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Re: SERIAL PORTS

Rodolphe Pineau <pineau@...>
 

On Oct 18, 2012, at 23:17, tucstargzr wrote:


http://www.amazon.com/HDE-9-Pin-Serial-Ethernet-Adapter/sim/B004F72A9I/2

Disclaimer: I have not used any of these.

Tom

These cable are console cable used to connect to network equipment on their serial port. The RJ45 in this case is NOT an Ethernet connection but a serial connection.
The pinout of the RJ45 side can be found on cisco website (http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps332/products_tech_note09186a0080094ce6.shtml).
DO NOT plug these in a network port on you computer or switch.

Rodolphe

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, "toristorii" <toris@...> wrote:

If AP were to introduce a GTOCP4 with an ethernet port instead of or in addition to the serial ports, I would happily order two.

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, Pete Su <pete.su@> wrote:

I could get behind Ethernet.

I find the fascination with RS232 in astronomy circles to be puzzling.
While there are certainly reasons that embedded industrial control
applications still use them (super simple device interfaces) this is
not what we are doing with telescope mounts. Telescope mounts (and
cameras, and all the other devices) use the serial line to send
commands to the mount controller which are then translated into lower
level signal to the motors or whatnot. The only rational reason I can
see to prefer RS232 for this above anything else is cable length, but
even that's a red herring IMHO. Ethernet cable runs can be just as
long and what "everyone" ends up doing anyway is to remote control the
mount using a second computer and TCP/IP, which doesn't even need a
wire.

So yeah, ethernet. It's almost as old as RS-232 anyway (invented in
the 70s, vs. the 60s).

Pete



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Re: SERIAL PORTS

tucstargzr
 

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, "toristorii" <toris@...> wrote:

If AP were to introduce a GTOCP4 with an ethernet port instead of or in addition to the serial ports, I would happily order two.

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, Pete Su <pete.su@> wrote:

I could get behind Ethernet.

I find the fascination with RS232 in astronomy circles to be puzzling.
While there are certainly reasons that embedded industrial control
applications still use them (super simple device interfaces) this is
not what we are doing with telescope mounts. Telescope mounts (and
cameras, and all the other devices) use the serial line to send
commands to the mount controller which are then translated into lower
level signal to the motors or whatnot. The only rational reason I can
see to prefer RS232 for this above anything else is cable length, but
even that's a red herring IMHO. Ethernet cable runs can be just as
long and what "everyone" ends up doing anyway is to remote control the
mount using a second computer and TCP/IP, which doesn't even need a
wire.

So yeah, ethernet. It's almost as old as RS-232 anyway (invented in
the 70s, vs. the 60s).

Pete


Re: 1600GTO Latitude Dimension Calculator

tucstargzr
 

Thanks, Howard. VERY much appreciate you taking the time to do this.

Tom

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, Howard <howard@...> wrote:

Hi Everybody,

I'm sorry this took so long, but it's finally finished. The Latitude Dimension Calculator now includes the 1600GTO as well as the 3600GTO. The 1600GTO column was built with dimensions taken directly from our new CAD software, so I am confident that the input data is all correct. I, of course, could still have made some errors in the Excel formulas, but everything appears to be correct so far. I have confirmed several different latitude settings, but could not check every calculation at every possible latitude.

In the short term, I would suggest that you always download the spreadsheet from the website, rather than saving a copy to your hard drive for future use. That way, if we do find a calculation error that I can fix, you will always be using the most up-to-date version. As an example, there is one field in the 3600GTO column that is shaded in blue. I am not satisfied with the accuracy of this calculation, but have not yet found my error. I may be able to fix it once we get the 3600GTO drawings moved to the new CAD software.

http://www.astro-physics.com/tech_support/mounts/latitude-dimension-calc4.xls

Happy observatory planning!

May your skies be clear, dark and steady!

Howard Hedlund
Technical Support and Communication
Astro-Physics, Inc.
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
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Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

Christopher Erickson
 

Ah, the Apple world and it colorful, mysterious denizens...

And I forgot all about Firewire/IEEE-1394!

