Re: Help with Autoguiding Problem - DEC guide problem
jiprovi
Dave, thanks for sharing your experience as well. I have been in contact with AP (Roland)
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and he believes my DEC issue is most likely a problem associated with my guiding parameters and not the mount itself. This was based upon performing the DEC measurements that AP describes on their Tech Support page. Below is Roland's explanation regarding the DEC issues due to incorrect guiding parameters. I found it so useful, although it is a bit lengthy, I beleive many will find it insightful and useful. James ----------------- I guess I should have included in the instructions to set the button Normal/Reverse so that a North button push caused the star to go North and a south button push would cause a star to move south just so that no doubt would remain about the proper direction that the star moved when you pushed the buttons. In any case, from what I could tell in your description, the star did not move in the wrong direction. Is that correct? If that is correct, then the mount is doing what it's supposed to do. You have a bit of a time delay in the reversal, but normally this would not cause an oscillation of the guide star (I will discuss the time delay below). What will cause an oscillation is a loop gain that is larger than 1. In other words, if the error of the guide star is 1 pixel, then the maximum command that should ever be sent to the mount cannot exceed a button push time that moves the star more than 1 pixel. That said, it is easy to set the parameters wrong so that the loop gain does become larger than 1, and then you will indeed get oscillations because each time the program senses an error it will overcorrect this error. Now I will explain how the parameters can be set wrong. Normally when you do a calibration run, Maxim will send the mount in the two directions for a period of time at the rate that you set and for the time that you set. For instance, you may set it for 0.5x and 5 seconds. Assume that the mount went 50 pixels in RA in that amount of time. The program then calculates that the system motion parameter is 10 (i.e 50 pixels/5 seconds). It then places that number in the parameters. Theoretically, at the celestial equator, the Dec parameter will also be 10. Chances are that the number that is calculated by the program will be lower. This is almost always due to delay time in reversing the motor gearbox in Dec. Let's say it takes 4 seconds to reverse Dec and your programmed cal time is only 5 seconds, then the star will only move for 1 second or 10 pixels. The program then sets this DEC parameter number to 2. The resultant gain in Dec will then be 5 times what it is in RA, and the system will be totally unstable. By the way, RA never has any delay in reversal because the motor never actually reverses, it just slows down and speeds up, but you knew that, yes? So, how to set up the calibration run so that the system gain will be correct and the loop gain never exceeds 1? Very simple, once you understand where the errors are coming from. First, figure out how long it takes for Dec to reverse by counting the seconds it takes at 1x to see star motion in the test you just did. If it takes more than 1 second, then you might want to firm up the worm mesh. If this is tight, check to make sure that the small spur gear is not slipping on the end of the worm. There is a set screw holding this spur and it could conceivably come loose and allow the spur to rotate a small amount before it actually drives the worm itself. You can check all that by removing the motor gearbox cover and examining the gear assembly. If all checks out, then the next thing to do is to run a calibration on a star near the celestial equator. Set the mount up at 1x (never calibrate at any lower setting), add enough backlash compensation in the keypad so that the star comes back all the way to its origin in Dec, and run the cal time for as long as possible to get the longest pixel spread without running it off the edge of the chip. I like to run for at least 10 seconds at 2000mm focal length, more for shorter scopes. This will insure that the parameter numbers are accurate. Once you have made a successful cal run, check the parameter numbers. They should be very similar (the angle between RA and DEC should be close to 90 degrees if the camera was oriented E-W etc). In any cal run near the equator the numbers will always be almost the same, if they are not, then that is an indication that you have set the system up wrong. Once you have a good cal run, remove all backlash compensation in the keypad and do a guiding test. It should guide properly in both axes. One other thing that can cause a guiding problem is the setting in Maxim for Declination. It is best not to set any number in there. Leave it at 0. That way there is no possibility that the loop gain will be higher than 1. If you put any number in there, the program boosts the loop gain artificially and this can cause problems. You can lower the loop gain below 1 by lowering the agressiveness setting. I usually set it to 0.8 or 80%. Try these things and monitor your guiding. By the test you did, there does not seem to be any reason why the mount should overshoot in Dec. Normally the dec drift is always in one direction, and if the loop gain is 1 or less, the star will always be bumped back toward zero and the drive will never actually reverse. There is no reason that the Dec axis will go more than 1 pixel if it gets a 1 pixel command from the camera software. The only reason it would go 2, 3 or 5 pixels is if the loop gain was 2, 3 or 5, which means that the cal numbers are 2, 3 or 5 times lower than they should be. Check them after each cal run. They should never be much different in DEC for any given system focal length. Roland Christen --- In ap-gto@..., "mogulskier_groups" <mogulskier_groups@...> wrote:
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