...
>
> I would guess at NEAF

Why do you guys bother asking questions that have been asked and answered multiple times? The answer isn't going to change. We are not targeting a specific calendar date so you won't get an exact date until just before launch. Asking for it isn't going to make it happen any faster!

There are a lot of factors (not just APCC) that are involved in testing. We want to ensure highest quality so we have been testing across a wide group of beta testers. Lately only a few bugs have been reported so we think we are close. Our last couple showstoppers are verifying proper southern hemisphere operation and a tiny fix to the firmware.

>In aerospace you miss the deadline, you're not getting on the rocket.

And failures have happened in aerospace projects because teams had to finish within deadlines, sometimes with fatal results.

-Ray Gralak
Author of Astro-Physics Command Center (APCC)
Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of dadoferzsebet@...
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:52 PM
> To: ap-gto@...
> Subject: RE: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: [ap-gto] RE: unguided 15 min pics
>
>
>
> Based on my Dilbert Calendar...
>
> I would guess at NEAF
>
> ;-)
>
> Audie
>
>
>


Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

Ray Gralak \(Groups\) <groups2@...>
 

To answer your question, probably because it was presented back in 2010 at AIC and I've been waiting for over 3
years for the opportunity to buy it.
And we have posted several times why there have been delays. It's not just APCC. The driver and the biggest firmware upgrade ever attempted have also been in testing. It's a complicated system and very costly to test but even more costly to you guys and AP if we were to hand out firmware (for instance) that had a major bug that we missed because it hadn't been tested well enough. In fact that has already happened more than once.

-Ray Gralak
Author of Astro-Physics Command Center (APCC)
Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma


-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Audie Hickey
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:36 AM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: [ap-gto] RE: unguided 15 min pics



Hi Ray,


To answer your question, probably because it was presented back in 2010 at AIC and I've been waiting for over 3
years for the opportunity to buy it. I keep hoping with every major show that comes the announcement will be made
that it is available for purchase. NEAF just happens to be the next one right now.


Respectfully,


Audie


On Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:52 AM, Ray Gralak (Groups) <groups2@gralak.com> wrote:


Based on my Dilbert Calendar...

I would guess at NEAF
Why do you guys bother asking questions that have been asked and answered multiple times? The answer isn't
going to change. We are not targeting a specific calendar date so you won't get an exact date until just before launch.
Asking for it isn't going to make it happen any faster!

There are a lot of factors (not just APCC) that are involved in testing. We want to ensure highest quality so we have
been testing across a wide group of beta testers. Lately only a few bugs have been reported so we think we are close.
Our last couple showstoppers are verifying proper southern hemisphere operation and a tiny fix to the firmware.

In aerospace you miss the deadline, you're not getting on the rocket.
And failures have happened in aerospace projects because teams had to finish within deadlines, sometimes with fatal
results.

-Ray Gralak
Author of Astro-Physics Command Center (APCC)
Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dadoferzsebet@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:52 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: [ap-gto] RE: unguided 15 min pics



Based on my Dilbert Calendar...

I would guess at NEAF

;-)

Audie







Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

dadoferzsebet
 

Hi Ray,

To answer your question, probably because it was presented back in 2010 at AIC and I've been waiting for over 3 years for the opportunity to buy it.  I keep hoping with every major show that comes the announcement will be made that it is available for purchase.  NEAF just happens to be the next one right now.

Respectfully,

Audie


On Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:52 AM, Ray Gralak (Groups) wrote:
 
> Based on my Dilbert Calendar...
>
> I would guess at NEAF

Why do you guys bother asking questions that have been asked and answered multiple times? The answer isn't going to change. We are not targeting a specific calendar date so you won't get an exact date until just before launch. Asking for it isn't going to make it happen any faster!

There are a lot of factors (not just APCC) that are involved in testing. We want to ensure highest quality so we have been testing across a wide group of beta testers. Lately only a few bugs have been reported so we think we are close. Our last couple showstoppers are verifying proper southern hemisphere operation and a tiny fix to the firmware.

>In aerospace you miss the deadline, you're not getting on the rocket.

And failures have happened in aerospace projects because teams had to finish within deadlines, sometimes with fatal results.

-Ray Gralak
Author of Astro-Physics Command Center (APCC)
Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma

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> Based on my Dilbert Calendar...
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> I would guess at NEAF
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> Audie
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Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

Ray Gralak \(Groups\) <groups2@...>
 

Based on my Dilbert Calendar...

I would guess at NEAF
Why do you guys bother asking questions that have been asked and answered multiple times? The answer isn't going to change. We are not targeting a specific calendar date so you won't get an exact date until just before launch. Asking for it isn't going to make it happen any faster!

There are a lot of factors (not just APCC) that are involved in testing. We want to ensure highest quality so we have been testing across a wide group of beta testers. Lately only a few bugs have been reported so we think we are close. Our last couple showstoppers are verifying proper southern hemisphere operation and a tiny fix to the firmware.

In aerospace you miss the deadline, you're not getting on the rocket.
And failures have happened in aerospace projects because teams had to finish within deadlines, sometimes with fatal results.

-Ray Gralak
Author of Astro-Physics Command Center (APCC)
Author of PEMPro: http://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: http://www.gralak.com/apdriver
Author of PulseGuide: http://www.pulseguide.com
Author of Sigma: http://www.gralak.com/sigma


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Based on my Dilbert Calendar...

I would guess at NEAF

;-)

Audie



Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

dadoferzsebet
 

Based on my Dilbert Calendar...

I would guess at NEAF

;-)

Audie


Re: APCC Beta Testing -- Wass: RE: RE: unguided 15 min pics

Dave Goodyear <dave@...>
 

I'm trying not to take release/ship dates so seriously any more in this field.   Whether it's software, telescopes, mounts, solar scopes, etc, it's always next week or next month, their shipping, we're in the final stage, etc. 

It's really frustrating to especially when astronomy and the aerospace field overlap. In aerospace you miss the deadline, you're not getting on the rocket. 

Dave Goodyear


On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:41 AM, "destrehandave@..." <destrehandave@...> wrote:

 

Just to keep the topic from getting cold...  I'm wondering what the Las Vegas 'over and under' odds would be for the APCC release date: 3 months, 6 months... a year?
Whenever it's released, I'm sure it will be a game changer!  I'm pumped!
Destrehan Dave

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