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3600 GTO

snightingale40 <snightingale40@...>
 

Well, as I was staring at the new mount on the AP website my wife came
in and was convinced I was looking at porn.

I'm on the list, there MUST be something I can sell around here......

Seriously Marj and Roland, I hope you are taking great pride in
creating this wonderful piece of equipment. Congratulations.

Steve


Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

Joe Zeglinski
 

Paul,

.... Wait til you see the Pelican case for it :-)

Joe

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: [ap-gto] Re:3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC


Well for those that are here at AIC and see the scope up close and
personal, it makes the 1200 look like a toy.
The 3600 is MASSIVE.
well done.
...paul.



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Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

Joe Zeglinski
 

Really gorgeous mount, Marj,

I'm glad you released it before any of us has started our Christmas
shopping.
Next task ... to get approval from S.W.M.B.O. for that under the tree
surprise. :-)

Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marj" <marj@...>
To: <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC


Looks like it will come in between $19-20K, depending on the final
configuration and number of mounts we produce in a run (the more mounts, the
better the break on the material and the setup costs are spread out).


Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com
Please include this e-mail with your response.

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]On Behalf Of
uthin8er
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:17 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC



--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups. <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Marj"
<marj@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Roland kept our secret (barely) <g>. He was bursting at the seams.

We are so excited to introduce our HUGE new GTO mount, which we have
nicknamed - El Capitan. How fittting that we introduce it with
Yosemite so near to San Jose (well, compared to IL).

Check the information on our website for details and see how it
dwarfs teh 1200GTO.
http://www.astro-
<http://www.astro-physics.com/products/mounts/3600gto/3600gto.htm>
physics.com/products/mounts/3600gto/3600gto.htm

I am preparing some photos that will be posted on our events page
this afternoon.......

Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com
Please include this e-mail with your response.


Marj, that is HUGE! All the talk in another forum is, "How much $$"
I'm betting 15K for the mount alone.
Roland is still keeping that a secret, huh?











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Re: OT: Comet 17 / P Holmes: Stokes Parameter polariztion difference image and Halpha

Richard Crisp
 

aligned particles of the right size relative to the wavelength of light will polarize light

you can get the same effect off the surface of a lake too

the flow can align the particles: both solar wind for the comet as a whole and the mass outflow from a jet: both can have the effect of aligning elongated particles more or less in the same orientation

here's a bit of info from a friend:

thanks to Dr. Liebrecht Venter for bringing this to my attention, I'd say that the polarization difference imaging method I used to photograph 17/P Holmes apparently is a useful diagnostic technique to probe the comet's composition

http://www.springerlink.com/content/p25k608154667745/

Polarization of Light Scattered by Cometary Dust Particles: Observations and Tentative Interpretations
Journal Space Science Reviews
Publisher Springer Netherlands
ISSN 0038-6308 (Print) 1572-9672 (Online)
Issue Volume 90, Numbers 1-2 / October, 1999
DOI 10.1023/A:1005250131509
Pages 163-168
Subject Collection Physics and Astronomy
SpringerLink Date Monday, October 25, 2004


A.-Chantal Levasseur-Regourd


Abstract Analysis of the polarization of light scattered by cometary particles reveals similarities amongst the phase curves, together with some clear differences: i) comets with a strong silicate emission feature present a high maximum in polarization, ii) the polarization is always slightly lower than the average in inner comae and stronger in jet-like structures. These results are in excellent agreement with the Greenberg model of dust particles built up of fluffy aggregates of much smaller grains. Also, they suggest the existence of different regions of formation, and of different stages of evolution for the scattering particles inside a given cometary coma.
Comets - Dust particles - Scattering - Polarization

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Thurmond
To: ap-gto@...
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] OT: Comet 17 / P Holmes: Stokes Parameter polariztion difference image and Halpha


Very interesting to see that jet. Why do you suppose the jet
polarizes the light? And would that jet show up on a doppler Halpha
image, if one could be made?

Rick

On Oct 25, 2007, at 6:42 24AM, Richard Crisp wrote:

> Halpha image: it is what I had handy at the moment:
>
> http://www.narrowbandimaging.com/comet_17_P_holmes_page.htm
>
> polarization difference image
>
> http://www.narrowbandimaging.com/comet_17_p_holmes_stokes_page.htm
>
> the jet is visible emanating from the core when viewed as a
> polarization
> difference color image
>
> quite interesting....
> be sure to look at the highest rez version
>
>
>
>
>


Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

Joe Zeglinski
 

Good guess Jerry,

I see you must have been a fan of the "6 Million Dollar Man" TV series
where he cost 6 Megabucks, but his dog Maxamillion ... only a megabuck. But, I
see that you can be right - it will be interesting. I just hope you aren't
putting prices in Roland's head, prematurely, or it will be a self fulfilling
prophecy :-)

Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Lodriguss" <lists5@...>
To: <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC


At 04:16 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
Marj, that is HUGE! All the talk in another forum is, "How much $$"
I'm betting 15K for the mount alone.
Roland is still keeping that a secret, huh?
15K for that mount?