My apologies!

I even still have a Firewire camera with no computer that can connect or
control it...

Christopher Erickson
Consulting Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Hank Sielski
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:57 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

Chris,

Actually, the HDMI port is gone on my MacBook Pro...replaced by a
Thunderbolt port (sort of Firewire++, I guess)...I do have a couple of USB
ports, though ;-)

Hank

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Christopher Erickson <
christopher.k.erickson@gmail.com> wrote:

**


First there was PCMCIA 1.
Then there was PCMCIA 2.
Then came CardBus (PCMCIA form factor)
Then came ExpressPCI (1/2 PCMCIA form factor)
Then came MiniPCI internal (tiny circuit board with edge connector)

PCMCIA, CardBus and ExpressPCI are all deader than a boar hog at a Luau.

Modern laptops (with a few rather expensive exceptions) only have Sound
in/out, USB, Ethernet, HDMI and maybe a VGA connector. And the VGA
connector is gonna be gone soon. Next will be the Sound in/out and then
the
Ethernet port.

As Apple would say "why would any reasonable person need more than WiFi,
HDMI and USB?"

Present/future interfaces include cellular data connectivity and digital
sound.

Even the venerable keyboard and mouse are on the laptop endangered-list.


Christopher Erickson
Consulting Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com

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geoff
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:53 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

My 2009 Toshiba does. Look carefully. They are covered and don't appear as
an obvious slot
Geoff

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, "CurtisC" <calypte@...> wrote:

My 2006 Toshiba and 2010 Asus don't have PCMCIA slots or any other
slots.
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Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

Hank Sielski
 

Chris,

Actually, the HDMI port is gone on my MacBook Pro...replaced by a
Thunderbolt port (sort of Firewire++, I guess)...I do have a couple of USB
ports, though ;-)

Hank

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Christopher Erickson <
christopher.k.erickson@gmail.com> wrote:

**


First there was PCMCIA 1.
Then there was PCMCIA 2.
Then came CardBus (PCMCIA form factor)
Then came ExpressPCI (1/2 PCMCIA form factor)
Then came MiniPCI internal (tiny circuit board with edge connector)

PCMCIA, CardBus and ExpressPCI are all deader than a boar hog at a Luau.

Modern laptops (with a few rather expensive exceptions) only have Sound
in/out, USB, Ethernet, HDMI and maybe a VGA connector. And the VGA
connector is gonna be gone soon. Next will be the Sound in/out and then the
Ethernet port.

As Apple would say "why would any reasonable person need more than WiFi,
HDMI and USB?"

Present/future interfaces include cellular data connectivity and digital
sound.

Even the venerable keyboard and mouse are on the laptop endangered-list.


Christopher Erickson
Consulting Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
geoff
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:53 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

My 2009 Toshiba does. Look carefully. They are covered and don't appear as
an obvious slot
Geoff

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, "CurtisC" <calypte@...> wrote:

My 2006 Toshiba and 2010 Asus don't have PCMCIA slots or any other slots.
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NASA Ames Research Center
Bldg 210, Room 145, M/S 210-8
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Cell: 408-781-1544
Email: henry.sielski@nasa.gov
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Re: Mach 1 PEC training with eyepiece or autoguider?

Suresh Mohan
 

I would choose autoguider with phd with exposures of frames of at least 3 secs , however I'd recommend going the PEMPRO way
Suresh
On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:20 AM, "Stuart Forman" <s24man@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

If I wanted to do PEC (or PEM as the manual says) training for my Mach1, the manual has two methods. I have a high magnification double lined illuminated eyepiece, and also an Orion Starshoot autougider which I use PHD for.

What would be the preferred method of doing PEC training? Should I use the eyepiece or use the autoguider with PHD? Or am I missing something?

Stuart


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Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

Christopher Erickson
 

First there was PCMCIA 1.
Then there was PCMCIA 2.
Then came CardBus (PCMCIA form factor)
Then came ExpressPCI (1/2 PCMCIA form factor)
Then came MiniPCI internal (tiny circuit board with edge connector)

PCMCIA, CardBus and ExpressPCI are all deader than a boar hog at a Luau.

