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Re: AP900 cases

Joe Zeglinski
 

Thanks Paul

One of my other reasons for choosing an AP900, was that it could be
separated into RA and DEC sections, and each one would be lighter than the
full Losmandy G11 mount. As the years go on, it is harder to lift & carry such
items in the field, and a heavy case would negate that benefit. Also, I would
prefer a more sculpted or roto-moulded case, rather than the Spartan sharp
looking edges and latches, I see on the Company 7 case or the Scopeguard
version. Those are certainly very well engineered cases, inside and out, but I
prefer something like a Pelican. Even those rise quickly in weight with almost
an insignificant increase in internal volume.
"
I like Doug Forehand's Thermodyne cases" (at group's FILES section), for
his AP1200. Well padded, with tougher resilient formed foam sections. The
really unique feature of that product is that the ribs on the case top &
bottom are complementary - you can stack and tie down two cases, and the ribs
on the bottom of one, lock into spaces on the top of the other. That prevents
them sliding apart, when you transport them. However, I think I saw some
negative comments on them about their own ruggedness - (hinges perhaps?). The
main problem of the Thermodyne, perhaps, is that they don't have wheels and a
tow handle, a real back breaker, unlike the larger Pelicans (#1620 to #1650).

By the way, which case is that behind Rolando, for the Mach1, on the AP
group webpage - Pelican? And, is that an AP product?

Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Gustafson" <laservet@...>
To: <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: AP900 cases


"Joseph Zeglinski" <J.Zeglinski@...> wrote:
Wish AP made well designed, and airline
guerrilla drop tested, foamed cases
for their mounts.
Company 7 makes some very nice ATA cases. There are some pictures of my
900 cases in the files section:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ap-gto/files/AP900Cases/

They use different density foam in different areas, velour lined, and
are stout enough that you can slap a shipping label on the outside and
ship them as is. The only drawback is the weight.

Paul Gustafson


Re: AP900 cases

Paul Gustafson
 

"Joseph Zeglinski" <J.Zeglinski@...> wrote:
Wish AP made well designed, and airline
guerrilla drop tested, foamed cases
for their mounts.
Company 7 makes some very nice ATA cases. There are some pictures of my
900 cases in the files section:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ap-gto/files/AP900Cases/

They use different density foam in different areas, velour lined, and
are stout enough that you can slap a shipping label on the outside and
ship them as is. The only drawback is the weight.

Paul Gustafson


Re: AP900 yellow light

ayiomamitis
 

--- In ap-gto@..., chris1011@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/18/2007 8:21:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
J.Zeglinski@... writes:


Wish AP made well designed, and airline guerrilla drop tested,
foamed cases

for their mounts.
We not only pack the mounts properly so they do not get damaged, we
also have
available airline cases that can transport them safely. The original
post was
about used mount getting damaged when the original customer does not
pack the
mount properly, not about any deficiency about AP packing the mounts.
I can certainly vouch for how well all AP equipment is packed prior to
its departure from the AP premises. I have an AP160, an AP1200GTO and
an AP Mach1GTO (yes, I is in heaven! :-) ) which made various
intermediate stops stateside and then overseas. Everything arrived in
PRISTINE condition and worked literally straight out of the box.

Whoever does the packing at AP does a thorough job!

Anthony.


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Re: AP1200 PE/PEMPro Query

Richard Kinsey
 

Hi Ray, one question please. Having checked all the settings in
PEMPro and the ASCOM settings, I discovered that the "PEM Playback"
check-box in the ASCOM settings was checked. Would this setting
override the PEC enable/disable options in PEMPro and the PEC
settings within the AP hand-controller? I have downloaded the PEC
data from the mount, which provides a PE curve of 2.2 arc secs peak
to peak. What I still cannot understand is why the PE was higher with
PEC enabled. I think that I will wait for a very steady night and
record it again.
Thanks, Richard
--- In ap-gto@..., "Ray Gralak" <rgr@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

Just to be clear... you are using PEMPro only to measure the PE,
correct?

