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Re: NEW El Capitan 3600GTO

Richard Crisp
 

looks really nice to me!

One thought though: for a really big "observatory scope" it would seem to be advantageous to have a fork mount: no meridian swap needed

I wonder if there will ultimately be a fork version offered as Mathis Inst does for their truly huge mounts?



Jeff Young <jey@...> wrote:
Gulp. What size pier is that on? 12"?

-- Jeff.


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From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On
Behalf Of Dean S
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:11 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] NEW El Capitan 3600GTO



New big daddy mount!!!!!!

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Re: NEW El Capitan 3600GTO

Joe Mize
 

Woof!!! What a Monster...joe :)

"May You Go Among The Imperishable Stars"

Joe Mize
StarFields Observatory http://www.cav-sfo.com/
Chiefland, FL 29:24'33.4"N 82:51'37.7"W

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New big daddy mount!!!!!!

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Re: NEW El Capitan 3600GTO

Jeff Young <jey@...>
 

Gulp. What size pier is that on? 12"?

-- Jeff.



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From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On
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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:11 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] NEW El Capitan 3600GTO



New big daddy mount!!!!!!

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Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

Alan Voetsch <alanv12952@...>
 

Way to go Dean. I just checked the tracking on mine. Instead of Monday dlivery, it is
supposed to arrive this morning. About 6 weeks after placing the initial order.

Alan

--- Dean S <dean@...> wrote:

Thanks all for the replies and opinions.

I just placed my order for the 1200 :))))))

Astrophotography: http://www.pbase.com/avoetsch12952


NEW El Capitan 3600GTO

Dean S
 

New big daddy mount!!!!!!

http://www.astro-physics.com/


Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

Dean S
 

Thanks all for the replies and opinions.

I just placed my order for the 1200 :)))))) My reasoning is...........

It will be in the observatory most of the time.

Star Parties about 6x a year for minimum 3 nights per will be worth the
effort.

It only weighs about 14lb more than my current mount.

The pier actually breaks down easier than my current.

And the lower PE is very important to me as my local seeing is bad, so I am
assuming I will have less guiding issues.

And I will pretty much be unlimited when it comes to what scopes are in my
future:)

Thanks,
Dean

I'm starting my work out program first thing in the morning too.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Kinsey" <richard.kinsey@...>
To: <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 4:02 AM
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?


Dean, having had an AP900 and upgraded to an AP1200, I would say
that, other than load capacity, the AP900 performed equally as well
as the AP12oo. Obviously the PE is better on the AP1200, but after
using PEMPro the PE on my AP900 was down to 1.5 arc secs with PEC, so
very close to that of an AP1200. To be perfectly honest, while I
wouldn't have thought twice about taking my AP900 to a star party, I
do think twice about taking the AP1200. The additional size of the
mount and pier makes quite a difference when packing the car along
with all my camping gear. However, as my mount is in an observatory
90% of the time, I am very happy with my decision to upgrade. If you
do plan to take the mount to star parties on a regular basis, I think
you need to ask yourself whether you need the extra load capacity
because in every other respect an AP900 wil serve you equally well.
Hope that helps, Richard.

--- In ap-gto@..., "Dean S" <dean@...> wrote:

I am on the list for a 900GTO which should come up next run the
first of '08. But 1200's are available now I see.

I have an observatory with permanant pier, but I also go to several
star parties a year, is there really much of a difference in handling
the componets between these? I don't really need the extra capacity,
now at least, however the lower PE would always be a benefit. My
main reason for an AP mount is to be able to go well past the
meridian during an imaging session.

My current mount weighs 36 & 28 lbs, the 1200 is 50 & 31 lbs. Not
really that much difference. I would have to upgrade piers which
might add some weight too.

Hmmm, just trying to see if I can talk myself into more mount than
I really need.

Dean
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Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

Wiggins, Rick
 

Hi Bill,
I have found that putting an AP 155 with extension, field flattener,
and STL11k under the FSQ will mitigate the balancing issue! It may
create some economic issues however.
Thanks, Rick

--- In ap-gto@..., "William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@...>
wrote:

ayiomamitis wrote:
Dean,

I have also loaded my Tak FSQ on the AP1200GTO and there is
indeed a
small problem with the balancing but it is not permanent. I
picked up
a 10-lb counterweight and now everything is fine.