You are going to be sadly disappointed.

Meade sells their big mount for that $30K, surely an AP mount must be
worth, I would guess, 2-3 times that much.

The Takahashi EM-2500 Temma-2 Mount with a 155 lb. load capacity is $46K.

If you base it solely on the relationship between the mount number
and the price of a fully equipped mount (counterweights, dovetail,
etc)... AP900 is about 9K, AP1200 about 12K, then the price would be
about 36K for the 3600 mount... I'm betting more.

Let's get up a pool and maybe Roland will give a free one as a prize
to the one who guesses correctly!

:-)

Jerry






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Re: OT: Comet 17 / P Holmes: Stokes Parameter polariztion difference image and Halpha

Rick Thurmond
 

Very interesting to see that jet. Why do you suppose the jet
polarizes the light? And would that jet show up on a doppler Halpha
image, if one could be made?

Rick

On Oct 25, 2007, at 6:42 24AM, Richard Crisp wrote:

Halpha image: it is what I had handy at the moment:

http://www.narrowbandimaging.com/comet_17_P_holmes_page.htm

polarization difference image

http://www.narrowbandimaging.com/comet_17_p_holmes_stokes_page.htm

the jet is visible emanating from the core when viewed as a
polarization
difference color image

quite interesting....
be sure to look at the highest rez version





Re: AIC 2007 - Day 1 pics

teche70
 

Thanks for the pics Ray.
Todd


--- In ap-gto@..., "Ray Gralak" <rgr@...> wrote:

Here's some pictures from Day 1 at AIC (sorry not much time to
check them
very carefully). Adam Block did a great presentation on image
processing
techniques. There are 4 pics of the El Capitan mount (AP 3600GTO
Mount). It
is just beautiful!

http://www.gralak.com/Astro/AIC2007/Day_1/

-Ray Gralak


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Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

Jerry Lodriguss
 

Hi Marj,

That's very impressive!

Jerry



At 06:05 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
Looks like it will come in between $19-20K, depending on the final configuration and number of mounts we produce in a run (the more mounts, the better the break on the material and the setup costs are spread out).


Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com
Please include this e-mail with your response.

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]On Behalf Of uthin8er
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:17 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC



--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups. <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Marj" <marj@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Roland kept our secret (barely) <g>. He was bursting at the seams.

We are so excited to introduce our HUGE new GTO mount, which we have
nicknamed - El Capitan. How fittting that we introduce it with
Yosemite so near to San Jose (well, compared to IL).

Check the information on our website for details and see how it
dwarfs teh 1200GTO.
http://www.astro-
<http://www.astro-physics.com/products/mounts/3600gto/3600gto.htm> physics.com/products/mounts/3600gto/3600gto.htm

I am preparing some photos that will be posted on our events page
this afternoon.......

Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com
Please include this e-mail with your response.


Marj, that is HUGE! All the talk in another forum is, "How much $$"
I'm betting 15K for the mount alone.
Roland is still keeping that a secret, huh?











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Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

Jerry Lodriguss
 

At 06:58 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
It's entirely likely that the AP3600 is/was meant to provide those AP
Customers a mount that is equal to or surpasses the Bisque mount. And
from the looks of they have indeed done exactly that. So in that light
$15K would be about right.
Hi Bill,

I thought the AP 1200 was direct competition to the Paramount. The payload capacity for the AP1200 is 140 lbs and 150 lbs for the Paramount.

Jerry


Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

Paul M
 

Well for those that are here at AIC and see the scope up close and personal, it makes the 1200 look like a toy.
The 3600 is MASSIVE.
well done.
...paul.


Re: NEW El Capitan 3600GTO

Jerry Lodriguss
 

At 08:22 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
The first prototype that is being installed in Antarctica has
such a configuration that allows tracking 24 hours per day.
How does it work so that the cables don't get twisted and tangled up inside?