If so, it may just be that was loaded into the mount needs to be
inverted.
Just use PEMPro to download the original curve and save it to a
file for
future reference. Then while still in PEMPro invert the curve you
just
downloaded from the mount and upload it back to the mount. Then
measure the
PE again with PEM on.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
On Behalf Of Richard Kinsey
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:39 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] AP1200 PE/PEMPro Query

I have recently taken delivery of a new AP1200 and just run
PEMPro to
have a look at the PE curve. I have run PEMPro several times with
PEC
disabled and recorded between 4 and 6 worm cycles each time. The
results have produced PE curves showing 1.37, 1.6 and 1.1 arc
secs peak
to peak. On the basis that PEC is pre-programmed on the
AP1200, I then
ran PEMPro with PEC enabled and obtained a curve showing 3.2 arc
secs
peak to peak. Obviously the results look as they should be the
other
way around and I am wondering whether the pre-programmed PEC
operates
with PEC turned off? If not, with PE of just over 1 arc sec
without
PEC, I must have the best mount on the planet!

Thanks in advance, Richard





Re: AP1200 PE/PEMPro Query

Roland Christen
 

In a message dated 10/19/2007 9:12:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
richard.kinsey@... writes:


Hi Ray, one question please. Having checked all the settings in
PEMPro and the ASCOM settings, I discovered that the "PEM Playback"
check-box in the ASCOM settings was checked. Would this setting
override the PEC enable/disable options in PEMPro and the PEC
settings within the AP hand-controller?
The way the servo works is that it will do whatever it is commanded from
whatever source. If the keypad is set to PEM off, this is a one time command that
is given at startup. This command is not sent over and over during the
operation of the mount. No command is sent more than once from the keypad or from any
other source. Therefore, if a command from any source is sent to turn PEM ON,
then that is the command that is acted on in the servo - i.e. it is always
the last command sent to the servo that is acted on. This is true of all
commands sent to the servo. If no commands are sent, then all is quiet on the
communication lines.

This is contrary to how other mount systems (like the Meade LX200) work. In
the Meade system they use a distributed computing concept that continuously
sends software traffic at megabit rates back and forth between central mother
board, motor controllers and keypad, so that all these components always talk to
each other, and all must be in perfect synchrony in order for the system to
work. This has both strengths and weaknesses. In our system, only the servo
components inside the CP1,2,3 box continuously talk to each other, and all outside
peripherals are treated as independent entities. Therefore all peripherals,
including the keypad are silent unless you, the user, activates them. And then
the communication is always only one way - toward the servo. The servo does
not initiate communication with any outside peripheral. It does not send any
info to any peripheral ON ITS OWN for any reason. It will send info out to a
peripheral if asked for the info by that peripheral.

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Re: AP900 cases

Kent Kirkley
 

In a message dated 10/19/07 10:17:12 AM, J.Zeglinski@... writes:



    One of my other reasons for choosing an AP900, was that it could be
separated into RA and DEC sections, and each one would be lighter than the
full Losmandy G11 mount. As the years go on, it is harder to lift & carry
such
items in the field, and a heavy case would negate that benefit.

Good point.........

In my previous post about using Sterilite containers for mount cases, I
didn't mention that when empty, they weigh almost nothing. With the poly foam liner
they might weigh 1-2 lbs.

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Re: AP1200 PE/PEMPro Query

Roland Christen
 

In a message dated 10/19/2007 2:52:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
richard.kinsey@... writes:


Rolando, many thanks for your message and advice. Can I please ask
thay you clarify one point. Am I right in assuming that the factory
installed lab PEC data only play's when PEC is enabled via the hand-
controller or PEMPro? If so, it would appear that the PE of the mount
is only 1.5 arc secs peak to peak without PEC, which is obviously
excellent. That being the case, is PEC likely to improve on that?
The factory curve only plays when you turn PEM to Playback in the keypad
tools section. Otherwise it just sits in memory and is not active.

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Re: AP900 cases

Kent Kirkley
 

In a message dated 10/19/07 9:20:25 AM, laservet@... writes:


Company 7 makes some very nice ATA cases. There are some pictures of my
900 cases in the files section:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ap-gto/files/AP900Cases/

They use different density foam in different areas, velour lined, and
are stout enough that you can slap a shipping label on the outside and
ship them as is. The only drawback is the weight.

Paul Gustafson
A question and a suggestion:

Yes, ATA, Scopeguard and etc. type case are wonderful..........but expensive.

So, I have to ask, what is the intended use of your mount and therefore the
cases: ie.
Do you intend to be shipping the mount/cases or checking them on an airline?
If so, then the ATA type case is the only way to go.