Anthony,

Might it be that you have an older AP1200 ? Because I can assure
you
that with my FSQ on my AP1200 it doesn't balance. The OTA is *not*
heavy
enough. My AP1200 has the longer CW shaft and this contributes to
this..... I won't say problem because something like this we
should all
suffer from :)

The shorter CW Shaft from the AP900 will let it balance.


Bill

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Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

Jeff Young <jey@...>
 

Nah, the 1200 will just move to being my portable mount.

(Kidding.)

-- Jeff.


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From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On
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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:33 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?



If there was a big daddy mount announced, how many 1200's would
go up for
sale??? :)

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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

> Jeff Young wrote:
> > Oh, I would be SOOOO happy if there were a "big daddy" mount
> > announcement....
> >
> >
> >
>
> Patience Grasshopper <g>
>
>
> Bill
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Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

Richard Kinsey
 

Dean, having had an AP900 and upgraded to an AP1200, I would say
that, other than load capacity, the AP900 performed equally as well
as the AP12oo. Obviously the PE is better on the AP1200, but after
using PEMPro the PE on my AP900 was down to 1.5 arc secs with PEC, so
very close to that of an AP1200. To be perfectly honest, while I
wouldn't have thought twice about taking my AP900 to a star party, I
do think twice about taking the AP1200. The additional size of the
mount and pier makes quite a difference when packing the car along
with all my camping gear. However, as my mount is in an observatory
90% of the time, I am very happy with my decision to upgrade. If you
do plan to take the mount to star parties on a regular basis, I think
you need to ask yourself whether you need the extra load capacity
because in every other respect an AP900 wil serve you equally well.
Hope that helps, Richard.

--- In ap-gto@..., "Dean S" <dean@...> wrote:

I am on the list for a 900GTO which should come up next run the
first of '08. But 1200's are available now I see.

I have an observatory with permanant pier, but I also go to several
star parties a year, is there really much of a difference in handling
the componets between these? I don't really need the extra capacity,
now at least, however the lower PE would always be a benefit. My
main reason for an AP mount is to be able to go well past the
meridian during an imaging session.

My current mount weighs 36 & 28 lbs, the 1200 is 50 & 31 lbs. Not
really that much difference. I would have to upgrade piers which
might add some weight too.

Hmmm, just trying to see if I can talk myself into more mount than
I really need.

Dean
www.doghouseastronomy.com



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Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

John Gleason
 

Software Bisque has been hinting about a big Paramount for the last few years, maybe it will appear. There is also that new Chronos mount with harmonic drive that will be shown at AIC. I guess we'll see what shows up tomorrow morning.

jg

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Young <jey@...>
Sent: Oct 25, 2007 11:51 AM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

Oh, I would be SOOOO happy if there were a "big daddy" mount
announcement....

-- Jeff.



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From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On
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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:47 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?



Dean S wrote:
> Well Mr. Bill, please do tell, spill your guts, etc. Inquiring
minds need
> to know:)
>
>
>
>
>
Let's wait until after AIC <g>

Bill

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Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

Dean S
 

If there was a big daddy mount announced, how many 1200's would go up for
sale??? :)

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To: <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?


Jeff Young wrote:
Oh, I would be SOOOO happy if there were a "big daddy" mount
announcement....


Patience Grasshopper <g>


Bill


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Re: Spies wanted!

Herb York
 

Locked and loaded
<g>
Herb
ATWB

----- Original Message -----
From: ayiomamitis
To: ap-gto@...
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:31 PM
Subject: [ap-gto] Spies wanted!


Folks,

At the risk of stating the obvious, it would be very much appreciated
by us poor slobs overseas not being able to attend the AIC conference
and where "Rolando and the boys" will be showing off new "prototypes".
As a result, I kindly request from all kind spies (and friends) out
there to do us a favour and post information as it becomes visually
available ... with photos too please!

Anthony.





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Spies wanted!

ayiomamitis
 

Folks,

At the risk of stating the obvious, it would be very much appreciated
by us poor slobs overseas not being able to attend the AIC conference
and where "Rolando and the boys" will be showing off new "prototypes".
As a result, I kindly request from all kind spies (and friends) out
there to do us a favour and post information as it becomes visually
available ... with photos too please!