Modern laptops (with a few rather expensive exceptions) only have Sound
in/out, USB, Ethernet, HDMI and maybe a VGA connector. And the VGA
connector is gonna be gone soon. Next will be the Sound in/out and then the
Ethernet port.

As Apple would say "why would any reasonable person need more than WiFi,
HDMI and USB?"

Present/future interfaces include cellular data connectivity and digital
sound.

Even the venerable keyboard and mouse are on the laptop endangered-list.

Christopher Erickson
Consulting Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
geoff
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:53 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

My 2009 Toshiba does. Look carefully. They are covered and don't appear as
an obvious slot
Geoff

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, "CurtisC" <calypte@...> wrote:

My 2006 Toshiba and 2010 Asus don't have PCMCIA slots or any other slots.



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Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

Geoff Smith
 

My 2009 Toshiba does. Look carefully. They are covered and don't appear as an obvious slot
Geoff

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, "CurtisC" <calypte@...> wrote:

My 2006 Toshiba and 2010 Asus don't have PCMCIA slots or any other slots.


Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

CurtisC
 

My 2006 Toshiba and 2010 Asus don't have PCMCIA slots or any other slots.

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, "Wade A. Hilmo" <y.groups@...> wrote:

PCMCIA is an old standard. At some point along the way, it was replaced by
PC Card (which may be the same thing, but renamed).



My current laptop (a Lenovo W520) was the first machine I owned without
PCMCIA support, but it does have a PC Card Express 34 slot (and PC Card
Express seems to have been renamed ExpressCard). Your Dell is probably the
same. I was able to find a serial card to fit the new slot for about the
same price as the PCMCIA ones. I have found the "real" serial ports to be
far more reliable than any USB-to-serial adapter, even the Keyspan ones.



Here's a Wikipedia article describing the various PC Card options:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard



And here's a link to an example of a two port serial card for the PC Card
Express 34 slot:



http://www.amazon.com/Syba-Serial-RS232-ExpressCard-SD-EXP15010/dp/B002S53IH
2/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8
<http://www.amazon.com/Syba-Serial-RS232-ExpressCard-SD-EXP15010/dp/B002S53I
H2/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1350598143&sr=8-10&keywords=expresscard+serial+po
rt> &qid=1350598143&sr=8-10&keywords=expresscard+serial+port



I hope this helps,

-Wade







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From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gregory
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:45 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?





Although I could be wrong. I think PCMCIA cards are a thing of the past. My
latest Dell doesn't have the slots, just DVD and BlueRay.

Gregory

From: chris1011@... <mailto:chris1011%40aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:40 AM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?


You cannot put a PCMCIA card into your laptop? There's a place for one in my
Dell laptop. Here's one for $29.00:
http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info
<http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69&produ
cts_id=251> &cPath=69&products_id=251

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: popkrab <mailto:popkrab%40yahoo.com>
To: ap-gto <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:33 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

I have a Mach1GTO and it works very fine except when I do polar alignment
routine by using star drift method.

I use this mount for imaging by connecting the mount to my laptop computer.
I
would like to know why AP don't provide a USB port on CP3 controller box?
What
is a different between old fashion serial port and new USB 2.0 port? Because
I
have to buy a good quality USB2serial adapter. Sometime this adapter was
fail
during imaging session. If I can choose, I would preferred a USB connection
than
serial port.

What are good points of serial over USB interface?

Thank you very much.
POP

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Re: SERIAL PORTS (was: cannot connect gto CP3 to the SKy 6)

primeclash
 

I use 4-port Tripplite and Icron Ranger in my observatory. I had a couple BSODs but now I connect the Icron and cold boot the HP Win64 laptop and it's been reliable since.

I'm running my ST-10XME plus Pyxis rotator, Robofocus, and of course the 1200GTO.

Regards,
Louis Marchesi

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, Zak Foreman <zakky2k@...> wrote:

I'd love to hear more peoples experience using the combination of the Icron Ranger and the Tripplite Keyspan (4 port in my case). I assume Geralds problems are the exception rather than the rule?