However, if you only want the cases for storage or transporting the mount to
your observing site in your car or van then there are other, less expensive,
solutions. I currently use two white "Sterilite" containers for my AP1200GTO
mount. Sterilite containers are somewhat similiar to Rubbermaid 'tubs' but are
of a harder more rigid plastic. They come in various colors and graduated sizes
and have flat, snap on lids. I have one case for the RA component and one
case for the DEC component with saddle and ring unmounted ring set. I simply
lined the inside of each Sterilite container with 1 inch think high density poly
foam (dark gray). The RA and DEC sections just sit in each container and the
lit snaps on. The lids are made in such a way that the containers stack
nicely, which is how I have them my van during transport. The best thing is that
each container costs only something like $12.00-$15.00.
The poly foam will add something like $5-10.......so you get two cases for a
total of something like$35-40. I've been using mine for 6 or more years for
monthly dark site and star party trips and my mount doesn't have a scratch on
it. You can find Sterilit containers at places like The Contaner Store,
sometimes Walmart, Dollar General, Target, etc.

Kent Kirkley



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Re: AP900 yellow light

Roland Christen
 

In a message dated 10/18/2007 11:15:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
J.Zeglinski@... writes:


That was not at all what I intended. My AP900 arrived quite well packed.
However, I can't use the original cardboard box in the field forever, so I
am
considering what will be the best pair of cases for it.
We would recomend Scope Guard cases for your mount. They have a case for each
of our mounts, and they are rugged and airline transportable.

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Re: AP1200 PE/PEMPro Query

Richard Kinsey
 

Rolando, many thanks for your message and advice. Can I please ask
thay you clarify one point. Am I right in assuming that the factory
installed lab PEC data only play's when PEC is enabled via the hand-
controller or PEMPro? If so, it would appear that the PE of the mount
is only 1.5 arc secs peak to peak without PEC, which is obviously
excellent. That being the case, is PEC likely to improve on that?

Thanks in advance, Richard


--- In ap-gto@..., chris1011@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/18/2007 6:34:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
richard.kinsey@... writes:


Hi Ray, yes, I have only been using PEMPro to record the PE. I
haven't downloaded any information to the mount, so the original
PEC
data should be retained. I will do as you suggest, but can you
please
explain how I can downlaod the PEC data from the mount and invert
it?
Many thanks, Richard
Inverting the PEM data will not work. The data was taken with lab
equipment
and then downloaded to the memory. The mount was then run again to
insure that
the periodic error was reduced and a record of both before and
after was
taken. The data in the mount is correctly loaded and should not be
inverted. If you
want to save this data to your computer, you can do so with PemPro
and store
it on your laptop. You can make a new curve using PemPro on the
night sky,
taking several cycles of PE, smooth it and download it to your PE
memory in the
servo. If this works better than the original, then use it.

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Re: AP900 yellow light

Joe Zeglinski
 

Sorry, Rolando,

That was not at all what I intended. My AP900 arrived quite well packed.
However, I can't use the original cardboard box in the field forever, so I am
considering what will be the best pair of cases for it.

My point was in no way suggesting any deficiency in the way you pack
mounts for shipment. What I was getting at, is to warn others who design their
own packaging, starting with empty Pelican type cases. Also, I have a concern,
from reading some posts, about having "too little case" for the amount of foam
inside. There has to be a balance - save on the case or foam design, pay later
for mount repairs.

But you mentioned your "airline cases" - I must have missed that item in
the product lists. Is there a specific one for the AP900?

Best regards,
Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: <chris1011@...>
To: <ap-gto@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] Re: AP900 yellow light


In a message dated 10/18/2007 8:21:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
J.Zeglinski@... writes:


Wish AP made well designed, and airline guerrilla drop tested, foamed cases

for their mounts.
We not only pack the mounts properly so they do not get damaged, we also
have
available airline cases that can transport them safely. The original post
was
about used mount getting damaged when the original customer does not pack
the
mount properly, not about any deficiency about AP packing the mounts.

Rolando



Re: Mach 1 review in S&T

Dr. David Toth
 

At 06:57 PM 10/18/2007, Marj wrote:
Harold,

They sure did! The review is excellent!
Congratulations Marj, and I look forward to the expanded production as I wait eagerly for a Mach 1!

Dave


Re: AP1200 PE/PEMPro Query

Richard Kinsey
 

Hi Ray, yes, I have only been using PEMPro to record the PE. I
haven't downloaded any information to the mount, so the original PEC
data should be retained. I will do as you suggest, but can you please
explain how I can downlaod the PEC data from the mount and invert it?
Many thanks, Richard

--- In ap-gto@..., "Ray Gralak" <rgr@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

Just to be clear... you are using PEMPro only to measure the PE,
correct?