Anthony.


Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

ayiomamitis
 

--- In ap-gto@..., "William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@...> wrote:

Dean S wrote:
Well Mr. Bill, please do tell, spill your guts, etc. Inquiring
minds need
to know:)

Let's wait until after AIC <g>
During is just fine .... as in tomorrow!!!

Anthony.



Bill

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Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

ayiomamitis
 

--- In ap-gto@..., "William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@...> wrote:

ayiomamitis wrote:
My reference to difference was in reference to $$$$$ ... there is
roughly a difference of about $1000 or roughly 10% .... as a result,
may as well spend the "extra" 10% and get something with more than two
times the carrying capacity and which of course is the flagship mount
for both AP and all GEM's available to amateurs.


Don't be too certain of this last point :) My crystal ball indicates
otherwise.
I is all ears. :-)

Anthony.



Regards

Bill

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Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

ayiomamitis
 

--- In ap-gto@..., "William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@...> wrote:

ayiomamitis wrote:
Dean,

I have also loaded my Tak FSQ on the AP1200GTO and there is indeed a
small problem with the balancing but it is not permanent. I picked up
a 10-lb counterweight and now everything is fine.


Anthony,
Hi Bill,


Might it be that you have an older AP1200 ? Because I can assure you
It is from last year's production run and which I received during the
summer. It is the latest version.

that with my FSQ on my AP1200 it doesn't balance. The OTA is *not*
heavy

I agree that the OTA does not balance enough and I do have the
mounting plate a little further up along the saddle plate but I *** DO
*** reach balance with my FSQ+ST-2000XM.

enough. My AP1200 has the longer CW shaft and this contributes to
this..... I won't say problem because something like this we should all
suffer from :)
I also have the standard (longer) CW shaft.


The shorter CW Shaft from the AP900 will let it balance.
I tried using one of my 18-lb counterweights but there was no way it
would balance. Along with my Mach1GTO I purposely picked up a 10-lb
counterweight specifically for the FSQ-AP1200GTO and everything now is
fine.

Anthony.



Bill

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Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

ayiomamitis
 

--- In ap-gto@..., "Joseph Zeglinski" <J.Zeglinski@...> wrote:

Hi Anthony,

I fully agree - when I was buying my AP900, I faced the same
dillema. You
get ever so much more mount for such a trivial increase in cost. If
I had an
observatory far outside the suburbs, with occasional travelling, the
choice of
an AP1200 would have been an easy one. Don't know if I would want to
haul an
AP1200 on an air flight or cruise, though.
Yes, and this is where my Mach1GTO comes into play. My rationale is
that I can have the Mach1GTO for excursions to other countries (ex.
solar eclipses) and also have a very portable mount for frequent local
excursions. As a result, the 1200GTO can do its work uninterrupted at
home whereas the Mach1GTO will be doing the "gopher" work. :-)

As I noted earlier, I will be after another AP mount over the next
year or so and it will certainly be another AP1200GTO. I may have
waited six years to get my AP160 whereas the wait was only 2.5 years
for the AP1200GTO but I can assure you I cherish each of them the same.

Anthony.


Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

William R. Mattil <wrmattil@...>
 

Jeff Young wrote:
Oh, I would be SOOOO happy if there were a "big daddy" mount
announcement....

Patience Grasshopper <g>


Bill


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Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

Jeff Young <jey@...>
 

Oh, I would be SOOOO happy if there were a "big daddy" mount
announcement....

-- Jeff.



________________________________

From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...] On
Behalf Of William R. Mattil
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:47 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?



Dean S wrote:
> Well Mr. Bill, please do tell, spill your guts, etc. Inquiring
minds need
> to know:)
>
>
>
>
>
Let's wait until after AIC <g>

Bill

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<http://www.celestial-images.com>


Re: 1200GTO as a portable mount?

William R. Mattil <wrmattil@...>
 

Dean S wrote:
Well Mr. Bill, please do tell, spill your guts, etc. Inquiring minds need
to know:)



Let's wait until after AIC <g>


Bill

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