Re: question re a preplanned observing session...
Dean S
Hi Phil,
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Have you considered an automation program like CCDCommander? It is very easy to learn, will do multiple targets, focus with Focusmax, plate solve, etc. I had it doing that my first night and got all objects in the center of the CCD. The program itself is not expensive by todays standards, and Matt offers a free trial. Dean
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From: "philipdombrowski" <phil.dombrowski@...> To: <ap-gto@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 7:46 AM Subject: [ap-gto] question re a preplanned observing session... Dear Howard, Roland & any group member that knows the answer to my
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question re a preplanned observing session...
philipdombrowski <phil.dombrowski@...>
Dear Howard, Roland & any group member that knows the answer to my
question.... If I am doing a nightly sequence of variable star observations is there a way to have a preplanned (pre-programmed) sequence of targets so that I can simply go from one star to the next without having to enter the RA & DEC of each target star? On any given night I may want to do 15 variable stars and it would be most desirable to go from one star to the next without the re entering of coordinates. Earlier Vstar observers would likely tell me that a "good" observer would just know how to get from one star to the next from my knowledge of the night sky! However, I would like to take advantage of the AP1200's full capabilities. Many of my target stars are in fields were I am looking for a target that my only be 12th mag or fainter. A feature that may already be on the AP1200 that I am unaware of would be rather "cushy". I very much appreciate your response. Phil Dombrowski Glastonbury, CT
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Re: question re a preplanned observing session...
Roland Christen
Digital Sky Voice, which we used to provide with our mounts, also has a
planned observing feature. Rolando ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
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Re: question re a preplanned observing session...
Roland Christen
In a message dated 9/17/2008 6:47:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
phil.dombrowski@... writes: Dear Howard, Roland & any group member that knows the answer to myThere is no function like that in the AP servo or keypad. However, what you are describing is a scripting program. I know Bob Denny sells one. You will need a laptop to run a scripting program. Anyone out there have any other software recommendations? Rolando ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
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Re: Wish List
Ladislav Nemec <nemecl@...>
Basically, the 'custom RA/Dec' is the same as the 'PC object'. Not surprised
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that the AP control is as good as the Gemini. Actually, there are situations where Gemini wants to additional align/sync to the WRONG object. Happened to me several time, one has to start from a scratch - the mapping of the skies become completely wrong (logically). LN
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From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of chris1011@... Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:40 PM To: ap-gto@... Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Wish List In a message dated 9/16/2008 6:58:34 PM Central Daylight Time, nemecl@earthlink. <mailto:nemecl%40earthlink.net> net writes: BTW, the Gemni hand controller coexists happily with the planetariumthe program calling it a 'PC object' - its coordinates have to be communicatedBTW, the AP keypad aslo coexists happily with the planetarium program. It even syncs (or recals) with an object selected by the program, calling it a custom 'RA/Dec' - its coordinates also have to be communicated to the AP keypad after all. So, how does one do this? In the Objects Menu window, one presses RA/Dec=> This automatically uploads the present RA/Dec number to the keypad. To set the internal keypad to this new position, simply exit (press Menu), press bottom right hand button, then press Rcal. This sets the internal RA/Dec of the keypad to the same location as is on the computer screen. If the object is not in the center of the eyepiece or CCD image, you can center the object further using the direction buttons. Once it is centered, press Rcal again to define this new position as the original RA/Dec. You will see on the planetarium program that as you center the object in the eyepiece via the buttons, the cursor will move away from the object center on the screen, and as soon as you press Rcal, the cursor will move back to the center of the object on your planetarium screen. With this simple method you have essentially "Synced" the planetarium program, the mount internal position and where the scope is really pointing. The point of this is simple: if you want the keypad to do a recal, then you must set it up so that the last object in the keypad memory IS the one you are pointing to. If you point to something with a planetarium program, then the only way the keypad knows this is for it to monitor the position of the servo via the RA/DEC=> also known as the digital setting circle readout. Does this make sense? Rolando ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelis <http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014> t.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
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Re: Wish List
Ladislav Nemec <nemecl@...>
Thanks for your description. It saves some time for the 'poor relative'. I
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have to think how this relates to similar commands of my Gemini. As they say 'let me think'. Best, LN