Jerry


Re: NEW El Capitan 3600GTO

Richard Crisp
 

thanks, that solves the problem that concerned me Roland.

this is a very exciting development

i want to see the astrographic pier when you get a chance to post it.

thanks for the update!
rdc

----- Original Message -----
From: howard4ap
To: ap-gto@...
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: NEW El Capitan 3600GTO


--- In ap-gto@..., Richard Crisp <rdcrisp@...> wrote:

> One thought though: for a really big "observatory scope" it would
seem to be advantageous to have a fork mount: no meridian swap needed
>

Hi from AIC:

Believe it or not, this new mount can be configured with an
astrographic pier to allow all-sky coverage with no meridian swap. The
advantage over a fork is more compact size and lower vibration for an
given weight. When I get back next week I will post an image of this
concept. The first prototype that is being installed in Antarctica has
such a configuration that allows tracking 24 hours per day.

Rolando


Re: NEW El Capitan 3600GTO

Howard Hedlund
 

--- In ap-gto@..., Richard Crisp <rdcrisp@...> wrote:

One thought though: for a really big "observatory scope" it would
seem to be advantageous to have a fork mount: no meridian swap needed

Hi from AIC:

Believe it or not, this new mount can be configured with an
astrographic pier to allow all-sky coverage with no meridian swap. The
advantage over a fork is more compact size and lower vibration for an
given weight. When I get back next week I will post an image of this
concept. The first prototype that is being installed in Antarctica has
such a configuration that allows tracking 24 hours per day.

Rolando


AIC 2007 - Day 1 pics

Ray Gralak <rgr@...>
 

Here's some pictures from Day 1 at AIC (sorry not much time to check them
very carefully). Adam Block did a great presentation on image processing
techniques. There are 4 pics of the El Capitan mount (AP 3600GTO Mount). It
is just beautiful!

http://www.gralak.com/Astro/AIC2007/Day_1/

-Ray Gralak


Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

Richard Crisp
 

not only what Bill said, AP doesn't normally engage in the widely practiced policy of PRICE GOUGING like so many other vendors do.

That's part of the reason there's a waiting list....

----- Original Message -----
From: William R. Mattil
To: ap-gto@...
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC


Jerry Lodriguss wrote:
> 15K for that mount?
>
> You are going to be sadly disappointed.
>
> Meade sells their big mount for that $30K, surely an AP mount must be
> worth, I would guess, 2-3 times that much.
>
> The Takahashi EM-2500 Temma-2 Mount with a 155 lb. load capacity is $46K.
>
> If you base it solely on the relationship between the mount number
> and the price of a fully equipped mount (counterweights, dovetail,
> etc)... AP900 is about 9K, AP1200 about 12K, then the price would be
> about 36K for the 3600 mount... I'm betting more.
>
> Let's get up a pool and maybe Roland will give a free one as a prize
> to the one who guesses correctly!
>
>
>
Jerry,

It's entirely likely that the AP3600 is/was meant to provide those AP
Customers a mount that is equal to or surpasses the Bisque mount. And
from the looks of they have indeed done exactly that. So in that light
$15K would be about right.

The Meade mount at any price is still a Meade :( Besides ..... didn't
that price include the optical tube ?

Marj: Put me on the list. I'll take one <g>

Regards

Bill

--

William R. Mattil : http://www.celestial-images.com


Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

William R. Mattil <wrmattil@...>
 

Jerry Lodriguss wrote:
15K for that mount?

You are going to be sadly disappointed.

Meade sells their big mount for that $30K, surely an AP mount must be worth, I would guess, 2-3 times that much.

The Takahashi EM-2500 Temma-2 Mount with a 155 lb. load capacity is $46K.

If you base it solely on the relationship between the mount number and the price of a fully equipped mount (counterweights, dovetail, etc)... AP900 is about 9K, AP1200 about 12K, then the price would be about 36K for the 3600 mount... I'm betting more.

Let's get up a pool and maybe Roland will give a free one as a prize to the one who guesses correctly!


Jerry,

It's entirely likely that the AP3600 is/was meant to provide those AP Customers a mount that is equal to or surpasses the Bisque mount. And from the looks of they have indeed done exactly that. So in that light $15K would be about right.

The Meade mount at any price is still a Meade :( Besides ..... didn't that price include the optical tube ?

Marj: Put me on the list. I'll take one <g>



Regards

Bill

--

William R. Mattil : http://www.celestial-images.com


Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

ayiomamitis
 

Marj,

Any possibility of a package deal ... AP3600 + pier + counterweights?
I realize the last bit (counterweights) is a bit of an unknown since
most people will have differing needs but, given the capacity of the
mount, I think we can all guestimate the amount of counterweightage
needed.

This looks like one sweet mount ... and so is the pricing!!!!

Anthony.