I was hoping to use these to remote control the 1600 and cameras/accessories, especially during the cooler months (reached -18C some nights last winter, a bit too chilly for my liking!).

I would be using a Dell XPS / Win7 64 bit laptop.

Thanks!

Zak


Mach 1 PEC training with eyepiece or autoguider?

Stuart Forman
 

Hi all,

If I wanted to do PEC (or PEM as the manual says) training for my Mach1, the manual has two methods. I have a high magnification double lined illuminated eyepiece, and also an Orion Starshoot autougider which I use PHD for.

What would be the preferred method of doing PEC training? Should I use the eyepiece or use the autoguider with PHD? Or am I missing something?

Stuart


Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

W Hilmo
 

PCMCIA is an old standard. At some point along the way, it was replaced by
PC Card (which may be the same thing, but renamed).



My current laptop (a Lenovo W520) was the first machine I owned without
PCMCIA support, but it does have a PC Card Express 34 slot (and PC Card
Express seems to have been renamed ExpressCard). Your Dell is probably the
same. I was able to find a serial card to fit the new slot for about the
same price as the PCMCIA ones. I have found the "real" serial ports to be
far more reliable than any USB-to-serial adapter, even the Keyspan ones.



Here's a Wikipedia article describing the various PC Card options:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard



And here's a link to an example of a two port serial card for the PC Card
Express 34 slot:



http://www.amazon.com/Syba-Serial-RS232-ExpressCard-SD-EXP15010/dp/B002S53IH
2/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8
<http://www.amazon.com/Syba-Serial-RS232-ExpressCard-SD-EXP15010/dp/B002S53I
H2/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1350598143&sr=8-10&keywords=expresscard+serial+po
rt> &qid=1350598143&sr=8-10&keywords=expresscard+serial+port



I hope this helps,

-Wade







_____

From: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ap-gto@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gregory
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:45 PM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?





Although I could be wrong. I think PCMCIA cards are a thing of the past. My
latest Dell doesn't have the slots, just DVD and BlueRay.

Gregory

From: chris1011@aol.com <mailto:chris1011%40aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:40 AM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?


You cannot put a PCMCIA card into your laptop? There's a place for one in my
Dell laptop. Here's one for $29.00:
http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info
<http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69&produ
cts_id=251> &cPath=69&products_id=251

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: popkrab <mailto:popkrab%40yahoo.com>
To: ap-gto <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:33 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

I have a Mach1GTO and it works very fine except when I do polar alignment
routine by using star drift method.

I use this mount for imaging by connecting the mount to my laptop computer.
I
would like to know why AP don't provide a USB port on CP3 controller box?
What
is a different between old fashion serial port and new USB 2.0 port? Because
I
have to buy a good quality USB2serial adapter. Sometime this adapter was
fail
during imaging session. If I can choose, I would preferred a USB connection
than
serial port.

What are good points of serial over USB interface?

Thank you very much.
POP

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Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

Christopher Erickson
 

I would love to see a gradual migration to a modular interface socket, where
the user would have a choice of swappable interface modules, including:

RS-232 - Still the universal denominator
USB-HID - USB interface that wouldn't need drivers!
Ethernet/IPv4-IPv6 - Rock-solid, multi-device interface with unlimited
distance
Ethernet/IPv4-IPv6 with PoE - Ethernet with power, all in one connector
FTDI fiber-optic - All of the benefits of Ethernet with lightning and ESD
immunity!
WiFi - For iPhones, iPads and the WiFi'd observatory
Bluetooth - For Android phones, tablets and more
Xbee wireless - For the more-serious astro-geek robotic observatory
I2C - Fast & simple multi-device interface standard used between
microcontrollers

And of course more modules could come out in the future, as computer
interfaces evolve over time.

I would be thrilled if AP were to lead the way into the future with a
modular interface socket that would be available to other manufacturers as a
licensed or license-free standard.

Each module would be about 3/4" x 3/4" x 1.5" and would plug flush into a
matching socket on the mount's control box.

