locked Re: #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE #APCC


Bill Long
 

Support platesolve 2, support ANSVR, support ASTAP. The point really is that limiting the options to ancient software (SkyX, Maxim, and PinPoint are ancient) and having the only modern option being SGP (which not everyone uses -- Voyager, NINA, CCDCiel, etc are things ya know...) is a slap in the face to people that buy APCC Pro all excited to use the new features only to find out that they need to open their wallet again, not for good reason... 



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Bill,

I hear you and others. I am just trying to assess the accuracy of ASTAP's plate solves.

I don't really care that it is free or not, but others do.

I brought up the point about it being a free *beta* because that could mean it will not be free later, thus defeating the reason
most seem to want support for it.

-Ray Gralak
Author of PEMPro
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:17 PM
> To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
>
> Ray,
>
> I dont "care that its free" but since you went there, I will be more frank. I think Pinpoint is ancient, overpriced, and
> along with everything else the author of that software writes - serves no other purpose than to continually gouge
> customers for no good reason. You need to separate "free" from modern in your mindset here.
>
> Tell ya what. I have some clear skies on Tuesday and will be testing out my new (to me) PL16803 camera on my
> AP 130 GTX. You are welcome to ride shotgun and watch the misery I have to go through when solving. Then I will
> show you how accurate and lightning fast ASTAP is when used to center my objects to the harsh levels I demand
> (10 arc-seconds tolerance).
>
> This isnt the first time you have gone on a trip over the concept of "free". I do support developers well for products I
> think hit the watermark of useful and worth the price of admission in the modern world we exist in. I do not think
> Pinpoint (which is basically just a commercialized ripoff of Astronmetry.net) meets that bar.
>
> -Bill
>
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> From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak <groups3@...>
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:11 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
>
> Dale,
>
> The issue I care about is the accuracy of its plate solves.
>
> The issue you and others seem to most care about, is that it is free!
>
> I would rather have slower, yet more accurate plate solves, so tracking rate modelling will be as accurate as
> possible. Until I can
> run through a set of images to test accuracy I won't know.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of PEMPro
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dale Ghent
> > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 6:54 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] #APCC APCC/APPM blocking issue with AP1100GTOAE
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Ray Gralak <groups3@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Dale,
> > >
> > > I'm not saying this is the case here but surely you must know that open source does not necessarily mean it has
> > to be free, or
> > > remain free?
> >
> > The ASTAP code is licensed under a very tested and common open source license, and the code as it is will
> remain
> > free under the terms of that license. The only way that code could be made non-free is if all contributors to that
> code
> > all voted favorably to change the license to a non-open one. If that happened the code as it was up to that point
> > remains open, as it existed under the open license. Subsequent revisions will continue under the non-open
> license.
> > This still allows someone to fork the codebase prior to the re-licensing and continue developing the software on
> their
> > own, perhaps under a different organization or project, under the original open license. That's just how it works,
> and
> > why I say that the code cannot just disappear.
> >
> > Believe me, Ray, it's not so common and certainly isn't as dire as a lot of people seem to make it out to be. Open
> > source licenses would be pretty weak things if they permitted this stuff and we would not see open source
> > frameworks, libraries, apps and entire operating environments flourish and end up in things from our home router
> to
> > our car infotainment to medical devices if this were a real fear. Another thing that seems to get people confused is
> > having an open source program but charging for support, which is a common model in the open source community
> > that is used to support development.
> >
> > > I was more concerned that this is just a beta and doesn't seem to be able to solve the images I gave to it.
> > >
> > > The purpose for this test is to determine the accuracy of the solutioms.
> >
> > Right, so I don't know what you got from the NASA server exactly so I passed you the list of things that make
> > ASTAP work well. It's designed to be a solver for imagers and so it's really geared towards consuming data that
> > would come from such an environment. Stretched, processed, and whatever else the NASA sky survey server
> > (slowly) regurgitates might not fit the bill in that regard.
> >
> > /dale
> >
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