--- In ap-gto@..., "Marj" <marj@...> wrote:

Looks like it will come in between $19-20K, depending on the final
configuration and number of mounts we produce in a run (the more
mounts, the better the break on the material and the setup costs are
spread out).


Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com
Please include this e-mail with your response.

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]On
Behalf Of uthin8er
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:17 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC



--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups. <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> com,
"Marj" <marj@> wrote:

Hi all,

Roland kept our secret (barely) <g>. He was bursting at the seams.

We are so excited to introduce our HUGE new GTO mount, which we have
nicknamed - El Capitan. How fittting that we introduce it with
Yosemite so near to San Jose (well, compared to IL).

Check the information on our website for details and see how it
dwarfs teh 1200GTO.
http://www.astro-
<http://www.astro-physics.com/products/mounts/3600gto/3600gto.htm>
physics.com/products/mounts/3600gto/3600gto.htm

I am preparing some photos that will be posted on our events page
this afternoon.......

Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com
Please include this e-mail with your response.


Marj, that is HUGE! All the talk in another forum is, "How much $$"
I'm betting 15K for the mount alone.
Roland is still keeping that a secret, huh?









Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

Rich N <rnapo@...>
 

It sounds reasonable. But, I think I hear a lot of puckering going
on out there. :-)

Rich

Looks like it will come in between $19-20K, depending on the final configuration and number of mounts we produce in a run (the more mounts, the better the break on the material and the setup costs are spread out).


Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com
Please include this e-mail with your response.

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]On Behalf Of uthin8er
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:17 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups. <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Marj" <marj@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Roland kept our secret (barely) <g>. He was bursting at the seams.
>
> We are so excited to introduce our HUGE new GTO mount, which we have
nicknamed - El Capitan. How fittting that we introduce it with
Yosemite so near to San Jose (well, compared to IL).
>
> Check the information on our website for details and see how it
dwarfs teh 1200GTO.
> http://www.astro- <http://www.astro-physics.com/products/mounts/3600gto/3600gto.htm> physics.com/products/mounts/3600gto/3600gto.htm
>
> I am preparing some photos that will be posted on our events page
this afternoon.......
>
> Marj Christen
> Astro-Physics, Inc
> 11250 Forest Hills Road
> Machesney Park, IL 61115
> Phone: 815-282-1513
> Fax: 815-282-9847
> www.astro-physics.com
> Please include this e-mail with your response.
>
>
>
Marj, that is HUGE! All the talk in another forum is, "How much $$"
I'm betting 15K for the mount alone.
Roland is still keeping that a secret, huh?


Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

Dean S
 

It better be a whole bunch more than the 1200 I just ordered today!

Dean

PS, Marj hurry :))))

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marj" <marj@...>
To: <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:07 PM
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC


Jerry,

You will be pleasantly surprised.......


Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com
Please include this e-mail with your response.

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]On Behalf Of Jerry Lodriguss
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 4:38 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC



At 04:16 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
Marj, that is HUGE! All the talk in another forum is, "How much $$"
I'm betting 15K for the mount alone.
Roland is still keeping that a secret, huh?
15K for that mount?

You are going to be sadly disappointed.

Meade sells their big mount for that $30K, surely an AP mount must be
worth, I would guess, 2-3 times that much.

The Takahashi EM-2500 Temma-2 Mount with a 155 lb. load capacity is $46K.

If you base it solely on the relationship between the mount number
and the price of a fully equipped mount (counterweights, dovetail,
etc)... AP900 is about 9K, AP1200 about 12K, then the price would be
about 36K for the 3600 mount... I'm betting more.

Let's get up a pool and maybe Roland will give a free one as a prize
to the one who guesses correctly!

:-)

Jerry










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Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC

 

Jerry,

You will be pleasantly surprised.......


Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com
Please include this e-mail with your response.

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]On Behalf Of Jerry Lodriguss
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 4:38 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: 3600GTO - El Capitan unveiled at AIC



At 04:16 PM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
Marj, that is HUGE! All the talk in another forum is, "How much $$"
I'm betting 15K for the mount alone.
Roland is still keeping that a secret, huh?
15K for that mount?

You are going to be sadly disappointed.

Meade sells their big mount for that $30K, surely an AP mount must be
worth, I would guess, 2-3 times that much.

The Takahashi EM-2500 Temma-2 Mount with a 155 lb. load capacity is $46K.

If you base it solely on the relationship between the mount number
and the price of a fully equipped mount (counterweights, dovetail,
etc)... AP900 is about 9K, AP1200 about 12K, then the price would be
about 36K for the 3600 mount... I'm betting more.

Let's get up a pool and maybe Roland will give a free one as a prize
to the one who guesses correctly!

:-)

Jerry