I think this would be a great boon to mounts, focusers, filter wheels,
optical manifolds, rotators, dome controllers and all other observatory
devices that have low data rate requirements. Cameras and such will always
need high-bandwidth interfaces that will follow the latest interface
standards and will always be at a greater risk of quick-obsolescence
accordingly. Anybody want a camera with a parallel or SCSI interface? I
got boxes of them.

Years ago I remember arguments from stubborn Apple Mac users about why
didn't GOTO mounts have SCSI-II interfaces. Sounded just like the arguments
for USB today.

Christopher Erickson
Consulting Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com

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Daniel Marcus
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:05 AM
To: AstroPhysics E-group
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?


Hi Anthony
my poor laptop only has one serial, 1parallel, 1 eithernet and 2 USB1
ports : (( Can't cram in the USB2 and extra serial adapters into the slots
at the same time as they will not fit. Really need a good way to control the
mounts, and supporting equipment easily. There should be a way to get -
camera, guide camera, mount, filter wheel, focusers (2) and possibly a
filter tuner and extra focuser and camera for those with Halpha scopes.
Never mind the roof or dome controls, weather inputs, and cameras to view
remote what is going on. That is a lot of stuff to get working all at once.
Be nice to have a hub to plug them all into at the mount and then send the
signals back via a single LONG cable to where your main computer is located.
With a big lightning arrestor protecting the whole thing! Need a good IT guy
to get it sorted out. I'm with AP though, I want a device that will not
become obsolete. I intend to own the mount for 20 to 30 years, and I want it
to run on Windows ver 45. Serial will be around for a LONG time, and mounts,
focusers and filterwheels do not need fast communications unlike cameras.
Have 2 PCI serial cards in the main obs computer, works just fine. Have more
troubles with the USB extender hub and drivers than I do with the serial
ports.
Either net would be nice if there was an easy way to assign all the stuff.

Daniel Marcus

To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
From: ayiomami@otenet.gr
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:52:08 +0300
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?


























Similar cards exist for USB2.0 for those of us whose laptops are

exclusively USB1.1. Some software and hardware, specifically requires USB2.



Anthony.



???? 10/18/2012 20:40, ?/? chris1011@aol.com ??????:

You cannot put a PCMCIA card into your laptop? There's a place for one
in my Dell laptop. Here's one for $29.00:
http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69&produc
ts_id=251

Rolando
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From: popkrab <popkrab@yahoo.com <mailto:popkrab%40yahoo.com>>
To: ap-gto <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:33 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?
I have a Mach1GTO and it works very fine except when I do polar alignment
routine by using star drift method.
I use this mount for imaging by connecting the mount to my laptop
computer. I
would like to know why AP don't provide a USB port on CP3 controller
box? What
is a different between old fashion serial port and new USB 2.0 port?
Because I
have to buy a good quality USB2serial adapter. Sometime this adapter
was fail
during imaging session. If I can choose, I would preferred a USB
connection than
serial port.
What are good points of serial over USB interface?
Thank you very much.
POP

























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Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

Gregory <fyrframe@...>
 

Although I could be wrong. I think PCMCIA cards are a thing of the past. My latest Dell doesn’t have the slots, just DVD and BlueRay.

Gregory

From: chris1011@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:40 AM
To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?


You cannot put a PCMCIA card into your laptop? There's a place for one in my Dell laptop. Here's one for $29.00:
http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69&products_id=251

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: popkrab <mailto:popkrab%40yahoo.com>
To: ap-gto <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:33 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

I have a Mach1GTO and it works very fine except when I do polar alignment
routine by using star drift method.

I use this mount for imaging by connecting the mount to my laptop computer. I
would like to know why AP don't provide a USB port on CP3 controller box? What
is a different between old fashion serial port and new USB 2.0 port? Because I
have to buy a good quality USB2serial adapter. Sometime this adapter was fail
during imaging session. If I can choose, I would preferred a USB connection than
serial port.

What are good points of serial over USB interface?