If so, it may just be that was loaded into the mount needs to be
inverted.
Just use PEMPro to download the original curve and save it to a
file for
future reference. Then while still in PEMPro invert the curve you
just
downloaded from the mount and upload it back to the mount. Then
measure the
PE again with PEM on.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
On Behalf Of Richard Kinsey
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:39 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] AP1200 PE/PEMPro Query

I have recently taken delivery of a new AP1200 and just run
PEMPro to
have a look at the PE curve. I have run PEMPro several times with
PEC
disabled and recorded between 4 and 6 worm cycles each time. The
results have produced PE curves showing 1.37, 1.6 and 1.1 arc
secs peak
to peak. On the basis that PEC is pre-programmed on the
AP1200, I then
ran PEMPro with PEC enabled and obtained a curve showing 3.2 arc
secs
peak to peak. Obviously the results look as they should be the
other
way around and I am wondering whether the pre-programmed PEC
operates
with PEC turned off? If not, with PE of just over 1 arc sec
without
PEC, I must have the best mount on the planet!

Thanks in advance, Richard





Re: Pempro V2 trial version.

Ray Gralak <rgr@...>
 

BTW, here is the help for the final programming step (same as the help
included with the application):

http://www.siriusimaging.com/Help/PEMProAP/ProgramMount.htm

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
On Behalf Of Ray Gralak
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:56 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: RE: [ap-gto] Re: Pempro V2 trial version.

Hi Dean,

If the PE gets worse after uploading the curve try inverting
the curve and
uploading it to the mount.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@...
<mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:ap-gto@... <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Dean Salman
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM
To: ap-gto@... <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Pempro V2 trial version.

I am having trouble getting Pempro2 working the way it
should, maybe I
am just not sure how to use it. It seems a lot worst when I
turn it on
after running through the process. But with it off, I have
about 3 arc
seconds of error, is it even needed with that kind of error.

--- In ap-gto@... <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> , "Richard Kinsey"
<richard.kinsey@...>
wrote:

Ray, having recently taken delivery of a new AP1200, I have just
installed the trial version of Pempro V2 included with
the mount on
my
computer. When I tried to start the software I received an error
message saying the evaluation period is over. Do I need a
key number
for the trial version? Thanks, Richard







Re: Mach 1 review in S&T

masterson_harold <hfm5022@...>
 

Congratulations on the review. Nobody on this forum is going to be
surprised. SOP for AP.

Harold

--- In ap-gto@..., "Marj" <marj@...> wrote:

Harold,

They sure did! The review is excellent! Dennis di Cicco has been
using the Mach1GTO since late 2006 (the mount was from the first
production run). You may recall that he reviewed the TeleVue-NP127is
in July 2007 and the Apogee Instruments Alta U9000 camera in June. He
evaluated all three products at the same time, then wrote separate
reviews for each one. In the article, Dennis stated: "The fact that
the mount proved so unobtrusive as I busied myself otherwise, is, in
my opinion, one of its greatest qualities - especially since its
setup had been so easy." Although he did not state it in the article,
Dennis has decided to purchase the mount that we had loaned him. He
will replace one of our older model 400 mounts that he has had for
many years.

We have Mach1GTO mounts in production now and will start notifying
in November. The current list goes back to August of 2004 (the
original 400GTO and 600EGTO lists were combined). We'll also plan
another run soon after. Since we have recently expanded our machining
department to have four lathes and three mills, we should be able to
shorten up the time it takes to produce all mechanical parts. Our
most recent lathe was just delivered two weeks ago and the most
recent mill was installed a couple of months ago.

Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com
Please include this e-mail with your response.

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Behalf Of masterson_harold
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:55 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Mach 1 review in S&T



Not having seen the review, but based on my experience with a 900,
I
will take a wild guess. They liked it.

Harold

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups. <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> com,
chris1011@ wrote:

Hi All,

Just to let you know, the long awaited review of the Mach1 mount
has just
been published in the December issue of S&T. Run out and grab a
copy today (and
get in line for a mount while ye're at it ;>))

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Re: Mach 1 review in S&T

 

Harold,

They sure did! The review is excellent! Dennis di Cicco has been using the Mach1GTO since late 2006 (the mount was from the first production run). You may recall that he reviewed the TeleVue-NP127is in July 2007 and the Apogee Instruments Alta U9000 camera in June. He evaluated all three products at the same time, then wrote separate reviews for each one. In the article, Dennis stated: "The fact that the mount proved so unobtrusive as I busied myself otherwise, is, in my opinion, one of its greatest qualities - especially since its setup had been so easy." Although he did not state it in the article, Dennis has decided to purchase the mount that we had loaned him. He will replace one of our older model 400 mounts that he has had for many years.

