Re: Orthagonality/alignment issues with dual scope setup


If the error is consistent as you indicate, then it's probably
misalignment of the optical and mechanical axes of the C-14. An
alternative approach is to use adjustable tube rings (the kind with
the three adjustment screws) for the AP160. Then you adjust the 160 so
that it's pointing where the C-14 is.

--- In ap-gto@..., "Mark Squicquero" <docsquic@...> wrote:


Thanks for the reply. I think you're right. I haven't quantified
the amount of error but, since shimming, it's small. When the object
is centered in the C-14 FOV (narrow) it is in the outer 1/4 of the
AP160's FOV (wider). It also occurs in all parts of the sky, so it's
not mirror flop related. I was thinking that it could be mechanical
misalignment in the C-14, being a mass produced scope etc. I'll
probably use your solution #2 and live with it. It's more anoying
than anything else.


--- In ap-gto@..., "ebuehrens" <ebuehrens@> wrote:

Hi Mark,

It would be good to know how much misalignment you're seeing, but my
guess is that the issue is not with the mounting hardware, it's in
C-14 - either you are seeing mirror flop (which would produce
inconsistent pointing errors depending on what part of the sky the
scope was pointing to - or (just as likely, I think) the optical and
mechanical axes of the C-14 are not aligned. All it takes for that
happen is for the central pipe on which the moving primary slides to
be slightly out of alignment with the mechanical axis of the OTA. In
that instance the "wedge" you're chasing is actually in the scope.

My advice: determine whether the error is reproducible over all
of the sky, which would favor my hypothesis #2, and then either
machine some clearance in the bolt holes so the cradle can be moved
slightly side-to-side, or (my favorite) just live with it. If you
it sorted out once, I guaranteee that it will go out of whack in the
future. There are just too many sources of mechanical error in the
C-14. Good scope and good value but IMHO the design and mechanicals
are overtaxed at this aperture.

good luck,


--- In ap-gto@..., "Mark Squicquero" <docsquic@>

I mistakenly posted this in the AP-UG group.

Hi all,

I have a general question regarding my current setup:

Ap1200GTO, AP 160, C-14, Robin Casaday tandem mounting system,
Homeyer Cradle on the C-14.

I've just begun to refine this setup and have found that there
slight alignment issues ie the two scopes don't exactly align on
same target. When I calibrate the mount using the Ap 160,
pointing is
superb. I shimmed the C-14 between the Homeyer Cradle and the
mounting plate and it improved the alignment somewhat. ( I
that the AP scope/rings/ Casaday plate were probably pretty
so I focused on the C-14/custom SS plate/Homeyer system). The
shimming consisted of "raising" the back of the cradle. I also
that I had to slightly shim more one side of both the front and
of the cradle. As I mentioned the alignment is improved but not
perfect. If I move the scopes so that one is above the other on
side of the mount, I can move the tandem arrangement in pure dec
slightly to bring the C-14 to target. So it appears the necessary
correction is to diverge the back of the OTA's very slightly by
shimming one side of the C-14.

My question is, how do I accomplish this? The C-14 fits very
in the cradle and there doesn't appear to be any room to shim.
tried loosening the mounting bolts and applying pressure to one
of the cradle and then re-tightening to no avail. My guess is
the custom SS mounting plate, although very sturdy and cool
has some wedge in it. I've read nothing but praise for the
cradle as far as its accuracy and rigidy (which is why I
it), so I don't think that is the source. Any suggestions would
appreciated. If shimming won't work maybe I can try a different
mounting plate.

Mark Squicquero

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