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From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of chris1011@... Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:12 PM To: ap-gto@... Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Wish List In a message dated 9/16/2008 6:58:34 PM Central Daylight Time, nemecl@earthlink. <mailto:nemecl%40earthlink.net> net writes: I have to learn (AP manuals are available online) what the differenceRcal allows you to update the present position to the RA/Dec coordinates that you wish this position to be, regardless of whether the telescope is on the proper side of the moutn or not. Sync is for initial setup where you place the scope on the opposite side of the mount where the object is (i.e. if the object is in the west, you place the scope on the east side). Sync therefore defines the proper relation ship of the scope and mount at initial setup. These two commands allow you subsequently to image past the meridian if you wish, with scope under the mount, so that you can do continuous tracking without having to flip the scope around. You can send the scope under the mount in the east with the object in the east, and then begin imaging the entire night without flip, until next morning when the object reaches the western horizon. Yes, it require just a tiny bit more intelligence on the part of the user versus some other systems, but I truly believe that all of our customers have more than enough grey matter to master this simple thing. We could have made the system easier, but this would have eliminated some neat features. Rolando ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelis <http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014> t.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
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Re: Wish List
Dick Steinberg
Not only does this make sense, but it answers the original request for
a way to put the keypad back in control after using a planetarium program slew. THANKS, Roland! Dick Steinberg --- In ap-gto@..., chris1011@... wrote: selected by the communicatedprogram calling it a 'PC object' - its coordinates have to be program. Itto Gemini for a slew, after all.BTW, the AP keypad aslo coexists happily with the planetarium even syncs (or recals) with an object selected by the program,calling it a custom 'RA/Dec' - its coordinates also have to be communicated tothe AP keypad after all.RA/Dec=> This automatically uploads the present RA/Dec number to the keypad.To set the internal keypad to this new position, simply exit (press Menu),press bottom right hand button, then press Rcal. This sets the internal RA/Dec ofthe keypad to the same location as is on the computer screen. If the object isnot in the center of the eyepiece or CCD image, you can center the objectfurther using the direction buttons. Once it is centered, press Rcal again todefine this new position as the original RA/Dec. You will see on the planetariumprogram that as you center the object in the eyepiece via the buttons, thecursor will move away from the object center on the screen, and as soon as youpress Rcal, the cursor will move back to the center of the object on yourplanetarium screen. With this simple method you have essentially "Synced" theplanetarium program, the mount internal position and where the scope is reallypointing. then you must set it up so that the last object in the keypad memory IS theone you are pointing to. If you point to something with a planetarium program,then the only way the keypad knows this is for it to monitor the position ofthe servo via the RA/DEC=> also known as the digital setting circle readout.
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Re: Wish List
Ladislav Nemec <nemecl@...>
Interesting. I am using TheSky6 exclusively with my Gemini for remote
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control and, as far as I can tell, it calculates meridian line correctly. No idea about the horizon, I do not want to have anything to do with horizon. I park through the ASCOM driver in the Gemini 'home' position also called CWD position (counter-weight down). In that position the Sun can never shine into the scope (due north at altitude 34 for my location). I think this is the safest parking position but this may be a matter of opinion. BTW, the Gemni hand controller coexists happily with the planetarium program, it even syncs (or additional aligns) with an object selected by the program calling it a 'PC object' - its coordinates have to be communicated to Gemini for a slew, after all. I have to learn (AP manuals are available online) what the difference between 'rcal' (recalibrate) and 'sync' for the AP mount is. Gemini is different - sync is sync (shifting the mapped coordinates without changing the model), 'additional align' is modifying the model to improve future pointing. Sorry for bringing the experiences of a 'poor relative' here. Just for the record, the bug in TheSky6 may have existed some time ago but I do not believe it does now. TheSky knows (it's a US law) when the switch from ST to DT takes place and adjusts, I believe, the value of the difference between local civil time and UTC. LN The current version of TheSky6 is 6.0.0.58
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From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of chris1011@... Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:20 AM To: ap-gto@... Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Wish List In a message dated 9/16/2008 11:02:46 AM Central Daylight Time, dean@... <mailto:dean%40cwdi.com> writes: I suspect my problem is in the time settings now that you said park is inThe Sky6 parks it wrong because it does not account for daylight savings when it calculates the horizon and meridian lines. This is a bug in the program which should be fixed in the latest version of the program. Rolando ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelis <http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014> t.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
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Re: Where is the PEC stored?
PEC is stored in the GTOCPx control box. You can turn it on or off
from either the keypad or a PC, but it is stored and maintained in the GTO control box. Mag. 7 skies! Howard Hedlund Astro-Physics, Inc. 815-282-1513 ________________________________ From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:22 PM To: ap-gto@... Subject: [ap-gto] Where is the PEC stored? I trained my PEC of my AP900 GTO2 last night and was wondering where it is stored. Is it the hand controller or the GTO module? If my scope is controlled by a laptop and the handcontroller is not attached would it still be there to play back? Thanks! Christopher Vedeler
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Where is the PEC stored?
Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. <vedeler@...>
I trained my PEC of my AP900 GTO2 last night and was wondering where it
is stored. Is it the hand controller or the GTO module? If my scope is controlled by a laptop and the handcontroller is not attached would it still be there to play back? Thanks! Christopher Vedeler
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Re: Wish List
Joe Zeglinski
Thanks Rolando,
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That clarifies it for me. Joe
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From: <chris1011@...> To: <ap-gto@...> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Wish List Therefore I do not recommend mixing up the GoTo and calibration functions between external software
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Re: Wish List
Roland Christen
In a message dated 9/16/2008 8:09:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
RSastro00@... writes: Not only does this make sense, but it answers the original request forYou're welcome. The keypad can constantly monitor the position of the mount regardless of where the GoTo command has come from. This is the digital setting circle function. We probably should add a faster way to Rcal to this window without having to exit, but right now the Rcal function resides in the Objects Menu, so one needs to exit RA/Dec=>. I will explore this with Charles for possible upcoming keypad upgrades. Rolando ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
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Re: Wish List
Roland Christen
In a message dated 9/16/2008 6:58:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
nemecl@... writes: BTW, the Gemni hand controller coexists happily with the planetariumBTW, the AP keypad aslo coexists happily with the planetarium program. It even syncs (or recals) with an object selected by the program, calling it a custom 'RA/Dec' - its coordinates also have to be communicated to the AP keypad after all. So, how does one do this? In the Objects Menu window, one presses RA/Dec=> This automatically uploads the present RA/Dec number to the keypad. To set the internal keypad to this new position, simply exit (press Menu), press bottom right hand button, then press Rcal. This sets the internal RA/Dec of the keypad to the same location as is on the computer screen. If the object is not in the center of the eyepiece or CCD image, you can center the object further using the direction buttons. Once it is centered, press Rcal again to define this new position as the original RA/Dec. You will see on the planetarium program that as you center the object in the eyepiece via the buttons, the cursor will move away from the object center on the screen, and as soon as you press Rcal, the cursor will move back to the center of the object on your planetarium screen. With this simple method you have essentially "Synced" the planetarium program, the mount internal position and where the scope is really pointing. The point of this is simple: if you want the keypad to do a recal, then you must set it up so that the last object in the keypad memory IS the one you are pointing to. If you point to something with a planetarium program, then the only way the keypad knows this is for it to monitor the position of the servo via the RA/DEC=> also known as the digital setting circle readout. Does this make sense? Rolando ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
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Re: Wish List
I was just about to reply and tell you I was stumped! I'm glad you
figured it out. Mag. 7 skies! Howard Hedlund Astro-Physics, Inc. 815-282-1513 ________________________________ From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of Larry Phillips Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:24 PM To: ap-gto@... Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Wish List Howard, Disregard my previous email. I inadvertently had TheSky telescope option set to Telescope API rather than AP Goto. Sorry for the bother. Larry --- In ap-gto@... <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> , "Larry Phillips" <llp41astro@...> wrote: Mach1 to TheSky the only options I have under Telescope/Options are Focusa Resume from Park before I checked on this. Do I need to do some"Howard" <howard@> wrote: Park Physics.functions on a test mount that I have set up here at Astro- theThe latest version of TheSky6 with the latest "Hot Fixes" parked hasmount correctly in all three positions. After each park, Iwould go beenthatmade. Another big advantage to having the latest version is thetelescopeBisque brothers have kindly added the RECAL option to the tabinvolved.in the Object Information box for A-P scopes. If you haven'tupgradedyour old version of TheSky6, it is worth the minor effort [mailto:ap-gto@... <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> ] On BehalfStyleList.com.Of chris1011@park is <http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014> <http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014> > )<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014
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Re: Wish List
Larry Phillips
Howard,
Disregard my previous email. I inadvertently had TheSky telescope option set to Telescope API rather than AP Goto. Sorry for the bother. Larry --- In ap-gto@..., "Larry Phillips" <llp41astro@...> wrote: Mach1 to TheSky the only options I have under Telescope/Options are Focusa Resume from Park before I checked on this. Do I need to do somePark Physics.functions on a test mount that I have set up here at Astro- theThe latest version of TheSky6 with the latest "Hot Fixes" parked hasmount correctly in all three positions. After each park, Iwould go beenthatmade. Another big advantage to having the latest version is thetelescopeBisque brothers have kindly added the RECAL option to the tabinvolved.in the Object Information box for A-P scopes. If you haven'tupgradedyour old version of TheSky6, it is worth the minor effort StyleList.com.Behalf
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Re: Wish List