Thank you very much.
POP

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Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

Daniel Marcus
 

Hi Anthony
my poor laptop only has one serial, 1parallel, 1 eithernet and 2 USB1 ports : (( Can't cram in the USB2 and extra serial adapters into the slots at the same time as they will not fit. Really need a good way to control the mounts, and supporting equipment easily. There should be a way to get - camera, guide camera, mount, filter wheel, focusers (2) and possibly a filter tuner and extra focuser and camera for those with Halpha scopes. Never mind the roof or dome controls, weather inputs, and cameras to view remote what is going on. That is a lot of stuff to get working all at once. Be nice to have a hub to plug them all into at the mount and then send the signals back via a single LONG cable to where your main computer is located. With a big lightning arrestor protecting the whole thing! Need a good IT guy to get it sorted out. I'm with AP though, I want a device that will not become obsolete. I intend to own the mount for 20 to 30 years, and I want it to run on Windows ver 45. Serial will be around for a LONG time, and mounts, focusers and filterwheels do not need fast communications unlike cameras. Have 2 PCI serial cards in the main obs computer, works just fine. Have more troubles with the USB extender hub and drivers than I do with the serial ports.
Either net would be nice if there was an easy way to assign all the stuff.

Daniel Marcus

To: ap-gto@yahoogroups.com
From: ayiomami@otenet.gr
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:52:08 +0300
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?


























Similar cards exist for USB2.0 for those of us whose laptops are

exclusively USB1.1. Some software and hardware, specifically requires USB2.



Anthony.



???? 10/18/2012 20:40, ?/? chris1011@aol.com ??????:

You cannot put a PCMCIA card into your laptop? There's a place for one
in my Dell laptop. Here's one for $29.00:
http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69&products_id=251
Rolando
-----Original Message-----
From: popkrab <popkrab@yahoo.com <mailto:popkrab%40yahoo.com>>
To: ap-gto <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:33 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?
I have a Mach1GTO and it works very fine except when I do polar alignment
routine by using star drift method.
I use this mount for imaging by connecting the mount to my laptop
computer. I
would like to know why AP don't provide a USB port on CP3 controller
box? What
is a different between old fashion serial port and new USB 2.0 port?
Because I
have to buy a good quality USB2serial adapter. Sometime this adapter
was fail
during imaging session. If I can choose, I would preferred a USB
connection than
serial port.
What are good points of serial over USB interface?
Thank you very much.
POP


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Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

Roland Christen
 

Serial ports are rugged, USB not. Serial can be used outside in extreme environments. USB is not rated for outdoor use. We just had a long complete discussion in previous posts about serial versus USB. Please refer to these.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: geoff <ghsmith45@gmail.com>
To: ap-gto <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 1:57 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?


The poster's original question still awaits an answer. Why use a serial port
instead of a USB port?
Geoff

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Ayiomamitis <ayiomami@...> wrote:

Similar cards exist for USB2.0 for those of us whose laptops are
exclusively USB1.1. Some software and hardware, specifically requires USB2.

Anthony.

???? 10/18/2012 20:40, ?/? chris1011@... ??????:


You cannot put a PCMCIA card into your laptop? There's a place for one
in my Dell laptop. Here's one for $29.00:
http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69&products_id=251

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: popkrab <popkrab@... <mailto:popkrab%40yahoo.com>>
To: ap-gto <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:33 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

I have a Mach1GTO and it works very fine except when I do polar alignment
routine by using star drift method.

I use this mount for imaging by connecting the mount to my laptop
computer. I
would like to know why AP don't provide a USB port on CP3 controller
box? What
is a different between old fashion serial port and new USB 2.0 port?
Because I
have to buy a good quality USB2serial adapter. Sometime this adapter
was fail
during imaging session. If I can choose, I would preferred a USB
connection than
serial port.

What are good points of serial over USB interface?

Thank you very much.
POP






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Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

Geoff Smith
 

The poster's original question still awaits an answer. Why use a serial port instead of a USB port?
Geoff

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Ayiomamitis <ayiomami@...> wrote:

Similar cards exist for USB2.0 for those of us whose laptops are
exclusively USB1.1. Some software and hardware, specifically requires USB2.