We have Mach1GTO mounts in production now and will start notifying in November. The current list goes back to August of 2004 (the original 400GTO and 600EGTO lists were combined). We'll also plan another run soon after. Since we have recently expanded our machining department to have four lathes and three mills, we should be able to shorten up the time it takes to produce all mechanical parts. Our most recent lathe was just delivered two weeks ago and the most recent mill was installed a couple of months ago.

Marj Christen
Astro-Physics, Inc
11250 Forest Hills Road
Machesney Park, IL 61115
Phone: 815-282-1513
Fax: 815-282-9847
www.astro-physics.com
Please include this e-mail with your response.

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]On Behalf Of masterson_harold
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:55 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Mach 1 review in S&T



Not having seen the review, but based on my experience with a 900, I
will take a wild guess. They liked it.

Harold

--- In ap-gto@yahoogroups. <mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> com, chris1011@... wrote:

Hi All,

Just to let you know, the long awaited review of the Mach1 mount
has just
been published in the December issue of S&T. Run out and grab a
copy today (and
get in line for a mount while ye're at it ;>))

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Re: Pempro V2 trial version.

Ray Gralak <rgr@...>
 

Hi Dean,

If the PE gets worse after uploading the curve try inverting the curve and
uploading it to the mount.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
On Behalf Of Dean Salman
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] Re: Pempro V2 trial version.

I am having trouble getting Pempro2 working the way it
should, maybe I
am just not sure how to use it. It seems a lot worst when I
turn it on
after running through the process. But with it off, I have
about 3 arc
seconds of error, is it even needed with that kind of error.

--- In ap-gto@...
<mailto:ap-gto%40yahoogroups.com> , "Richard Kinsey"
<richard.kinsey@...>
wrote:

Ray, having recently taken delivery of a new AP1200, I have just
installed the trial version of Pempro V2 included with the mount on
my
computer. When I tried to start the software I received an error
message saying the evaluation period is over. Do I need a
key number
for the trial version? Thanks, Richard




Re: AP1200 PE/PEMPro Query

Ray Gralak <rgr@...>
 

Hi Richard,

Just to be clear... you are using PEMPro only to measure the PE, correct?

If so, it may just be that was loaded into the mount needs to be inverted.
Just use PEMPro to download the original curve and save it to a file for
future reference. Then while still in PEMPro invert the curve you just
downloaded from the mount and upload it back to the mount. Then measure the
PE again with PEM on.

-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: ap-gto@... [mailto:ap-gto@...]
On Behalf Of Richard Kinsey
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:39 PM
To: ap-gto@...
Subject: [ap-gto] AP1200 PE/PEMPro Query

I have recently taken delivery of a new AP1200 and just run PEMPro to
have a look at the PE curve. I have run PEMPro several times with PEC
disabled and recorded between 4 and 6 worm cycles each time. The
results have produced PE curves showing 1.37, 1.6 and 1.1 arc
secs peak
to peak. On the basis that PEC is pre-programmed on the
AP1200, I then
ran PEMPro with PEC enabled and obtained a curve showing 3.2 arc secs
peak to peak. Obviously the results look as they should be the other
way around and I am wondering whether the pre-programmed PEC operates
with PEC turned off? If not, with PE of just over 1 arc sec without
PEC, I must have the best mount on the planet!

Thanks in advance, Richard





Re: Mach 1 review in S&T

masterson_harold <hfm5022@...>
 

Not having seen the review, but based on my experience with a 900, I
will take a wild guess. They liked it.

Harold

--- In ap-gto@..., chris1011@... wrote:

Hi All,

Just to let you know, the long awaited review of the Mach1 mount
has just
been published in the December issue of S&T. Run out and grab a
copy today (and
get in line for a mount while ye're at it ;>))

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Re: Pempro V2 trial version.

Dean Salman <cluster@...>
 

I am having trouble getting Pempro2 working the way it should, maybe I
am just not sure how to use it. It seems a lot worst when I turn it on
after running through the process. But with it off, I have about 3 arc
seconds of error, is it even needed with that kind of error.


--- In ap-gto@..., "Richard Kinsey" <richard.kinsey@...>
wrote:

Ray, having recently taken delivery of a new AP1200, I have just
installed the trial version of Pempro V2 included with the mount on
my
computer. When I tried to start the software I received an error
message saying the evaluation period is over. Do I need a key number
for the trial version? Thanks, Richard