Re: PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600


Ray Gralak
 

you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes
It may not be just a matter of file size. The problem is a memory allocation failure trying to download and save 3 images in memory.

-Ray Gralak
Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver


-----Original Message-----
From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:42 AM
To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600

Benoit

you could do a quick test now, just take a frame bin1 and a frame bin 2 and look at the file sizes

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:16 AM Benoit Schillings <benoit.schillings@gmail.com> wrote:


Ray, I do have a 6200 you can borrow for a few days.

-- benoit

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:12 AM Ray Gralak <groups3@gralak.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> That was the first thing I suggested to Bill when he contacted me privately via email. Bill later said he tried
that, but it didn't seem to help. That may be a sign that the camera driver may be downloading full images then
binning in software. The reason the limit is being hit is that this is happening on the PEMPro polar alignment step
that requires not one, but three images. When only a single image needs to be allocated (e.g. acquiring periodic
error data) the memory limit shouldn't be hit.
>
> -Ray Gralak
> Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center): https://www.astro-physics.com/apcc-pro
> Author of PEMPro V3: https://www.ccdware.com
> Author of Astro-Physics V2 ASCOM Driver: https://www.siriusimaging.com/apdriver
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Valente
> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:03 AM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Is it possible you can just bin it x2 to reduce file size?
> >
> > short term fix?
> >
> > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:57 AM thefamily90 Phillips <thefamily90@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Bill, please relax and be respectful. Demanding someone do this or that is not a good way to
approach
> > problems especially on an open board like this.
> > If you want to vent your anger I would suggest you send messages privately.
> >
> > Problems can be sometimes difficult to solve but solutions are more easily found when working
together.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jim
> >
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> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of uncarollo2
<chris1011@aol.com> via
> > groups.io <chris1011=aol.com@groups.io>
> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:50:10 AM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > PEMPro is not an Astro-Physics product. We did not develop with the software. I believe it belongs
to
> > another company, no?
> >
> >
> >
> > Rolando
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Sent: Fri, May 8, 2020 1:42 am
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >
> > Roland and Marj: It seems that Ray is not interested in fixing this problem, and would rather blame
> > Microsoft (inappropriately, and incorrectly) for this problem.
> >
> > A-P -- there is a huge problem with the new CMOS full frame cameras that are on the market.
Please help
> > Ray prioritize fixing this issue and do not listen to his false blame on Microsoft, as Microsoft's framework
is not the
> > problem, which is clearly apparent with a multitude of other software programs that work fine with the
large frames
> > produced by the camera.
> >
> > If Ray needs a friend, I would suggest he reaches out to Dale, whome has done a good job in NINA
with
> > supporting the camera, instead of blaming Microsoft.
> >
> > -Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Long <bill@outlook.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:09 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> > Thanks for the history lesson. Fix the software and stop blaming Microsoft.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<groups3@gralak.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM
> > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> >
> >
> > Bitmaps, the class in .Net Framework, is not the same as the low-level bitmaps in windows that I
think you
> > are talking about.
> >
> > And it's not 30 years old... only about 20 years old, which is why the limit was only 1GB.
> >
> > Back then 1GB was an impossible amount of graphics memory for a desktop computer. Not at all
today! :-)
> >
> > -Ray Gralak
> > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
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> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:58 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > The problem IS NOT on the .Net Framework, Ray. The camera works perfectly fine with other
software
> > that uses
> > > the same framework.
> > >
> > > Bitmaps... which PEMPro uses, should be suspect. Why the hell does PEMPro rely on bitmap
tech?
> > Thats like 30
> > > years old man!
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Gralak
<groups3@gralak.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:52 PM
> > > To: main@ap-gto.groups.io <main@ap-gto.groups.io>
> > > Subject: Re: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > The problem is that the .NET framework cannot allocate enough memory with a camera with that
many
> > pixels.
> > >
> > > It could be fixed by Microsoft increasing the .NET Framework GDI+ memory limit above 1GB (not
likely).
> > >
> > > Or, you could use a cheap webcam instead of a 60 megapixel camera.
> > >
> > > -Ray Gralak
> > > Author of APCC (Astro-Physics Command Center):
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> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: main@ap-gto.groups.io [mailto:main@ap-gto.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Long
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:29 PM
> > > > To: ap-ug@groups.io; Astro-Physics GTO Users Group
> > > > Subject: [ap-gto] PEMPro on ASI6200 & QHY600
> > > >
> > > > Is non-functional. The frames even binned 4x4 do not work.
> > > >
> > > > The software is broken and a LOT of people depend on this to work. We need immediate fixes!
> > > >
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