Anthony.

???? 10/18/2012 20:40, ?/? chris1011@... ??????:


You cannot put a PCMCIA card into your laptop? There's a place for one
in my Dell laptop. Here's one for $29.00:
http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69&products_id=251

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: popkrab <popkrab@... <mailto:popkrab%40yahoo.com>>
To: ap-gto <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:33 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

I have a Mach1GTO and it works very fine except when I do polar alignment
routine by using star drift method.

I use this mount for imaging by connecting the mount to my laptop
computer. I
would like to know why AP don't provide a USB port on CP3 controller
box? What
is a different between old fashion serial port and new USB 2.0 port?
Because I
have to buy a good quality USB2serial adapter. Sometime this adapter
was fail
during imaging session. If I can choose, I would preferred a USB
connection than
serial port.

What are good points of serial over USB interface?

Thank you very much.
POP


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Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

ayiomamitis
 

Similar cards exist for USB2.0 for those of us whose laptops are
exclusively USB1.1. Some software and hardware, specifically requires USB2.

Anthony.

???? 10/18/2012 20:40, ?/? chris1011@aol.com ??????:



You cannot put a PCMCIA card into your laptop? There's a place for one
in my Dell laptop. Here's one for $29.00:
http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69&products_id=251

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: popkrab <popkrab@yahoo.com <mailto:popkrab%40yahoo.com>>
To: ap-gto <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:33 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

I have a Mach1GTO and it works very fine except when I do polar alignment
routine by using star drift method.

I use this mount for imaging by connecting the mount to my laptop
computer. I
would like to know why AP don't provide a USB port on CP3 controller
box? What
is a different between old fashion serial port and new USB 2.0 port?
Because I
have to buy a good quality USB2serial adapter. Sometime this adapter
was fail
during imaging session. If I can choose, I would preferred a USB
connection than
serial port.

What are good points of serial over USB interface?

Thank you very much.
POP


Re: Why AP mount don't have a USB port?

Roland Christen
 

You cannot put a PCMCIA card into your laptop? There's a place for one in my Dell laptop. Here's one for $29.00:
http://www.usconverters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69&products_id=251

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: popkrab <popkrab@yahoo.com>
To: ap-gto <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:33 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Why AP mount don't have a USB port?


I have a Mach1GTO and it works very fine except when I do polar alignment
routine by using star drift method.

I use this mount for imaging by connecting the mount to my laptop computer. I
would like to know why AP don't provide a USB port on CP3 controller box? What
is a different between old fashion serial port and new USB 2.0 port? Because I
have to buy a good quality USB2serial adapter. Sometime this adapter was fail
during imaging session. If I can choose, I would preferred a USB connection than
serial port.

What are good points of serial over USB interface?

Thank you very much.
POP




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Re: SERIAL PORTS

Roland Christen
 

It is in the plan to do such.

Rolando

-----Original Message-----
From: toristorii <toris@wrero.org>
To: ap-gto <ap-gto@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 12:23 pm
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: SERIAL PORTS


If AP were to introduce a GTOCP4 with an ethernet port instead of or in addition
to the serial ports, I would happily order two.

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups.com, Pete Su <pete.su@...> wrote:

I could get behind Ethernet.

I find the fascination with RS232 in astronomy circles to be puzzling.
While there are certainly reasons that embedded industrial control
applications still use them (super simple device interfaces) this is
not what we are doing with telescope mounts. Telescope mounts (and
cameras, and all the other devices) use the serial line to send
commands to the mount controller which are then translated into lower
level signal to the motors or whatnot. The only rational reason I can
see to prefer RS232 for this above anything else is cable length, but
even that's a red herring IMHO. Ethernet cable runs can be just as
long and what "everyone" ends up doing anyway is to remote control the
mount using a second computer and TCP/IP, which doesn't even need a
wire.

So yeah, ethernet. It's almost as old as RS-232 anyway (invented in
the 70s, vs. the 60s).

Pete



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