Roland Christen
In a message dated 9/16/2008 6:58:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
nemecl@... writes: I have to learn (AP manuals are available online) what the differenceRcal allows you to update the present position to the RA/Dec coordinates that you wish this position to be, regardless of whether the telescope is on the proper side of the moutn or not. Sync is for initial setup where you place the scope on the opposite side of the mount where the object is (i.e. if the object is in the west, you place the scope on the east side). Sync therefore defines the proper relation ship of the scope and mount at initial setup. These two commands allow you subsequently to image past the meridian if you wish, with scope under the mount, so that you can do continuous tracking without having to flip the scope around. You can send the scope under the mount in the east with the object in the east, and then begin imaging the entire night without flip, until next morning when the object reaches the western horizon. Yes, it require just a tiny bit more intelligence on the part of the user versus some other systems, but I truly believe that all of our customers have more than enough grey matter to master this simple thing. We could have made the system easier, but this would have eliminated some neat features. Rolando ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
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Re: Wish List
Larry Phillips
Howard,
I have the latest version of TheSky6 Pro and when I connect my Mach1 to TheSky the only options I have under Telescope/Options are Focus Control and Abort Slew. All I did was initialize the mount and did a Resume from Park before I checked on this. Do I need to do some action like a goto before this appears as an option? Larry --- In ap-gto@..., "Howard" <howard@...> wrote: would go the right direction and not dive my priceless cardboard telescopeunder the mount. Then I chose a park position from the Telescope =>Options menu. It wasn't a rigorous test, but it appears that the fix hasbeen made. Another big advantage to having the latest version is thatthe Bisque brothers have kindly added the RECAL option to the telescopetab in the Object Information box for A-P scopes. If you haven'tupgraded your old version of TheSky6, it is worth the minor effort involved.Behalf Of chris1011@...park is inthatrelation to the horizon. The Sky6 parks it about an hour off so makessavingssense. However the handbox parks it correctly.The Sky6 parks it wrong because it does not account for daylight when
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Re: Where is the PEC stored?
Roland Christen
In a message dated 9/16/2008 6:22:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
vedeler@... writes: I trained my PEC of my AP900 GTO2 last night and was wondering where itPEC is stored in the servo. It is a mount servo function. Rolando ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
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Re: Wish List
I cannot speak to earlier versions, but I just tested TheSky6's Park
functions on a test mount that I have set up here at Astro-Physics. The latest version of TheSky6 with the latest "Hot Fixes" parked the mount correctly in all three positions. After each park, I re-connected and slewed to an object to be sure that the mount would go the right direction and not dive my priceless cardboard telescope under the mount. Then I chose a park position from the Telescope => Options menu. It wasn't a rigorous test, but it appears that the fix has been made. Another big advantage to having the latest version is that the Bisque brothers have kindly added the RECAL option to the telescope tab in the Object Information box for A-P scopes. If you haven't upgraded your old version of TheSky6, it is worth the minor effort involved. Mag. 7 skies! Howard Hedlund Astro-Physics, Inc. 815-282-1513 ________________________________ From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On Behalf Of chris1011@... Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:20 AM To: ap-gto@... Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Wish List In a message dated 9/16/2008 11:02:46 AM Central Daylight Time, dean@... <mailto:dean%40cwdi.com> writes: I suspect my problem is in the time settings now that you said park isin relation to the horizon. The Sky6 parks it about an hour off so thatmakes sense. However the handbox parks it correctly.The Sky6 parks it wrong because it does not account for daylight savings when it calculates the horizon and meridian lines. This is a bug in the program which should be fixed in the latest version of the program. Rolando ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014 <http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014> )
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Re: Wish List
Joe Zeglinski
Hi Rolando,
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I wasn't aware about the fine point of having to select a previous "specific named object" (star, galaxy, nebula, etc.), for the RECAL to work. So, just issuing a GOTO to a RA-DEC coordinate, with the keypad, does NOT allow it to be used for this? I figured that if I chose to hunt for keypad database "unlisted object", say a Caldwell Catalogue (ugh) object, punched in the RA & DEC, and hit GOTO, then I could RECAL on it after a bit of centering. Without this exception, the command is limited to a broad list of specific objects, from specific catalogues. I didn't realize this fine point. If so, perhaps the firmware could be augmented to create a temporary "pseudo object" name (AP-00), following any GOTO "RA-DEC" command. That should satisfy the servo, and might also extend to planetarium originated commands, thus providing a remedy to the inconsistency you described. Joe
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From: <chris1011@...> To: <ap-gto@...> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: Wish List The hand controller is always there ready to use. You just cannot recal on
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